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The CATHOLIC CHURCH excommunicated him for disobedience which was a result of his teaching the dogma in a way contrary to they way the Church understands her own dogma.

Where is the Church docuмent that says that?

How many times do you keep repeating the same things over and over and over? Likely because you only know a few things. Here is how the conversation goes:

Bowler:  if he was excommunicated why are his followers allowed to operate by the local bishops and Rome.

LOT: Rome is now apostate, he was excommunicated by Pius XII the last real pope

Bowler : Is that the same Pius XII that instituted the Holy Week mass changes and the missals after 1954 which you and your sedevacantes comrades reject?

LOT: that's different because it was Bugnini the Mason who instituted those changes

Bowler: and he was the only one? Fr. Feeney pales in comparison to changing the mass, yet you say Bugnini was a Mason, but the writer of the 1949 letter with no AAS number, and Cardinal Cushing and all of his cohorts in Rome are perfect saints?

LOT: crickets, crickets, crickets


Bowler: anyone there?

LOT: What about the Soul of the Church, St. Robert Bellarmine taught it?

Bowler: Oh, boy, here we go again.

What about the Soul of the Church?  What is your point.  Literally the Soul of the Church is the Holy Ghost.  There are inner bonds of unity within the Church that both members and non-members can partake of and the inner bond of unity has been referred to analogically as the soul of the Church but the Church is not two separate or two interlinking entities, it is one and this is what Saint Robert Bellarmine taught.  In what way do you misunderstand him?

If you really care about the truth you will read the following and try to understand it:

http://www.dailycatholic.org/issue/13Jul/jul17ftt.htm

We agree that there is no salvation outside the Church.  You are with true Catholics in this regard.  

If you want to start another thread on the liturgy, start it.  This is about the heretical teaching of the Feeneyites who may die outside the Church they rightly insist one must be within in order to be saved.

Your soul is not a game.  Quit trying to win a battle of wits.  You and Stubborn are the reason for so many posts against your heresy.  When I came back after an absence and so the little resistence against your errors and the increased number of those of the Feeneyite persuasion I was shocked quite frankly.   I'm glad I am not the only one fighting this battle.  I have admitted, repeatedly I could be wrong on the liturgy.  I would admit the same here were I not certain of the obvious facts.  It is pretty absurd of you to accuse me of knowing little about the topic when you err so blatantly and repeatedly on it.  This can be held against you on the day of Judgement. Be very careful about being hard-headed and stubborn for the wrong reasons.  

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One can not debate with these two because they insist on adding things that we do not believe at all, no wonder Fr. Feeney was excommunicated, just look at how he twisted Catholic teaching.  If Stubborn and bower or bowers, (plural people) would be honest by not adding falsehood beliefs that are not even into the minds of those who defend BOD, one could have an interesting debate.  This is their TRADEMARK!  

BODers choose to believe your book that teaches that an unbaptized person who makes a perfect act of contrition receives the baptism of desire and even though he never heard of the existence of the sacrament of Baptism, it suffices as a substitute for the sacrament.


Then BODers turn around and say Fr. Feeney was excommunicated for teaching the dogma as defined.

   

The CATHOLIC CHURCH excommunicated him for disobedience which was a result of his teaching the dogma in a way contrary to they way the Church understands her own dogma.

In all honesty, it is pretty unbelievable that anyone, I mean *anyone* in this day and age could possibly still believe what you posted.

 

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Like any scripture verse any dogma of the Church can be interpreted falsely i.e. in a way that contradicts other dogmas or doctrine.  That is why Feeney was singled out he stood against his fellow Catholic clergymen in his peculiar interpretation of the Dogma.

Yes, you are living proof that dogma can be misinterpreted.

I am waiting for 2Vermont to respond about the canon on sacramental confession. . . . . .

1) Per Trent's own catechism which I posted, she misinterpreted it.

2) I posted Trent's catechism's teaching as regards the necessity of the sacrament of penance and also pointed out what the Church teaches regarding perfect contrition - which teaching states:

it is a degree of contrition which few reach; and hence, in this way, very few indeed could hope to obtain the pardon of their sins. and that a perfect contrition *may* be sufficient of itself to obtain pardon - and they are speaking about a baptized Catholic who has had the Mass, Sacraments, knows and loves the saints, Our Blessed Mother, the angels and etc., so if such a Catholic can have very little hope of making a perfect act of contrition - why are you presuming that every infidel with some presumed desire is capable of it?

You are trying to say that the Church teaches someone unbaptized *will* be saved because  the unbaptized person will make an act of perfect contrition when even only few Catholics can make one and the Church plainly that teaches that Catholics are NOT to depend on it?

3) You and Myrna thank 2Vermont for her misinterpretation and in the process, insult the memory of Fr. Feeney claiming HE is guilty of his own interpretation of the dogma.

As I said, pretty crazy. . . . . . and like talking to a wall.
 

I did not realize that the Trent Catechism did mention perfect contrition, so for that I'm sorry.

Having said that, I just can't get on board with your POV.  You are asserting that true popes like Pius X allowed children to be taught error for hundreds of years.

Yeah, no.  There is nothing you can show me that will make me believe that *that* is true.

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Myrna,

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You are preaching the error, and you should try to stop it before you are held accountable for your denial of the necessity of the Sacraments instituted by God.

Oh, and there is no infallible teaching on a BOD - whichever version you ascribe to.

It is people like you that have made me not want to get in personal discussions as it is impossible to rationalize with the irrational.  The facts have been presented repeatedly to you, but facts are not something you are interested if it contradicts your agenda which seems to be the leading of souls into Hell with you.  

Please have the last word.  As getting the last word is more important that truth to you.  You are what gives blogs and forums a bad name.  You are a good representative of your cult hero the stubborn, disobedient, erroneous and obstinate Feeney.  

As long as you continue to preach that the Church teaches the road to heaven is paved with good intentions, especially after you've been repeatedly proven to be in total error,  I will have the last word.

We are truly living in the age of sentimentalism.