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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Cantate Domino & The Question of Who is Catholic?
« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2021, 08:08:15 AM »
Quote from: Cryptinox on April 25, 2021, 11:10:44 PM
That book is awful and very dishonest.

Yes, it is.  Not only does Fr. Laisney lie in claiming that the Church Fathers unanimously endorsed BoD, but he was caught strategically using ellipses to remove key phrases that undercut his theses.  That book should be put on the Index and burned.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Cantate Domino & The Question of Who is Catholic?
« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2021, 08:09:12 AM »
Quote from: Levantine Crusader on April 26, 2021, 07:45:55 AM
Fr. Laisney’s argument is two fold.
1. Since Cantate Domino says “regarding children since the only remedy...” which implies that another remedy is available to adults i.e Baptism of Desire. (See full quote in OP)
2. Cantate Domino is quoting St. Fulgentius and St. Thomas Aquinas in the passages cited against belief in Baptism of Blood and Baptism of Desire respectively yet St. Fulgentius goes on to mention Baptism of Blood in what he is quoted in and St. Aquinas the same for Baptism of Desire.
I’m curious to know if Fr. Feeney or someone who holds to his position has addressed this argument before hence my OP. I couldn’t find anything on it.

You (and Laiseney) left out the part where St. Fulgentius rejects Baptism of Desire.  By Laisney's own (dishonest) argument, this "proves" that Florence rejected Baptism of Desire.   :laugh1:

Sorry, but that's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard, that a citation from a Council of some passage from a saint means that the Council is teaching everything the cited author teaches about the subject.
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Offline Levantine Crusader

Re: Cantate Domino & The Question of Who is Catholic?
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2021, 08:27:11 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on April 26, 2021, 08:04:22 AM
If you're claiming that because CD cites St. Fulgentius and St. Thomas that it endorses all their other thoughts on the subject, not only is that absurd, but

... ahem ... you are aware, right?, that St. Fulgentius explicitly rejected Baptism of Desire?
I’m not claiming anything. I said this is what Fr. Laisney claimed in his book and I wanted to know if it was addressed as an objection by someone like Fr. Wathen or Fr. Feeney.
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Offline Levantine Crusader

Re: Cantate Domino & The Question of Who is Catholic?
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2021, 08:32:08 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on April 26, 2021, 08:09:12 AM
You (and Laiseney) left out the part where St. Fulgentius rejects Baptism of Desire.  By Laisney's own (dishonest) argument, this "proves" that Florence rejected Baptism of Desire.   :laugh1:

Sorry, but that's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard, that a citation from a Council of some passage from a saint means that the Council is teaching everything the cited author teaches about the subject.
I didn’t leave out anything because I am not the one making the argument in the first place. I’m also not particularly impressed with your objection.

If you’re interested in bickering or arguing then please do it elsewhere. I simply want a source regarding my concern.

My OP request still stands. I want to know if this was addressed via a refutation by someone along the lines of Fr. Feeney or Fr. Wathen.
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Offline Last Tradhican

Re: Cantate Domino & The Question of Who is Catholic?
« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2021, 10:30:39 AM »
Quote from: Levantine Crusader on April 26, 2021, 08:32:08 AM
My OP request still stands. I want to know if this was addressed via a refutation by someone along the lines of Fr. Feeney or Fr. Wathen.
Both Wathen and Feeney were dead when Laisney wrote that, so how can they refute something that was invented by Laisney after they were dead? Your OP request has been thoroughly responded to here from other sources, is it that you do not believe what everyone is telling you, or that you do not want to believe anything they are telling you? Either way it sounds like it is a waste of time to answer you, for you have already made up your mind and no one is going to change it.

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Where does it mention it? That book is awful and very dishonest.

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As we maintain that the observance of the holy Paschal time should in no way be relaxed, in the same way we desire that infants who, on account of their age, cannot yet speak, or those who, in any necessity, are in want of the water of holy baptism, be succoured with all possible speed, for fear that, if anyone who leaves this world should be deprived of the life of the Kingdom for having been refused the source of salvation which he desired, this may lead to the ruin of our souls. If anyone threatened with shipwreck, or the attack of enemies, or the uncertainties of a siege, or anyone put in a hopeless condition due to some bodily sickness, asks for what in his faith is his only help, let him receive at the very moment of his request the reward of the regeneration he begs for. Enough of the past mistakes! From now on, let all the priests observe the aforesaid rule if they do not want to be separated from the solid apostolic rock on which Christ has built His universal Church.



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If you're claiming that because CD cites St. Fulgentius and St. Thomas that it endorses all their other thoughts on the subject, not only is that absurd, but

... ahem ... you are aware, right?, that St. Fulgentius explicitly rejected Baptism of Desire?


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You (and Laiseney) left out the part where St. Fulgentius rejects Baptism of Desire.  By Laisney's own (dishonest) argument, this "proves" that Florence rejected Baptism of Desire.  

Sorry, but that's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard, that a citation from a Council of some passage from a saint means that the Council is teaching everything the cited author teaches about the subject

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