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Was this a mortal sin?
« on: March 29, 2024, 03:24:23 PM »
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  • Recently I was scrolling on YouTube and an image of an immodest woman showed up out of nowhere, the image had excited me and stirred up my passions but I scrolled down. Then (out of passion) a few seconds later I scrolled back up to view the image for a few seconds before quickly scrolling away again. I was also resisting and covering the immodest part of the picture when I scrolled up but I gave in and uncovered it and looked for a few seconds at the immodesty before scrolling away a few seconds later. During this ordeal, I had not consented to any impure thoughts regarding the picture in my head. The immodesty in the picture was a woman's clavicle, with a tiny bit of cleavage showing. 

    Then as I scrolled down another image of a different immodest woman showed up out of nowhere, this excited me again and stirred up my passions, I had scrolled away instantly but then scrolled up due to passion, and looked at her for a few seconds before instantly scrolling away again. This time I covered the immodest part the whole time and looked only at her face, but this was still out of passion. Once again I had not consented to any impure thoughts with her. This image was one of a woman in immodest beach clothes.

    Were any of these events mortal sins?


    If you could attach sources for your judgements, such as a quote from a moral theology book, this would be greatly appreciated.


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    Re: Was this a mortal sin?
    « Reply #1 on: March 29, 2024, 04:27:00 PM »
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  • Recently I was scrolling on YouTube and an image of an immodest woman showed up out of nowhere, the image had excited me and stirred up my passions but I scrolled down. Then (out of passion) a few seconds later I scrolled back up to view the image for a few seconds before quickly scrolling away again. I was also resisting and covering the immodest part of the picture when I scrolled up but I gave in and uncovered it and looked for a few seconds at the immodesty before scrolling away a few seconds later. During this ordeal, I had not consented to any impure thoughts regarding the picture in my head. The immodesty in the picture was a woman's clavicle, with a tiny bit of cleavage showing.

    Then as I scrolled down another image of a different immodest woman showed up out of nowhere, this excited me again and stirred up my passions, I had scrolled away instantly but then scrolled up due to passion, and looked at her for a few seconds before instantly scrolling away again. This time I covered the immodest part the whole time and looked only at her face, but this was still out of passion. Once again I had not consented to any impure thoughts with her. This image was one of a woman in immodest beach clothes.

    Were any of these events mortal sins?


    If you could attach sources for your judgements, such as a quote from a moral theology book, this would be greatly appreciated.

    Go ask a priest in the confessional. 
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?


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    Re: Was this a mortal sin?
    « Reply #2 on: March 29, 2024, 04:40:10 PM »
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  • It seems that you willingly put yourself into the near occasion of sin, and by willingly doing so, you committed sin, but I don't know if that is a mortal sin or venial sin. Ask a traditional priest. 

    Blessed Mary's mantle protect you from near occasion of sin. Amen.
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    Re: Was this a mortal sin?
    « Reply #3 on: March 29, 2024, 05:21:41 PM »
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    Re: Was this a mortal sin?
    « Reply #4 on: March 29, 2024, 05:41:38 PM »
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  • Recently I was scrolling on YouTube and an image of an immodest woman showed up out of nowhere, the image had excited me and stirred up my passions but I scrolled down. Then (out of passion) a few seconds later I scrolled back up to view the image for a few seconds before quickly scrolling away again. I was also resisting and covering the immodest part of the picture when I scrolled up but I gave in and uncovered it and looked for a few seconds at the immodesty before scrolling away a few seconds later. During this ordeal, I had not consented to any impure thoughts regarding the picture in my head. The immodesty in the picture was a woman's clavicle, with a tiny bit of cleavage showing.

    Then as I scrolled down another image of a different immodest woman showed up out of nowhere, this excited me again and stirred up my passions, I had scrolled away instantly but then scrolled up due to passion, and looked at her for a few seconds before instantly scrolling away again. This time I covered the immodest part the whole time and looked only at her face, but this was still out of passion. Once again I had not consented to any impure thoughts with her. This image was one of a woman in immodest beach clothes.

    Were any of these events mortal sins?


    If you could attach sources for your judgements, such as a quote from a moral theology book, this would be greatly appreciated.
    Sounds like a venial sin as you did not give full consent to will and did not have impure thoughts.

    Like the others have mentioned confessing to a priest will be useful, he will probably give you a similar answer as I have gone through a similar situation a few times.

    To avoid this sin, don't use the YouTube app, disable the app on your phone and only use youtube on a browser so you can run ublock origin.
    If you are on mobile you have 2 options for browsers for blocking. Firefox allows extensions on mobile except for IOS, otherwise brave browser has a built in add blocker which also works on IOS.


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    Re: Was this a mortal sin?
    « Reply #5 on: March 29, 2024, 05:50:38 PM »
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  • I you went back for a second look without a darn good reason to justify it, then it was definitely deliberate viewing of immodest pictures. That's two instances. Next time don't look back.

    Use Invidious instead of going to YouTube directly.

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    Re: Was this a mortal sin?
    « Reply #6 on: March 29, 2024, 06:32:52 PM »
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  • If you want a correct answer, ask a Priest, why would you take answers from laymen?

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    Re: Was this a mortal sin?
    « Reply #7 on: March 29, 2024, 07:13:03 PM »
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  • Sounds like a venial sin as you did not give full consent to will and did not have impure thoughts.

    Like the others have mentioned confessing to a priest will be useful, he will probably give you a similar answer as I have gone through a similar situation a few times.

    To avoid this sin, don't use the YouTube app, disable the app on your phone and only use youtube on a browser so you can run ublock origin.
    If you are on mobile you have 2 options for browsers for blocking. Firefox allows extensions on mobile except for IOS, otherwise brave browser has a built in add blocker which also works on IOS.
    Youtube thumbnails can have immodest pictures.


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    Re: Was this a mortal sin?
    « Reply #8 on: March 29, 2024, 09:27:07 PM »
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  • Youtube thumbnails can have immodest pictures.
    Adverts in shopping centres can have immodest pictures etc, it's impossible to avoid everything. You don't want to become scrupulous.

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    Re: Was this a mortal sin?
    « Reply #9 on: March 29, 2024, 09:40:13 PM »
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  • Go ask a priest in the confessional.
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    Re: Was this a mortal sin?
    « Reply #10 on: March 30, 2024, 04:24:37 AM »
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  • I you went back for a second look without a darn good reason to justify it, then it was definitely deliberate viewing of immodest pictures. That's two instances. Next time don't look back.

    Use Invidious instead of going to YouTube directly.
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    From The Necessity Of The Virtue Of Chasity And How To Attain It

    Tertullian relates that a certain pagan philosopher, plucked out his eyes in order to preserve chastity. This is not lawful for us, but if we wish to avoid sins against purity, we must abstain from looking at women, and still more, from looking at them a second time.
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse


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    Re: Was this a mortal sin?
    « Reply #11 on: March 30, 2024, 11:27:29 AM »
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  • Read this thread, it discusses a similar situation:

    https://www.cathinfo.com/anonymous-posts-allowed/did-i-commit-mortal-sin/30/

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    Re: Was this a mortal sin?
    « Reply #12 on: March 30, 2024, 11:29:48 AM »
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  • Based on the description, I would personally opine that it was a venial sin, but the ultimate decision would obviously be with a priest.  In the meantime, if you can't get to Confession before your next opportunity to receive Holy Communion, you do have to make a judgment call.  If you tend to be scruplous, your Confessor may have in the past told you to not refrain from Holy Communion unless you were SURE (could swear to him) that you committed a mortal sin.  If you tend to be lax (doesn't sound like it at all given that you're asking and concerned), your Confessor may advise you to judge in favor of having committed a mortal sin if there's doubt.

    Basically, what you're describing is a doubtful conscience, and a scrupulous person or sensitive person (well balanced) might resolve the doubt one way, and a lax person the other way.  Given that you care and are asking, you are either scrupulous or have a sensitive conscience.  And I suscpect that you did not at any time clearly and deliberately do something that you knew to be a mortal sin, especially given the fact that you were taking some steps to mitigate the possibility of grave sin, e.g. by "covering the immodest part".  I would personally put this in the category of a venial sin of "impure curiosity", similar to a temptation, but with some cooperation on your part, even if it was in a confused and unclear manner, thus the venial sin aspect.

    Of course, this is my personal opinion and I defer to your confessor.  If I had been in the same situation, given past advice from my Confessor, I would make an act of contrition, resolve to avoid the occasion of sin going forward, and not refrain from Holy Communion, having judged it a venial sin.

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    Re: Was this a mortal sin?
    « Reply #13 on: March 30, 2024, 01:39:47 PM »
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  • I don’t believe it’s a mortal sin either. Now if you would given in to the temptation through let’s say masturbation then yes. I would ask the priest in confession as well.

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    Re: Was this a mortal sin?
    « Reply #14 on: March 30, 2024, 01:45:23 PM »
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  • I don’t believe it’s a mortal sin either. Now if you would given in to the temptation through let’s say masturbation then yes. I would ask the priest in confession as well.

    Well, the sin needn't become physical to possibly commit a mortal sin, as there can be mortal sins of thought alone as well, but what OP described doesn't sound like it.