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Thank you, Decem, for your reply. You are always a gentleman with me, and it is greatly appreciated.

I think you are correct, that there are many prophecies and visions in the Apocalypse that can be applied to Vatican II. I thank you for narrowing things down to Chapter 20, and also for the insights you’ve provided.

Now, I am troubled by the tone and tenor of the forum threads that involve these issues. Clearly we are speaking about matters that pertain to the future, and possibly even contingent or conditional future events. No one knows the future. The events that shall come to pass are not the subject matter of infallible declarations. Yet there is an almost bitter zeal in many posts, even in this thread. People striving against one another, pushing their own predictions of what is going to happen in the future. People getting upset – or so it seems – because they cannot convince others that the future will go down as they hold it will go down.

No matter how many quotes one amasses, and no matter how pristine the sources, we are in the realm of opinion and speculation. In my reading of Ratton thus far, it is clear that Saints, Doctors, churchmen and divines have come to manifold and various opinions about the meaning of the Apocalypse. There are different schools on any number of questions. Nor has the Church ruled on them.

Why then is this a debate? Why a battle? Why a contest? Why more division? Why? Why? Why? In matters of opinion, discussion, yes. But striving in matters of opinion, especially matters pertaining to future events known only to the Mind of God, is against both charity and wisdom. It's unseemly.

We have two threads on this so I'll post this again here.

It appears that the Great Chastisement, Three Days, and Great Monarch are all intertwined in some sources.

This is what I posted in the other thread:


The video shows at this timestamp (57:11) that Dupont does actually discuss AMT and explains that the Great Monarch doesn't make sense

because he is going to convert the world after the Three Days of Darkness

wipes out all the non-Catholics.

Who will he convert?

https://youtu.be/QkbKwWyDyZg?t=3431

Miser, I went to the link you posted and what I found astonished me.

It's a discussion about a FICTIONAL book mocking the Catholic Church and exploiting Church prophecies about the Three Days Darkness.

The narrator who is discussing the FICTIONAL book explains that the TDD is actually aliens landing on earth.

In this context, he FALSELY claims that the Catholic prophecy says the TTD "wipes out all the Catholics" and then snarkily asks "Who will he (sic) convert?"

Of all of the Church sources for information on the TDD, absolutely NONE of them say all Catholics are wiped out. It is the enemies of the Church who are wiped out.

Miser, I know your heart is in the right place, but you might want to begin with trustworthy sources (which means not someone on YouTube). Had you started with any of the Blesseds who have discussed the TDD, you would have known this person on the video is way, way off base. He does not know what Catholic prophecy of numerous Blesseds and others have clearly said.

Also anyone who relies on a FICTIONAL source to make his point is not to be trusted.