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Traditional Church Teaching on Moslems
« on: June 11, 2019, 12:07:14 PM »
I'm making this an anonymous thread because I would very much appreciate an answer to this and am afraid that if the men here who would be able to answer this saw who started the thread, they'd ignore it.

Would some knowledgeable men here be so kind as to lay out here what the Church always taught regarding the moslems?  Please?

Has the Church always taught that we worship the same God?  If so, how do they account for their female genital mutilation, incest, pedophilia, killing of non-moslems, just to name a few things?

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Re: Traditional Church Teaching on Moslems
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2019, 01:06:10 PM »
The essencial and basics are Muslims worship "Allah" and his prophet muhammed. Catholics worship the trinity: the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit all equally. Moslems reject the trinity. Moslems do not worship the same God as us, they worship a false man made created God. 

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"Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; whoever confesses the Son has the Father as well. " 1 John 2:23
This was always the true teaching of the church that the Muslims are heathens and infidels, only with the second vatican council and modernism which opened the doors for ecuмenism is that this is questioned by heretics.


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Re: Traditional Church Teaching on Moslems
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2019, 01:25:42 PM »
The essencial and basics are Muslims worship "Allah" and his prophet muhammed. Catholics worship the trinity: the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit all equally. Moslems reject the trinity. Moslems do not worship the same God as us, they worship a false man made created God.
This was always the true teaching of the church that the Muslims are heathens and infidels, only with the second vatican council and modernism which opened the doors for ecuмenism is that this is questioned by heretics.
Thank you.  That is where I'm getting confused - I never remember before VII being taught we all worship the same God and that we're all on the same page.
This came up on account of the allegedly "hard hitting" docuмent "Declaration of Truths" submitted by those alleged bastions of orthodoxy in the Church, Cardinal Burke and Bishop Athanasius Schneider, among others.  They included something to the effect that Muslims do not offer to God the same supernatural worship as do Christians, which was news to me that the Church ever taught they offered anything to God.

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Re: Traditional Church Teaching on Moslems
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2019, 01:44:50 PM »


Council of FlorenceCantate Domino (1441): "The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the "eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels" (Matthew 25:41), unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church." The same council also ruled that those who die in original sin, but without mortal sin, will also find punishment in hell, but unequally: "But the souls of those who depart this life in actual mortal sin, or in original sin alone, go down straightaway to hell to be punished, but with unequal pains."

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Re: Traditional Church Teaching on Moslems
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2019, 02:57:54 PM »
I'm making this an anonymous thread because I would very much appreciate an answer to this and am afraid that if the men here who would be able to answer this saw who started the thread, they'd ignore it.

Would some knowledgeable men here be so kind as to lay out here what the Church always taught regarding the moslems?  Please?

Has the Church always taught that we worship the same God?  If so, how do they account for their female genital mutilation, incest, pedophilia, killing of non-moslems, just to name a few things?
The Church teaches that the Moslems do not worship the same God. I know several Muslims, and they also acknowledge this. They would be the first to declare this.