Author Topic: Catholics go to Hell for Knowingly Denying True Meaning of Defined Dogmas? (Read 1781 times)

Truth is Eternal · « **on:** September 10, 2013, 01:12:16 PM »

I am noticing an alarming number of Catholics who claim to believe defined Dogmas of Holy Mother Church while at the same time refusing to believe the true meaning of these defined Dogmas as the Catholic Church has defined them. Why would any Catholic try to crucify Christ all over again by refusing to believe the true meaning of defined Dogmas as the Catholic Church has defined them?

Do Catholics go to hell for knowingly denying the true meaning of Defined Dogmas as Holy Mother Church has defined them?

MyrnaM · « **Reply #1 on:** September 10, 2013, 05:22:58 PM »

Could be because True meanings are being co-mingled with Vatican II meanings, and good Catholics are relying on the Internet for their Catholic education, instead of doing their own research.

Matto · « **Reply #2 on:** September 10, 2013, 05:27:29 PM »

I hope this thread is not about BOD.

Midas Welby · « **Reply #3 on:** September 10, 2013, 05:36:03 PM »

Coincidentally....
http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=26954&f=9&min=30&num=5

Truth is Eternal · « **Reply #4 on:** September 10, 2013, 07:53:34 PM »

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I hope this thread is not about BOD.

This thread is about all defined dogmas of the one, holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. If you do not deny any dogmas as defined by Holy Mother Church and you are not in the state of Mortal Sin, you are in good standing with The Church.

saintbosco13 · « **Reply #5 on:** September 11, 2013, 07:01:44 AM »

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I am noticing an alarming number of Catholics who claim to believe defined Dogmas of Holy Mother Church while at the same time refusing to believe the true meaning of these defined Dogmas as the Catholic Church has defined them. Why would any Catholic try to crucify Christ all over again by refusing to believe the true meaning of defined Dogmas as the Catholic Church has defined them?

Do Catholics go to hell for knowingly denying the true meaning of Defined Dogmas as Holy Mother Church has defined them?

Can you give some examples?

Truth is Eternal · « **Reply #6 on:** September 11, 2013, 10:33:00 AM »

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I am noticing an alarming number of Catholics who claim to believe defined Dogmas of Holy Mother Church while at the same time refusing to believe the true meaning of these defined Dogmas as the Catholic Church has defined them. Why would any Catholic try to crucify Christ all over again by refusing to believe the true meaning of defined Dogmas as the Catholic Church has defined them?

Do Catholics go to hell for knowingly denying the true meaning of Defined Dogmas as Holy Mother Church has defined them?

Can you give some examples?

http://www.catholicapologetics.info/thechurch/catechism/trentc.htm

saintbosco13 · « **Reply #7 on:** September 11, 2013, 02:33:38 PM »

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I am noticing an alarming number of Catholics who claim to believe defined Dogmas of Holy Mother Church while at the same time refusing to believe the true meaning of these defined Dogmas as the Catholic Church has defined them. Why would any Catholic try to crucify Christ all over again by refusing to believe the true meaning of defined Dogmas as the Catholic Church has defined them?

Do Catholics go to hell for knowingly denying the true meaning of Defined Dogmas as Holy Mother Church has defined them?

Can you give some examples?

http://www.catholicapologetics.info/thechurch/catechism/trentc.htm

I'm asking for examples of what dogmas you see people denying.

Truth is Eternal · « **Reply #8 on:** September 11, 2013, 05:44:44 PM »

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I am noticing an alarming number of Catholics who claim to believe defined Dogmas of Holy Mother Church while at the same time refusing to believe the true meaning of these defined Dogmas as the Catholic Church has defined them. Why would any Catholic try to crucify Christ all over again by refusing to believe the true meaning of defined Dogmas as the Catholic Church has defined them?

Do Catholics go to hell for knowingly denying the true meaning of Defined Dogmas as Holy Mother Church has defined them?

Can you give some examples?

http://www.catholicapologetics.info/thechurch/catechism/trentc.htm

I'm asking for examples of what dogmas you see people denying.

Check the link above.

ThomisticPhilosopher · « **Reply #9 on:** September 11, 2013, 08:10:59 PM »

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I am noticing an alarming number of Catholics who claim to believe defined Dogmas of Holy Mother Church while at the same time refusing to believe the true meaning of these defined Dogmas as the Catholic Church has defined them. Why would any Catholic try to crucify Christ all over again by refusing to believe the true meaning of defined Dogmas as the Catholic Church has defined them?

Do Catholics go to hell for knowingly denying the true meaning of Defined Dogmas as Holy Mother Church has defined them?

Can you give some examples?

http://www.catholicapologetics.info/thechurch/catechism/trentc.htm

I'm asking for examples of what dogmas you see people denying.

Check the link above.

Well all you did was give a general link to the Catechism of the Council of Trent. Give us a more specific quote and example of something that you would term as being doctrinally deviant. For example, "such and such" is being denied by traditional Catholics, in x conservative camp or SSPX etc... I think this is what everyone else is trying to get you to be much more specific so that we can be able to have discussion on whether we would agree or not.

Truth is Eternal · « **Reply #10 on:** September 11, 2013, 09:01:06 PM »

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I am noticing an alarming number of Catholics who claim to believe defined Dogmas of Holy Mother Church while at the same time refusing to believe the true meaning of these defined Dogmas as the Catholic Church has defined them. Why would any Catholic try to crucify Christ all over again by refusing to believe the true meaning of defined Dogmas as the Catholic Church has defined them?

Do Catholics go to hell for knowingly denying the true meaning of Defined Dogmas as Holy Mother Church has defined them?

Can you give some examples?

http://www.catholicapologetics.info/thechurch/catechism/trentc.htm

I'm asking for examples of what dogmas you see people denying.

Check the link above.

Well all you did was give a general link to the Catechism of the Council of Trent. Give us a more specific quote and example of something that you would term as being doctrinally deviant. For example, "such and such" is being denied by traditional Catholics, in x conservative camp or SSPX etc... I think this is what everyone else is trying to get you to be much more specific so that we can be able to have discussion on whether we would agree or not.

Either people believe all Catholic Dogma as defined by Holy Mother Church or they don't.

saintbosco13 · « **Reply #11 on:** September 11, 2013, 09:16:38 PM »

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I am noticing an alarming number of Catholics who claim to believe defined Dogmas of Holy Mother Church while at the same time refusing to believe the true meaning of these defined Dogmas as the Catholic Church has defined them. Why would any Catholic try to crucify Christ all over again by refusing to believe the true meaning of defined Dogmas as the Catholic Church has defined them?

Do Catholics go to hell for knowingly denying the true meaning of Defined Dogmas as Holy Mother Church has defined them?

Can you give some examples?

http://www.catholicapologetics.info/thechurch/catechism/trentc.htm

I'm asking for examples of what dogmas you see people denying.

Check the link above.

Well all you did was give a general link to the Catechism of the Council of Trent. Give us a more specific quote and example of something that you would term as being doctrinally deviant. For example, "such and such" is being denied by traditional Catholics, in x conservative camp or SSPX etc... I think this is what everyone else is trying to get you to be much more specific so that we can be able to have discussion on whether we would agree or not.

Either people believe all Catholic Dogma as defined by Holy Mother Church or they don't.

You started this discussion - why no specifics? Kind of hard for anyone to answer by just looking at a link to the catechism of the Council of Trent.

Truth is Eternal · « **Reply #12 on:** September 12, 2013, 12:15:28 AM »

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I am noticing an alarming number of Catholics who claim to believe defined Dogmas of Holy Mother Church while at the same time refusing to believe the true meaning of these defined Dogmas as the Catholic Church has defined them. Why would any Catholic try to crucify Christ all over again by refusing to believe the true meaning of defined Dogmas as the Catholic Church has defined them?

Do Catholics go to hell for knowingly denying the true meaning of Defined Dogmas as Holy Mother Church has defined them?

Can you give some examples?

http://www.catholicapologetics.info/thechurch/catechism/trentc.htm

I'm asking for examples of what dogmas you see people denying.

Check the link above.

Well all you did was give a general link to the Catechism of the Council of Trent. Give us a more specific quote and example of something that you would term as being doctrinally deviant. For example, "such and such" is being denied by traditional Catholics, in x conservative camp or SSPX etc... I think this is what everyone else is trying to get you to be much more specific so that we can be able to have discussion on whether we would agree or not.

Either people believe all Catholic Dogma as defined by Holy Mother Church or they don't.

You started this discussion - why no specifics? Kind of hard for anyone to answer by just looking at a link to the catechism of the Council of Trent.

Do you believe people go to hell for refusing to believe Catholic Dogma as defined by Holy Mother Church? I am referring to all Dogmas of the Catholic Church . I am not singling out certain Dogmas. My question is a generalization of all Dogmas of Holy Mother Church.

saintbosco13 · « **Reply #13 on:** September 12, 2013, 05:02:00 PM »

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Do you believe people go to hell for refusing to believe Catholic Dogma as defined by Holy Mother Church? I am referring to all Dogmas of the Catholic Church . I am not singling out certain Dogmas. My question is a generalization of all Dogmas of Holy Mother Church.

Do we even need to ask this question? It's a given that if we don't believe in the teachings of the Catholic Church, we are not Catholic.

"A person who denies even one article of our faith could not be a Catholic; for truth is one and we must accept it whole and entire or not at all." - Baltimore Catechism

"Whosoever shall keep the whole law, but offend in one point, is become guilty of all." - St. James 2:10

"To reject but one article of faith taught by the Church is enough to destroy faith as one mortal sin is enough to destroy charity..." - St. Thomas Aquinas

saintbosco13 · « **Reply #14 on:** September 12, 2013, 05:16:42 PM »

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I hope this thread is not about BOD.

This thread is about all defined dogmas of the one, holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. If you do not deny any dogmas as defined by Holy Mother Church and you are not in the state of Mortal Sin, you are in good standing with The Church.

By the way, when you say "defined dogmas", are you referring only to teachings of the Church that were officially decreed? I ask because dogmas of the Church consist of more than just what has been specifically defined by a pope or Council. With that in mind, "defined dogmas" are only a small portion of the overall Church teaching we must believe.