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I love Apocalypse, but cannot help but mention 2 Thess. 2:3 when St. Paul Says, "Let no man deceive you by any means, for unless there come a revolt first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition,"
Ne quis vos seducat ullo modo : quoniam nisi venerit discessio primum, et revelatus fuerit homo peccati filius perditionis,

The Latin for "revolt" is discessio, di cedo,  which seems to mean "to divide the house" and one rare interpretation, "A separation of married persons."  I can't help but think of Vatican II which was really a separation between tradition and modernism.  And according to one of my dictionaries Cicero used the word discessus to describe his banishment from Rome.  Interestingly,  Cicero was stabbed to death by his own student, Herennius; sort of like we Trads have been stabbed by the modernist Catholics.  Cicero was murdered on Dec 7th, but as the story goes, on the day he was murdered a raven (symbol of death) hopped up on his bed and removed the sheet from his face, foretelling his death.  This is my ramble of the day.

 

Good Morning, OB!

Worse, Vatican II has divided the house of the faithful. We've been scattered to the four winds. We love the Faith, would die for it, and yet we cannot agree with each other on practically anything. We love God and we fight with each other. It's quite perverse, really. This division I long blamed on trad clerics - and they do play their part in spades. But ultimately the hand of the Lord hath done this. We are chastised for our sins - and we are being sifted. 

I find it interesting that Dr. Droleskey focused on the divisions among the faithful Catholics in his consideration of the import of Sr. Wilhelmina. I too went straight for that problem in my own thinking, and concluded that whatever SrW is, she is not the healing balm that will reunite the scattered faithful. Her thus far incorruption lacks the agency power to bind up the bleeding wound. Therefore to my mind the manifestation must mean something else; and I cannot help but go immediately to the possibility that "the times are a changin'." 

I read the sign of the incorrupt habit as a Divine reminder that the Church is indefectible; and the sign of the incorrupt body as a Divine reminder that the Faith, which seems to have been dead and buried, is very much alive in many souls, across all the lines of division. I am looking with great interest at the possibility that we are nearing the end of the 5th age, and perhaps, are close to a Divine intervention of some kind. Please God! 

 

Yes, OB, I think many Trads would agree that this post-V2 Conciliar Church phenomenon is the Great Apostasy, the schismatic discessio revolt spoken of in 2 Thessalonians by St. Paul.

St. Paul speaks of this as a sign that Christ's coming is to follow. It is Christ's Second Coming that destroys this Apostasy. 2 Thessalonians 2:8. This is the divine revelation of Scripture, which cannot be contradicted.

Where between this revolt, schism, discessio and Christ's return do you see a Great Monarch, a great era of peace and prosperity in a renewed Church? It ain't in St. Paul's timeline, and it ain't anywhere in God's revelation in Scripture.

There is the 1,000 reign since the cross, when Christ bound Satan, and when the Church spreads the Gospel and saves the "called" ones, the elect, and then there's the revolt, the schism, the discessio, and then Christ's return.

Other forecasts of some different Millennial reign are, in my view, akin to "Jєωιѕн fables" and "traditions of men" contrary to Scripture.

This appears to be a minority view around here, but it needs to be expressed, and I'll keep doing so.

Yesh it doesn't make sense to me. This apostasy will be fixed then we will have another worse one later? I don't see it. Considering what cassini wrote in the other thread about heliocentrism being infallibly condemned, I don't think it's good to put our trust in princes, in this case private revelation.