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Offline Everlast22

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Re: Wife defrosts meat on the floor
« Reply #120 on: June 12, 2025, 09:46:11 AM »
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    The point isn't that she is excused from those threats because of the anxiety, the point is that she may be less rational than usual (and women are always less rational than men already) because of hormonal interference.
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    OP wants to solve that problem. Telling him that his wife is his enemy, or that he just needs to rule her with an iron fist, is not going to solve that problem. 
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    Never once in the history of CI have any of the marriage counsellors on here been able to produce a single real-life example where these kinds of problems have been solved with that kind of approach. These aren't questions of doctrine or theology. Your wife isn't someone on the Internet you're in a debate with.
    Who here said he should call her his enemy or rule with an iron fist?? what? Stop projecting.

    From what I'm seeing, the problem is not going to go away. She will keep doing what she is doing. If the husband doesn't want her to do something like what she is doing, and its reasonable (which this scenario, him asking her to stop it is) she needs to listen to him. You can't reason with this stupidity. It's either that or he gets walked on.

    When my wife has anxiety about something or is upset, we definitely talk about it. If my wife started throwing apple cores around the room because it's "healthy", she is going to stop it because I said so. This kinda proves women are adult children. Men don't get away with this BS.

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    « Reply #121 on: June 12, 2025, 09:52:55 AM »
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  • Who here said he should call her his enemy or rule with an iron fist?? what? Stop projecting.

    From what I'm seeing, the problem is not going to go away. She will keep doing what she is doing. If the husband doesn't want her to do something like what she is doing, and its reasonable (which this scenario, him asking her to stop it is) she needs to listen to him. You can't reason with this stupidity. It's either that or he gets walked on.

    When my wife has anxiety about something or is upset, we definitely talk about it. If my wife started throwing apple cores around the room because it's "healthy", she is going to stop it because I said so. This kinda proves women are adult children. Men don't get away with this BS.
    What you're missing is this doesn't appear to be just low-level anxiety or doing "stupid things".  It's OCD.   


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    Re: Wife defrosts meat on the floor
    « Reply #122 on: June 12, 2025, 09:54:30 AM »
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  • Who here said he should call her his enemy or rule with an iron fist?? what? Stop projecting.

    Well, since so many posts are anonymous in here, I don't actually know who said what most of the time. But the constant rhetoric of "she's manipulating you", "she's not a traditional Catholic", and so forth encourages a hostile and combative approach to the problem-- which is the approach one uses with enemies. If people have overstated their case then that is their problem, not mine for taking their word.
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    From what I'm seeing, the problem is not going to go away. She will keep doing what she is doing. If the husband doesn't want her to do something like what she is doing, and its reasonable (which this scenario, him asking her to stop it is) she needs to listen to him. You can't reason with this stupidity. It's either that or he gets walked on.
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    I agree the problem is not going to go away. But it also isn't going to be solved in a moment of authoritizing harder. This woman already doesn't respect her husband's authority. And I don't think that's all that uncommon, even for traditional women, when they first set out in marriage.


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    When my wife has anxiety about something or is upset, we definitely talk about it. If my wife started throwing apple cores around the room because it's "healthy", she is going to stop it because I said so. This kinda proves women are adult children. Men don't get away with this BS.


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    Yes, men and women are different. We do not hold women to the standards of men. They are more like children than men are. Like children, they respond best to love. This is why St. Paul's injunction to husbands is to love their wives, something that doesn't come all that naturally-- just as wives respecting their husbands doesn't come all that naturally. You sound like you're just seizing on OP's woes to issue general complaints. Fine, but your general complaints by no means make for good advice for his situation.
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    Re: Wife defrosts meat on the floor
    « Reply #123 on: June 12, 2025, 09:56:42 AM »
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  • What you're missing is this doesn't appear to be just low-level anxiety or doing "stupid things".  It's OCD. 
    Doesn't excuse what she's doing in the scenario OP gave.

    Don't get me wrong, finding help for it is a very good idea. I personally think OCD is heavy personality trait, not a "disorder". If anything it's more of a spiritual thing. 

    You telling me leaving her husband will not worsen her anxiety/OCD? I think it would.

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    « Reply #124 on: June 12, 2025, 09:59:59 AM »
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  • This woman already doesn't respect her husband's authority.
    Welp. That nails the coffin. :laugh1: 

    I wonder why she does not respect him. Or didn't to begin with. Or... decided to marry at all.


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    « Reply #125 on: June 12, 2025, 10:00:26 AM »
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  • A husband can be unwavering and authoritarian, and also loving, at the same time.  Same as God the Father.

    Many of you have been brainwashed by the media to view authority as either a merciless dictator or a cuddly puppy dog.  There is an in between.

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    « Reply #126 on: June 12, 2025, 10:03:02 AM »
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  • Well, since so many posts are anonymous in here, I don't actually know who said what most of the time. But the constant rhetoric of "she's manipulating you", "she's not a traditional Catholic", and so forth encourages a hostile and combative approach to the problem-- which is the approach one uses with enemies. 
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    :confused:  She is manipulative and she is being hostile.  Recognizing this doesn't mean the husband has to be combative.  But it does give him the knowledge on how to change his approach.

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    Re: Wife defrosts meat on the floor
    « Reply #127 on: June 12, 2025, 10:03:45 AM »
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  • Welp. That nails the coffin. :laugh1:

    I wonder why she does not respect him. Or didn't to begin with. Or... decided to marry at all.
    It is difficult for women to respect men. It is all the more difficult when, in our current world, there are zero cultural models for women in this regard. The best one can hope for is to be raised in a home where the wife respects the husband, but even that can be undermined by a combination of pride and even minimal exposure to the culture.
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    This has been a problem since the beginning of time, and it will not stop being a problem. The question is how a given man works to solve the problem.  
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).


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    « Reply #128 on: June 12, 2025, 10:03:48 AM »
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  • I wonder why she does not respect him. Or didn't to begin with. Or... decided to marry at all.
    Feminism at work.

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    « Reply #129 on: June 12, 2025, 10:06:25 AM »
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  • A husband can be unwavering and authoritarian, and also loving, at the same time.  Same as God the Father.

    Many of you have been brainwashed by the media to view authority as either a merciless dictator or a cuddly puppy dog.  There is an in between.
    Yes, and no doubt we love those we admonish/discipline.

    People today, Catholic or not are just spoiled, wimpy, uncharitable brats. 



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    Re: Wife defrosts meat on the floor
    « Reply #130 on: June 12, 2025, 10:42:06 AM »
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  • Doesn't excuse what she's doing in the scenario OP gave.

    Don't get me wrong, finding help for it is a very good idea. I personally think OCD is heavy personality trait, not a "disorder". If anything it's more of a spiritual thing.

    You telling me leaving her husband will not worsen her anxiety/OCD? I think it would.
    If you read the link above about OCD in relationships, you'd see that those with OCD use threats and guilt trips to control. She isn't leaving him. 


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    Re: Wife defrosts meat on the floor
    « Reply #131 on: June 12, 2025, 11:53:16 AM »
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  • I am surprised at some of the comments here insinuating how he should have chose better or alluding to her changing from when they were engaged to when they were married.

    4 weeks post partum is perhaps the absolute worst time to be thinking about how a wife has changed or shown her true colors. I’m so glad my husband didn’t think that way with me. He doubled down and loved me even though it was hard. His steadiness and firm but gentle principles made me respect him more (each time after I got through post partum 6 times 😆). I can say for certain I respect him more every year we are married because of his wisdom and patience with me when I am unhinged and irrational 4 weeks postpartum.


    There will be times your wife doesn’t respect you, even if she’s trad. You still have to love her and be patient. There’s times that husbands will not love their wives well. We still have to respect our husbands. We honor our promises to God and depend on the sacrament to get us through. This is how we get to heaven with our spouses. We sure don’t go into marriage perfect! We help each other.

    It’s hard to say, we have such limited information. But as OP responds I tend to think getting through post partum then getting some help with OCD will go a really long way.
    I think you are doing well, OP!
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    Re: Wife defrosts meat on the floor
    « Reply #132 on: June 12, 2025, 12:07:21 PM »
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  • I am surprised at some of the comments here insinuating how he should have chose better or alluding to her changing from when they were engaged to when they were married.

    4 weeks post partum is perhaps the absolute worst time to be thinking about how a wife has changed or shown her true colors. I’m so glad my husband didn’t think that way with me. He doubled down and loved me even though it was hard. His steadiness and firm but gentle principles made me respect him more (each time after I got through post partum 6 times 😆). I can say for certain I respect him more every year we are married because of his wisdom and patience with me when I am unhinged and irrational 4 weeks postpartum.


    There will be times your wife doesn’t respect you, even if she’s trad. You still have to love her and be patient. There’s times that husbands will not love their wives well. We still have to respect our husbands. We honor our promises to God and depend on the sacrament to get us through. This is how we get to heaven with our spouses. We sure don’t go into marriage perfect! We help each other.

    It’s hard to say, we have such limited information. But as OP responds I tend to think getting through post partum then getting some help with OCD will go a really long way.
    I think you are doing well, OP!
    So is the post partum troubles causing her to put meat on the floor to defrost and threaten to leave him? Or give the impression she is going to do that? I'm confused. My wife was down in the dumps for a little bit too after our first, however, she was not irrational or mean. She def got short sometimes, but that's about it.... 

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    Re: Wife defrosts meat on the floor
    « Reply #133 on: June 12, 2025, 12:37:30 PM »
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  • So is the post partum troubles causing her to put meat on the floor to defrost and threaten to leave him? Or give the impression she is going to do that? I'm confused. My wife was down in the dumps for a little bit too after our first, however, she was not irrational or mean. She def got short sometimes, but that's about it....


    I understand where you are coming from. I have some different perspective being a woman. I think the meat on the floor is a culture thing that seems really gross to us.  I do think crazy horomones compounded by little sleep could actually make you think you’d be better off alone. I’m sure not saying it is ok for her to say that,  but I understand her weakness there.  OCD is a serious problem here because I understand that’s pretty common with severe OCD people, to make threats like that. It’s really unhealthy, I hope he can help her change that. 

    Each couple has their own unique issues that require some work. 

    I was how you described your wife with my first 4 pregnancy/postpartums. The last one I was a complete disaster- much worse than typical post partum mood swings. It’s hard to explain, but the thoughts in my head really did feel like reality, and they were completely irrational thoughts. Thoughts against my husband that were unfounded and unfair led me to feel I made a huge mistake in marrying him. It was terrible. I got on some horomone balancing supplements and it was like the fog cleared. I apologized profusely many times and was so grateful he was so patient with me during that time. He admitted to me afterwards how hard it was for him. Bless him. Next time I will be more prepared by taking better supplements during pregnancy and post partum. 
    I’m not sure how else to explain it other than to talk about my personal experience with it. 

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    Re: Wife defrosts meat on the floor
    « Reply #134 on: June 12, 2025, 12:38:07 PM »
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  • Mythrandylan and jen51, very good posts.

    OP you do sound level headed and not a pushover.  I know this time period is hard.  I know some of us are praying for you and your struggles.  Keep at it.  Guiding her to seek help, instead of forcing it, might be an option.  Some people do better when they think the idea is their own. :pray::pray::pray:
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"