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Animated Face of Our Lord from the Shroud of Turin
« on: June 04, 2021, 12:30:08 PM »
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  • I'm sure many of you have seen that 3D reconstruction of Our Lord's Face from the Shroud of Turin.

    Well, someone here applied an AI algorithm to animate Our Lord's Face.

    This is very moving.



    Of course, they cannot fully capture that glow in the eyes (the one you see in pictures of the saints), where the eyes are a window into the soul.  And this algorithm looks a bit twitchy at a couple spots.  But perhaps they can expand on this and improve it.  Perhaps add more facial expression, and a fuller smile.

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    Re: Animated Face of Our Lord from the Shroud of Turin
    « Reply #1 on: June 04, 2021, 12:56:51 PM »
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  • This is exactly how I picture our Lord when I meditate. It was both uplifting and unsettling for me. I'm actually surprised more people don't base their images of Christ off of the Shroud these days. Rather, I keep seeing this abominable "caveman" rendering of Our Lord:

    "The Heart of Jesus is closer to you when you suffer, than when you are full of joy." - St. Margaret Mary Alacoque

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    Re: Animated Face of Our Lord from the Shroud of Turin
    « Reply #2 on: June 04, 2021, 12:59:44 PM »
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  • I don't have any idea whatsoever where they got that caveman image of Our Lord. :facepalm:
    So do all who live to see such times but it is not for them to decide, all you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to you.

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    Re: Animated Face of Our Lord from the Shroud of Turin
    « Reply #3 on: June 04, 2021, 01:06:54 PM »
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  • That animation of the Holy Shroud is beautiful.

    I think the Holy Face of Manoppello is an abomination similar to the caveman.

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    Re: Animated Face of Our Lord from the Shroud of Turin
    « Reply #4 on: June 04, 2021, 01:33:45 PM »
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  • This is exactly how I picture our Lord when I meditate. It was both uplifting and unsettling for me. I'm actually surprised more people don't base their images of Christ off of the Shroud these days. Rather, I keep seeing this abominable "caveman" rendering of Our Lord:

    Or, even worse, the effeminate Jesus.

    I also dislike the effeminate depictions of St. Joseph that have been pretty popular and become widely circulated.


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    Re: Animated Face of Our Lord from the Shroud of Turin
    « Reply #5 on: June 04, 2021, 01:34:28 PM »
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  • Here’s a beautiful rendition that seems to be based in part on the Face of Our Lord portrayed on the Shroud: 

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    Re: Animated Face of Our Lord from the Shroud of Turin
    « Reply #6 on: June 04, 2021, 01:34:38 PM »
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  • I don't have any idea whatsoever where they got that caveman image of Our Lord. :facepalm:

    Maybe they're eventually trying to morph to a Black Jesus.

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    Re: Animated Face of Our Lord from the Shroud of Turin
    « Reply #7 on: June 04, 2021, 01:37:31 PM »
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  • Here’s a beautiful rendition that seems to be based in part on the Face of Our Lord portrayed on the Shroud:

    Thanks.  It's amazing how close the images from "Classical Antiquity" got ... compared to the Shroud.  That's just a reflection of the fact that Tradition was strong.  Just as these images very much resemble Our Lord on the Shroud, so too the DOCTRINE of "Classical Antiquity" (i.e. that of the Fathers) also closely mirrors what was taught by Our Lord.


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    Re: Animated Face of Our Lord from the Shroud of Turin
    « Reply #8 on: June 04, 2021, 01:47:57 PM »
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  • So, the image here that forms the basis of the animation was actually determined from various "depth" data on the Shroud, where they could actually determine the "distance" away from the Shroud of the various features of Christ and were therefore able to construct the 3D image.  According to Ray Downing, who put together the 3D image, it was based on some 3D encoding that "shouldn't be there".  So much for the clowns who kept claiming this was a medieval forgery.  I still recall Wojtyla insisting "publish it" (with it referring to the conclusion it was a Medieval forgery based on fake carbon dating)





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    Re: Animated Face of Our Lord from the Shroud of Turin
    « Reply #9 on: June 04, 2021, 02:17:43 PM »
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  • Depth on a 2D image is impossible. The fact that the material should have decomposed, blood that's caked on there hasn't decomposed, 3D on a 2D image is proof enough that it isn't "a medieval forgery".
    So do all who live to see such times but it is not for them to decide, all you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to you.

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    Re: Animated Face of Our Lord from the Shroud of Turin
    « Reply #10 on: June 04, 2021, 02:38:12 PM »
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  • Beautifully done. I appreciate that they didn’t give home more facial expressions. He is above human passions and emotions and I think it’s inappropriate to depict Him that way in art.


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    Re: Animated Face of Our Lord from the Shroud of Turin
    « Reply #11 on: June 04, 2021, 02:44:13 PM »
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  • The exact moment of the Resurrection.
    "For there is not any thing secret that shall not be made manifest, nor hidden, that shall not be known and come abroad."- Luke 8:17

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    Re: Animated Face of Our Lord from the Shroud of Turin
    « Reply #12 on: June 04, 2021, 05:19:43 PM »
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  • Or, even worse, the effeminate Jesus.

    I also dislike the effeminate depictions of St. Joseph that have been pretty popular and become widely circulated.
    My profile image is my absolute favorite Sacred Heart image.

    There are a ton of effeminate Sacred Heart images that popped up in the 19th century. Right now the one on the Fatima Center calendar I have is cringe-inducing:


    I get Jesus is meant to be depicted as approachable, warm and loving; but this just makes Him look weak and a little light in the loafers. Not the King of the Universe as something like this:
    "The Heart of Jesus is closer to you when you suffer, than when you are full of joy." - St. Margaret Mary Alacoque

    Memento mori

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    Re: Animated Face of Our Lord from the Shroud of Turin
    « Reply #13 on: June 04, 2021, 05:31:27 PM »
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  • Thanks.  It's amazing how close the images from "Classical Antiquity" got ... compared to the Shroud.  That's just a reflection of the fact that Tradition was strong.  Just as these images very much resemble Our Lord on the Shroud, so too the DOCTRINE of "Classical Antiquity" (i.e. that of the Fathers) also closely mirrors what was taught by Our Lord.
    This makes me think of this:
    https://www.raydowning.com/blog/2016/3/18/shroud-of-turin-in-ancient-manuscript
    Perhaps the traditional images came directly from the Shroud.
    "For there is not any thing secret that shall not be made manifest, nor hidden, that shall not be known and come abroad."- Luke 8:17

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    Re: Animated Face of Our Lord from the Shroud of Turin
    « Reply #14 on: June 04, 2021, 05:35:40 PM »
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  • Beautifully done. I appreciate that they didn’t give home more facial expressions. He is above human passions and emotions and I think it’s inappropriate to depict Him that way in art.
    St. Basil the Great claimed that Jesus never laughed, and, I cannot remember which saint said it but there was one that even claimed He never smiled. Which makes sense given that His entire life was meant to be of the most intense suffering. This is not to detract from His interior joy through His union with the Father, but, the solemn Jesus matches His solemn character that comes through in the Gospels.
    "The Heart of Jesus is closer to you when you suffer, than when you are full of joy." - St. Margaret Mary Alacoque

    Memento mori