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Offline Last Tradhican

Re: False BOD is Foundational to VatII
« Reply #95 on: April 20, 2021, 10:16:18 AM »
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He certainly is the worst communicator I have ever encountered. A person that does not believe in salvation by implicit faith BOD or implicit faith, that is trying to teach that St. Alphonsus was an implicit faither??
There, that's better.
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: False BOD is Foundational to VatII
« Reply #96 on: April 20, 2021, 10:35:46 AM »
Most people don’t even understand the difference between implicit BOD and implicit faith...yet they want to debate.  Very intellectually lazy. 
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Offline vasodilation

Re: False BOD is Foundational to VatII
« Reply #97 on: April 22, 2021, 04:43:14 PM »
If you're for "BOD" then you can't logically be against the Novus Ordo religion. Your "BOD" says the Novus Ordo is just as good of a way to Heaven than real (traditional) Catholicism. 
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: False BOD is Foundational to VatII
« Reply #98 on: April 23, 2021, 09:00:15 AM »

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Vatican II never says non-Christians can be saved as non-Christians. It says God will bring those who seek Him sincerely to that Faith without which it is impossible to please Him. This can be read in a way conformable to Tradition and Explicit Faith.
Ahhh...Eureka!  I finally see the confusion/misinterpretation/false definition of Xavier and others.  See, they are conflating "Explicit Faith" in the Incarnation/Trinity with "The Faith" of the Church.  These are 2 totally separate things.
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Xavier, we cannot please God unless we have "The Faith", meaning we have full membership in the Church.  Explicit Faith in the Incarnation/Trinity is simply the absolute, minimum requirement for membership in the Church.  To be a member in the Church you must have
1) at least, Explicit Faith
2) a desire for membership in the Church, which means:
a) Complete knowledge of Baptism, and a desire for it
b) understanding of and acceptance of obedience to, the pope
c) understanding that there is only one Church that Christ started - the Catholic one
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Your heretical error is that you define "Explicit Faith" as simply belief in the Incarnation/Trinity, and leave out all the necessary requirements related to the Catholic Faith.  You think that protestants can be saved without wanting the Church, the pope, or its rules.  Total heresy!
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: False BOD is Foundational to VatII
« Reply #99 on: April 23, 2021, 09:33:54 AM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on April 23, 2021, 09:00:15 AM
Ahhh...Eureka!  I finally see the confusion/misinterpretation/false definition of Xavier and others.  See, they are conflating "Explicit Faith" in the Incarnation/Trinity with "The Faith" of the Church.  These are 2 totally separate things.

Correct.  That is why on another thread he referred to Protestants as "real Christians".  I disputed that because for true faith it does not suffice to believe materially in the Holy Trinity and Incarnation, but this belief must be based on the correct rule of faith and therefore have the proper formal motive.  That is why those Catholics who become heretics on any point lose the faith and membership in the Church, even when they continue to maintain a natural belief in the Holy Trinity and Incarnation, because they implicitly reject the rule of faith upon from which all true faith derives (the origin of the expression that if you deny one dogma, you deny them all).  With Protestants, even if they don't actively reject the rule of faith, they nevertheless do not have the right rule of faith, which can be missing negatively and does not require that they actively commit a sin against faith (another error promoted by Xavier).

I agree that the assertion that Protestants are "real Christians" is heretical.
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