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Offline Mithrandylan

Re: Breaking: NOW (M. Derksen) Rejects Invincible Ignorance
« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2022, 07:46:42 AM »
Quote from: Stubborn on November 07, 2022, 07:22:53 AM
Yes of course, which is to say that there is every reason for a Pope to condemn "a separate congregation specifically tasked with interpreting the council's decrees" were such a thing to exist, not establish one.
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Is it? Seems every reason to have authoritative ways of interpreting conciliar teaching. 
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Breaking: NOW (M. Derksen) Rejects Invincible Ignorance
« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2022, 08:01:18 AM »
Quote from: Mithrandylan on November 07, 2022, 07:46:42 AM
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Is it? Seems every reason to have authoritative ways of interpreting conciliar teaching.
If it were your Council and after 18 years of it, would you send the whole mess out to a separate group so they can figure out what it is you actually said?
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Offline Mithrandylan

Re: Breaking: NOW (M. Derksen) Rejects Invincible Ignorance
« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2022, 08:25:31 AM »
Quote from: Stubborn on November 07, 2022, 08:01:18 AM
If it were your Council and after 18 years of it, would you send the whole mess out to a separate group so they can figure out what it is you actually said?
Intuition doesn't seem like the right rule by which to judge.
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A better question is: if the Church intends conciliar decrees to only ever have a strict literal sense ('the way the words read once and for all', as it is often affectionately put), why then, when given the opportunity to explain how she must be understood (the Vatican I passage you quoted), does she not say so?
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Breaking: NOW (M. Derksen) Rejects Invincible Ignorance
« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2022, 08:33:01 AM »
Quote from: Mithrandylan on November 07, 2022, 08:25:31 AM
Intuition doesn't seem like the right rule by which to judge.
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A better question is: if the Church intends conciliar decrees to only ever have a strict literal sense ('the way the words read once and for all', as it is often affectionately put), why then, when given the opportunity to explain how she must be understood (the Vatican I passage you quoted), does she not say so?
But she does say so, she says they are to be understood "as once declared," not understood the way "a separate congregation interprets them."  
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Offline Mithrandylan

Re: Breaking: NOW (M. Derksen) Rejects Invincible Ignorance
« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2022, 09:05:22 AM »
It says the meaning once declared is to be maintained. It does not say that the literal or plain meaning of a given declaration is to be understood literally. 
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