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Offline Gray2023

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Re: Wife defrosts meat on the floor
« Reply #45 on: June 11, 2025, 11:52:22 AM »
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  • Just because a woman rejects Vatican 2 doesn't mean she's not a feminist.  We knew a staunchly SV couple with SAHM and homeschooling 5 kids, had a home chapel, the whole enchilada.  She eventually divorced him and posts crap on Facebook about standing up to toxic people, don't believe the lies you hear about her, etc.  Her daughters now wear pants which is a huge shift.  No references to Catholic faith at all. 
    This is sad. I see this happen a lot.  I am not sure how the problem can be solved.

    The OP should try to get a priest involved.  If that doesn't work, is there a well respected older couple in the parish that you can speak with?
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"

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    Re: Wife defrosts meat on the floor
    « Reply #46 on: June 11, 2025, 11:57:14 AM »
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    You need to get marriage counseling from your priest as soon as possible. This behavior is mortally sinful, and he needs to tell her that.

    Unfortunately, your belief that she rejects Vatican 2 is probably another deception on her part. Her behavior is that of a modernist, not of someone who believes in the Catholic Faith.

    This is a very common syndrome, that people are raised in the new church and adopts its religion, and somewhere down the line they think they became traditional Catholic because they begin attending a trad chapel. They usually do reject the Novus Ordo, and accept the traditional Mass, but they retain the faith and morals of modernism, not Catholicism.

    This manifests itself differently with men and women. With men, they usually just don't go to church, despite claiming to be traditional Catholic, and don't practice much religion at all. With women, it typically manifests itself in their rejection of Catholic teachings on marriage. They believe they can walk out on their marriage (as in the case of your wife), they don't believe they have to obey their husband, they don't believe in the marriage debt, and sometimes they even accept contraception.

    In both cases, the problem is the lack of acceptance of belief in Church teaching. So, when a priest warns them that their behavior is contrary to faith and morals, they believe they can simply reject his words like they would disagree with someone who calling into a sports talk radio program who says something about their team's quarterback that they think is inaccurate. They do not believe they must accept the Church's teachings on faith and morals, and thus they are not Catholics.

    Proof of this usually is that these people believe they can still receive the sacraments despite rejecting the priest's warnings, which shows a lack of belief in Church teaching and making themselves their own rule of faith, which is the very definition of modernism.

    Your wife is probably one of those types, but the sooner you get your priest involved, the sooner the situation can be troubleshooted and the damage can be minimized.
    I agree with the bolded, but I'm not convinced that her rejection of Vatican II is a deception.  Maybe the OP can shed some light on this, but I think the main issue here is her OCD.  She has a sickness which has taken control of her.  She is completely irrational.


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    Re: Wife defrosts meat on the floor
    « Reply #47 on: June 11, 2025, 12:04:02 PM »
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  • I don't know of course, but other than the minor quips posted here, she's probably a good Catholic wife and mother. Have patience with her, she's just a child herself.

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    Re: Wife defrosts meat on the floor
    « Reply #48 on: June 11, 2025, 12:04:56 PM »
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  • This is sad. I see this happen a lot.  I am not sure how the problem can be solved.

    The OP should try to get a priest involved.  If that doesn't work, is there a well respected older couple in the parish that you can speak with?
    The problem only gets solved when it is no longer beneficial for women to divorce.  Most state laws allow divorce for frivolous reasons, and then wives get rewarded with $.  In a catholic country, women wouldn't get much $ at all, and if they got a divorce, would have to support themselves, which most couldn't do.  So it would force spouses to settle disputes and act like adults.  As it is, a divorce is a strong temptation, especially when most women have been indoctrinated with anti-male and anti-patriarchy messaging.  The satanic civil courts are anti-family and promote destruction of society.

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    Re: Wife defrosts meat on the floor
    « Reply #49 on: June 11, 2025, 12:13:33 PM »
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  • After their first child was born, the wife of a friend got pretty "unhinged". It got bad enough that he took her to a doc. They ran a blood panel and found out that she was extremely iron deficient. After some supplements, she was back to normal.


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    Re: Wife defrosts meat on the floor
    « Reply #50 on: June 11, 2025, 12:16:47 PM »
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  • The problem only gets solved when it is no longer beneficial for women to divorce.  Most state laws allow divorce for frivolous reasons, and then wives get rewarded with $.  In a catholic country, women wouldn't get much $ at all, and if they got a divorce, would have to support themselves, which most couldn't do.  So it would force spouses to settle disputes and act like adults.  As it is, a divorce is a strong temptation, especially when most women have been indoctrinated with anti-male and anti-patriarchy messaging.  The satanic civil courts are anti-family and promote destruction of society.
    Yes, but we can't wait around for laws to change.  So how do we help families in our current churches not go down this path?

    We really need to start thinking outside the box.
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"

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    Re: Wife defrosts meat on the floor
    « Reply #51 on: June 11, 2025, 12:17:53 PM »
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  • After their first child was born, the wife of a friend got pretty "unhinged". It got bad enough that he took her to a doc. They ran a blood panel and found out that she was extremely iron deficient. After some supplements, she was back to normal.
    This might be helpful, too.
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"

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    Re: Wife defrosts meat on the floor
    « Reply #52 on: June 11, 2025, 12:18:03 PM »
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  • Yes, but we can't wait around for laws to change.  So how do we help families in our current churches not go down this path?

    We really need to start thinking outside the box.
    Remind them of hell and Divine punishment.  Outside of this, you can't stop free will.


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    Re: Wife defrosts meat on the floor
    « Reply #53 on: June 11, 2025, 12:23:38 PM »
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  • This is why it took me until 33, and finding a homely (though beautiful), maybe even "wet behind the ears" wife who is about 10 years younger than me. 

    University, like a 4 year college one, is a huge red flag to me, personally.

    No reason for post secondary education for a prospective trad catholic wife.. at all.



     

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    Re: Wife defrosts meat on the floor
    « Reply #54 on: June 11, 2025, 12:29:20 PM »
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  • I agree with the bolded, but I'm not convinced that her rejection of Vatican II is a deception.  Maybe the OP can shed some light on this, but I think the main issue here is her OCD.  She has a sickness which has taken control of her.  She is completely irrational.
    OCD is typical of perfectionists.

    I don't want to give bad advice which might backfire, but could the OP perhaps regularly invite friends or neighbours to the home as she reserve this behavior to the home and seems to understand that it's not normal and therefore doesn't behave this way in front of others. 

    It would be difficult to imagine an italian Mamma behaving like this, in a culture people come in and out of the house unannounced thoughout the day.     

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    Re: Wife defrosts meat on the floor
    « Reply #55 on: June 11, 2025, 12:32:04 PM »
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  • If I was to put the meat in the sink she would have a meltdown and would start threatening me with separation. It has happened many times. Plus i can't afford to start any fights with her today. Need to get my son's citizenship and passport squared away tomorrow and she needs to be there with me. She has already threatened she wouldn't go the other day because we were arguing. That's how she rolls. Serious threats if she doesn't get her way. Most men would walk away. Cant do that. I have a son now.
    You need to put your foot down with her. She thinks she can be manipulative and there won’t be consequences. 


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    Re: Wife defrosts meat on the floor
    « Reply #56 on: June 11, 2025, 12:35:01 PM »
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  • Wife defrosts meat on the floor in its packaging that is open.

    Anyone do this?
    Personally I would never do this, my toddler would play with it. I defrost meat in a bowl in the fridge overnight or countertop. 

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    Re: Wife defrosts meat on the floor
    « Reply #57 on: June 11, 2025, 12:42:04 PM »
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  • She does. She cleans pretty much everyday. She doesn't believe in brooms or mops, or swiffers. We have roomba she runs every once in awhile. She cleans the floor with a wet paper towel going back and fourth. The floors are white so that makes it much worse.

    Anything from the outside that comes inside must be cleaned. Certain areas of the home are designated for dirty items that haven't been cleaned or cannot be cleaned. It's not just rules for her, but also for me. If I touch something that is considered dirty, I must wash my hands. If dont and then say, use the restroom, then she will go ballistic because she will have to clean everything I touched. The door handles, the toilet, etc. If I touch the floor with bare feet, I must wash the feet or else I cant lay on the bed. If i go outside and come back inside, I can't touch anything until I wash my hands. Then i must take a shower. Now when we are outside its a different story. No clean rules apply. Its like a double life.
    She sounds controlling and micromanaging. I used to be a germaphobe but it was causing stress and unnecessary arguments that I decided to relax a bit on some things. Maybe your wife grew up having to be super clean? And after we had our first child, I really had to let some things go. Toddlers are messy. And so is having many kids. 

    But I will definitely bring disinfectant wipes whenever we stay at a hotel. 

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    Re: Wife defrosts meat on the floor
    « Reply #58 on: June 11, 2025, 12:49:50 PM »
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  • I saw that you said she wasn’t like this before you got married. Did this kind of behavior start before pregnancy or during or after? Sorry if I missed it.
    I’m just wondering because sometimes when horomones are out of whack or there are nutritional deficiencies a woman can be a whole different person.
    When I am deficient or am having a hard time balancing horomones, internal rage and irrational thoughts are prevalent. I have to constantly work to control it with my will. When I am well balanced I do not have this problem at all. Post partum is the absolute worst time for it. I might suggest asking her what she is taking for supplements and look into what kind of nutrition she is getting.
    I would start off with these gentle measures. It might fix it all. I’d be happy to recommend some supplements.  I agree with some marital counseling from a trusted priest after that. If she really is just this obstinate, I am very sorry. If she is going to leave you over thawing food on the floor, she will do it with everything else. I’d start docuмenting everything. Write down the weird things. I agree with FarmerWife, you should put your foot down. She will either respect your authority or ship out, but if it ends in a battle for the baby, you will have plenty of docuмentation to say she isn’t of sound mind. Im sorry to be forward, but it’s best to be prepared.
    Religion clean and undefiled before God and the Father, is this: to visit the fatherless and widows in their tribulation: and to keep one's self unspotted from this world.
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    Re: Wife defrosts meat on the floor
    « Reply #59 on: June 11, 2025, 12:52:38 PM »
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  • Your only option is to completely dominate as the head of the household. MAKE HER submit to your will. NO MEAT ON THE FLOOR!

    Perhaps a marital whipping is in order ..