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You Be The Judge: The Divorced Man
« on: October 28, 2014, 03:14:12 PM »
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  • A man becomes disillusioned with his wife and divorces her.  He lives the rest of his life in a state of celibacy.

    Can he still take Holy Communion?

    Is he, as presented above, in a state of sin, either mortal or venial?


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    You Be The Judge: The Divorced Man
    « Reply #1 on: October 28, 2014, 03:16:25 PM »
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  • Did he have proper grounds to divorce her, or was he just "tired" of her? I think that may matter in answering the question.


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    « Reply #2 on: October 28, 2014, 04:30:56 PM »
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  • Marry for better or for worse, til death do you part.  You may be separated, but you are still married.  Unless you had to civilly separate for financial matters or such, you are still married.  Holy Eucharist?  Are you in the State of Grace.

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    You Be The Judge: The Divorced Man
    « Reply #3 on: October 28, 2014, 06:35:18 PM »
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    Are you in the State of Grace.


    Well, is he?

    That's what I'm trying to find out?


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    You Be The Judge: The Divorced Man
    « Reply #4 on: October 28, 2014, 07:58:25 PM »
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  • You Be The Judge: The Divorced Man

    No we are not the judges.

    Christ is the Judge. and He has taught us through his Church.


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    You Be The Judge: The Divorced Man
    « Reply #5 on: October 28, 2014, 08:28:20 PM »
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  • They are only civilly divorced they are still married in the eyes of The Church. I'm in the same situation and I'm allowed to receive Communion.

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    « Reply #6 on: October 28, 2014, 09:02:13 PM »
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  • There isn't enough information in the OP to answer the question.  Why did the husband civilly divorce his wife?  Remaining celibate isn't enough to make the man sinless; there would have to be a good reason for the man to abandon his duties as a husband (and possibly as a father) and desert his family.

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    « Reply #7 on: October 28, 2014, 11:59:00 PM »
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    A man becomes disillusioned with his wife and divorces her.  He lives the rest of his life in a state of celibacy.

    Can he still take Holy Communion?

    Is he, as presented above, in a state of sin, either mortal or venial?

    If he is at fault in the civil divorce then it is recommended that there should be at least an attempt at a reconciliation. If he is at fault in the divorce then there is the sin of causing the divorce. disillusionment is not grounds for the disolution of a marriage. Outside of that if it is impossible to effect a reconciliation then he could recieve communion if he is living in celibacy.
     


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    « Reply #8 on: October 29, 2014, 05:23:35 AM »
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    A man becomes disillusioned with his wife and divorces her.  He lives the rest of his life in a state of celibacy.

    Can he still take Holy Communion?

    Is he, as presented above, in a state of sin, either mortal or venial?


    Going only by what you wrote, imo, he is in the state of mortal sin for breaking his vow and separating from his wife (and children?) without first obtaining the necessary permission from the Church.

    Additionally, by him breaking his vow and separating, he will bear some of the guilt for the sins of his wife (and children?), which would otherwise not have been committed if he were where he vowed before God to remain until death.

    He will also pay for the neglect of the duties he was bound to carry out as a husband and as a father. Before God he will answer for this neglect toward his children as well as his spouse.

    Can he receive Holy Communion? - No. Regardless of the reason he divorced his wife - even if he was in imminent danger of being murdered by her, he is not permitted to receive communion without permission from the Church - or in today's world, not without permission from at least one of the trad priests - or perhaps not without permission from one of the trad bishops.

    That's how it goes. Holy Mother considers (used to consider) it a very serious offense to separate from bed, much more so from bed and board - civil divorce / celibate life was rarely permitted and even then, she only allowed it only after the Church, not the wife or husband, was satisfied that every possible effort was exhausted to remedy the situation.

    In this day and age though, where there is no Church authority reliable enough to grant or deny any permission, best to get with a trad priest first and go from there before receiving communion.
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    « Reply #9 on: October 29, 2014, 10:33:35 AM »
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  • The situation is irregular and the man should discuss the issue with a good traditional priest.  Since you have not explained what being "disillusioned with his wife" means, it is impossible to judge the situation; but, quite frankly, internet forums are not really the appropriate place to judge such a situation.  The confessional is the appropriate venue for this judgment.

    I cannot imagine how being "disillusioned with one's wife" can possibly be valid grounds for separation and valid grounds for abandoning her to the world.  But, as has been amply demonstrated on many topics here on CathInfo, my imagination is very narrow.  

    I think the Opening Poster needs to discuss this with the priest if he is the man in question.  


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    « Reply #10 on: October 29, 2014, 04:56:25 PM »
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  • Divorce is a mortal sin. It must be confessed to return to the state of grace.


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    « Reply #11 on: October 29, 2014, 05:54:08 PM »
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    Divorce is a mortal sin. It must be confessed to return to the state of grace.


    Would, then, remaining divorced also be a mortal sin?  Serious question.

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    You Be The Judge: The Divorced Man
    « Reply #12 on: October 29, 2014, 06:41:21 PM »
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  • Pussilanimous husband, I find this very sad. It seemed a year ago that you were looking to justify a divorce. You should run, not walk to Confession and get some serious advice on this.

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    « Reply #13 on: October 29, 2014, 07:28:33 PM »
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  • How old are you?  If you are past age 40, your hormones drop and disillusion or wrong perceptions can take place.  Get you doctor to get you in tuned to B-12 or complex shots.  Once a month or twice a month when needed.  It will clear your mind and you will see things as they should be.  Then maybe you will find confession!  

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    You Be The Judge: The Divorced Man
    « Reply #14 on: October 29, 2014, 08:25:58 PM »
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    Divorce is a mortal sin. It must be confessed to return to the state of grace.


    Would, then, remaining divorced also be a mortal sin?  Serious question.


    It takes two to rectify.

    What is he remains divorced because he has no choice?