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Offline Nadir

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Re: When does gambling become a mortal sin?
« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2024, 06:08:50 AM »
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  • when does gambling become a mortal sin?

    A real life example. 

    A man I know has now gone before the Judge. He had a faithful wife who was burdened with all the worries of living with a gambler. They had nine children, one of whom died of alcoholism, and one by his own hand. 

    I don’t know on how many occasions the whole family was forced to move from home to home, because of his gambling, but more than a few. 

    Gambling irresponsibly is a great cause of suffering and heartache for the loved ones, in fact, a real tragedy.

    Gambling is not a good thing. I wonder why are you asking? If it pertains to your own person you should approach your priest.

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    Re: When does gambling become a mortal sin?
    « Reply #16 on: March 23, 2024, 10:03:49 AM »
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  • when does gambling become a mortal sin?

    A real life example.

    A man I know has now gone before the Judge. He had a faithful wife who was burdened with all the worries of living with a gambler. They had nine children, one of whom died of alcoholism, and one by his own hand.

    I don’t know on how many occasions the whole family was forced to move from home to home, because of his gambling, but more than a few.

    Gambling irresponsibly is a great cause of suffering and heartache for the loved ones, in fact, a real tragedy.

    Gambling is not a good thing. I wonder why are you asking? If it pertains to your own person you should approach your priest.
    Not everyone has a priest that they can ask. And why does it matter why they're asking? 


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    Re: When does gambling become a mortal sin?
    « Reply #17 on: March 29, 2024, 05:36:32 PM »
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  • This logic could also apply to cruises, golf club memberships, jet sky, and other things of the sort, right?
    Of course. "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle" and so on.


    I don't think any of the things you listed are sinful in and of themselves, but naturally, the more money one has, the more they should be putting towards charitable causes. So someone wasting lots of money on luxuries, of which gambling is one, while not aiding his fellow man, would be sinning.

    On the other hand, you can't be expected to spend every cent after necessary expenses/savings on charity. I recall another part of the Gospel where Christ was given an expensive gift and, when a disciple said it could be sold for charity, said "the poor will always be with us" - meaning that no matter how much money you said aside for charity, it will not solve poverty, and that as such there are other uses for money. In that case, it was to show love and appreciation.

    Now, gambling doesn't do show love or anything. But - take for example the Wedding at Cana. Not only did Our Lord tolerate that they were drinking wine to be merry - he even topped them up. And our Church similar has not deemed drinking alcohol for merriment as sinful, but rather has only taught that it's sinful in excess. So, a man who meets friends on a Friday and has a few beers, but who does not get overly drunk or spend beyond his means commits no sin. But then, suppose he has one beer less and buys a lotto ticket instead (these things are of roughly equivalent prices, in my country at least) - why would that then suddenly be a sin? He spent the same money either way, and at least with the ticket he may win something.

    Based on all that, I can only conclude that gambling is not inherently sinful but only becomes sinful when it either prevents one from using that money for a real need (i.e. supporting their family) or when it becomes excessively wasteful or decadent.

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    Re: When does gambling become a mortal sin?
    « Reply #18 on: March 29, 2024, 05:37:14 PM »
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  • That was me, woops. Also I made some typos I want to correct but can no longer.

    Anyway.

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    Re: When does gambling become a mortal sin?
    « Reply #19 on: May 06, 2024, 07:39:34 PM »
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  • The bolded is interesting.  Wouldn't this mean betting and gambling are occasions of sin?
    That's what I'm thinking.


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    Re: When does gambling become a mortal sin?
    « Reply #20 on: May 06, 2024, 08:10:12 PM »
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  • St. Francis de Sales on gambling:

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    CHAPTER XXXII. Of Forbidden Amusements.

    DICE, cards, and the like games of hazard, are not merely dangerous amusements, like dancing, but they are plainly bad and harmful, and therefore they are forbidden by the civil as by the ecclesiastical law. What harm is there in them? you ask. Such games are unreasonable:—the winner often has neither skill nor industry to boast of, which is contrary to reason. You reply that this is understood by those who play. But though that may prove that you are not wronging anybody, it does not prove that the game is in accordance with reason, as victory ought to be the reward of skill or labour, which it cannot be in mere games of chance. Moreover, though such games may be called a recreation, and are intended as such, they are practically an intense occupation. Is it not an occupation, when a man’s mind is kept on the stretch of close attention, and disturbed by endless anxieties, fears and agitations? Who exercises a more dismal, painful attention than the gambler? No one must speak or laugh,—if you do but cough you will annoy him and his companions. The only pleasure in gambling is to win, and [color=var(--ccel-red)]255this cannot be a satisfactory pleasure, since it can only be enjoyed at the expense of your antagonist. Once, when he was very ill, S. Louis heard that his brother the Comte d’Anjou and Messire Gautier de Nemours were gambling, and in spite of his weakness the King tottered into the room where they were, and threw dice and money and everything out of the window, in great indignation. And the pure and pious Sara, in her appeal to God, declared that she had never had dealings with gamblers.[/font][/size][/color]
    Taken from here: St. Francis of Sales: Introduction to the Devout Life - Christian Classics Ethereal Library (ccel.org)
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