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Re: Traditional Catholic AA
« Reply #15 on: March 31, 2025, 03:06:39 PM »
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  • The Solution came with Our Lord's Precious Blood, and His Mother Co-Redemptorix, before AA ever came la long.  Our Lady's Rosary is not stupid (calling Songbird an idiot) name calling is not good; OABrownson1876

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    Re: Traditional Catholic AA
    « Reply #16 on: April 01, 2025, 12:15:24 AM »
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  • First point is, someone has mentioned that A.A. has low success rates, but this is nothing to the point.  I do not blame weight rooms because we have a bunch of fat people roaming about in society. In the early days A.A. had very high success rates, 50-75 percent.  Today the judges and lawyers mandate that drunks do A.A. meetings; e.g. Johnny has had one too many DUI's, so the judge mandates that he go to AA for thirty days. The truth is Johnny is not done drinking.  But A.A. is not to blame, that is ridiculous.

    Alcoholics Anonymous was founded in 1935, and countless "Traditional Catholics" have frequented A.A. and put together substantial periods of sobriety.  Fr. Ralph Pfau was the first priest to get sober in A.A. in November, 1941, and he died sober in 1967.  He gave A.A. retreats all over America.  If A.A. were filled with Freemasons and dangerous for Catholics, as some of you foolishly claim, then I doubt these priests and lay Catholics would invest so much time and energy in A.A. A.A. is not a religious organization and has never claimed to be, hence Catholics are not in endangering their Faith by A.A. attendance.

    I have noticed in this Anonymous thread (I have no idea why it is anonymous) that some of you are offering immature, uninformed opinions about something you know very little about.  It was always our impression that if one were ignorant about a topic then he ought to listen in humble silence to those who do know something, and not blather useless opinions, and dangerous opinions at that.  I would never tell an alcoholic Catholic not to go to A.A.  That is terrible advice. 


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    Re: Traditional Catholic AA
    « Reply #17 on: April 01, 2025, 12:48:06 AM »
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  • Thankfully, I have never had to avail myself of their services, I hardly ever even drink, but I find their 12 steps to be similar to the Ignatian general examen.  Regrettably, the higher power to which they refer is not defined in terms of the Holy Trinity, but taking it just as it is, it is difficult to find any fault with it.

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    Re: Traditional Catholic AA
    « Reply #18 on: April 01, 2025, 05:32:24 AM »
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  • Are there any members here struggling with alcohol? I just went to an AA meeting and one person held up a picture of her dead cat and said that was her "higher power". She said she prayed to her dead cat for help to stop
    Drinking. Also the leader of the meeting trash talked the Catholic church and then said here "higher power" was a triangular tattoo on her arm she named "Grace". She said her tattoo was an angel and could be borrowed by other members. Other members mentioned bhuddism as helping them but they obviously had a sophomoric understanding of the teachings of that false religion.

    This nonsensical indifferatism is in every AA meeting.

    I am thinking of starting a traditional Catholic Alcohol Abstinence group if there is a need for it. The meetings would be held on zoom.

    Let me know if you would be interested in something like this.
    I have known traditional Catholics who have really struggled with drinking too much and it would be nice if there was a traditional Catholic version of the AA.  

    Prayers for you and that you find a good Catholic support group with people who are more helpful and understanding.  :pray:
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    Re: Traditional Catholic AA
    « Reply #19 on: April 04, 2025, 11:25:27 PM »
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  • AA is sort of cringe. One time this Puerto Rican chick announced boldly, "Jesus is my Higherpower. That's my guy" and there were audible groans and some awkward silence. Like what? Yea she is probably a protestant but that indifference turned me off big time.

    I will say that the Lord had me go through AA to prepare me to become a TradCath because I did a lot of self reflection, praying, volunteering, etc. that in a Catholic context was much easier to do and way more fulfilling. (type/shadow)
    Another good thing I will say about AA is the 11th step prayer is the Saint Francis of Assisi prayer. This eventually helped my conversion. 

    For you OP just ask Our Blessed Lady to help you and pray your rosary ardently. I would be down to pray it with you if you ever need a Catholic friend in recovery. Just PM me. :pray:
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    Re: Traditional Catholic AA
    « Reply #20 on: April 06, 2025, 05:00:35 AM »
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  • Are there any members here struggling with alcohol? I just went to an AA meeting and one person held up a picture of her dead cat and said that was her "higher power". She said she prayed to her dead cat for help to stop
    Drinking. Also the leader of the meeting trash talked the Catholic church and then said here "higher power" was a triangular tattoo on her arm she named "Grace". She said her tattoo was an angel and could be borrowed by other members. Other members mentioned bhuddism as helping them but they obviously had a sophomoric understanding of the teachings of that false religion.

    This nonsensical indifferatism is in every AA meeting.

    I am thinking of starting a traditional Catholic Alcohol Abstinence group if there is a need for it. The meetings would be held on zoom.

    Let me know if you would be interested in something like this.
    I got in trouble when I was younger and had to attend an AA meeting, by the time I got out of there, I needed a drink.
     
    Just a complete clown show.

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    Re: Traditional Catholic AA
    « Reply #21 on: April 20, 2025, 06:31:25 AM »
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  • Those who have gained the victory over addiction through Our Lord Jesus Christ are icons of His Resurrection. 
    May He Be forever blessed and praised.
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    Re: Traditional Catholic AA
    « Reply #22 on: April 20, 2025, 07:09:31 AM »
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  • Prayers and go cold turkey.  



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    Re: Traditional Catholic AA
    « Reply #23 on: April 20, 2025, 08:04:47 AM »
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  • Let me ask a question:  If you are addicted to food and overweight - and most of America is - is it wrong to go to Overeaters Anonymous?  I knew a guy in O.A. who lost 500 lbs. in O.A.  Some of you in this thread have a mistaken notion that Anonymous groups are types of religious organizations, and it is simply not the case.  Sure, the man who cannot stop cramming food in his face can say to himself, "Well, I will just eat three moderate meals a day, no sugary snacks."  All is fine and well, but at the end of the day if he has a support group and accountability to others, his food addiction will be much more manageable. 

    If it were enough to just say the Rosary and go to Mass, as some of you here suggest, then Fr. Ralph Pfau, the first priest in A.A. (he got sober in 1941), would have never gone to A.A. meetings.  As far as I know he said Mass every day and probably said his rosary too.  The same can be said about thousands of pre-Vatican II Catholics who attended meetings and put together substantial periods of sobriety. 
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    Re: Traditional Catholic AA
    « Reply #24 on: April 21, 2025, 02:17:26 PM »
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  • Truth is, the powers come from the Precious Blood of Jesus Christ.  D.A.R.E. a group to dare kids to stay away from drugs.  Proved it never worked. Dare taught that "we" have the power to say "no".  The money for these programs, our federal $$ in schools made an untruth taught.  A lie.  Money abused, and abused the kids.

    Truth will always be, Powers of the Precious Blood of Jesus Christ.

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    Re: Traditional Catholic AA
    « Reply #25 on: April 21, 2025, 03:12:08 PM »
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  • Humanity is part physical and part spiritual.  The spiritual side of things is the most important but you also need physical help.  AA is the physical part of help and it works, especially for those who pray.  God often works through physical things.   We depend on prayer ALONE, only when we’ve exhausted all other physical options. 

    It’s a form of Jansenism to think that prayer ALONE is the solution to most problems.  


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    Re: Traditional Catholic AA
    « Reply #26 on: April 21, 2025, 03:33:22 PM »
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  • I offer my personal experience as I grew up in a "12 Step" family and was forced to attend Alateen when I was 13.  I have also attended other groups for adults over the years.  They are all the same all over the country, no difference.

    I would avoid all 12 Step groups for one reason alone:  they are immoral even ones held in Catholic Churches.  Each meeting will be filled with graphic sɛҳuąƖ discussion that will not be censored and the groups are rife with adultery and inappropriate relationships.  gαy grooming took place in the Alateen group my mom forced me to attend.  You will lose any innocence you might have.  One of my family members had affairs with other attendees as alcoholism and sɛҳuąƖ licentiousness seem to go hand in hand.  There is frequent monkey branching within the groups so people seem to try out each other.  It's very difficult to be in a recovery group when half the attendees have slept with each other.  Also, at the end of each meeting everyone wants to hug and that is the pretext to inappropriate physical contact.  Men will even take the opportunity to grope women or not let go. Many woman alcoholics are looking for their next meal ticket as they usually are irresponsible with money.  Laugh if you want at what I say but it's the truth.

    If you are serious about your Catholic faith and morals I would not choose 12 Step as a tool for recovery.  If you must, then try online AA meetings which you can find here

    https://aa-intergroup.org/meetings/

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    Re: Traditional Catholic AA
    « Reply #27 on: April 21, 2025, 06:29:12 PM »
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  • Every single meeting was filled with graphic immature content?  No exceptions?

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    Re: Traditional Catholic AA
    « Reply #28 on: April 25, 2025, 09:02:20 PM »
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  • Many years ago, before Vatican II, a group known as the Sacred Heart Group was formed for those with Addictions.  Members were advised to get as many sacraments as possible. I don't know anything else, but the True Church did care for those with addictions. They had meetings. Yes, they are needed.  

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    Re: Traditional Catholic AA
    « Reply #29 on: April 25, 2025, 09:03:59 PM »
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  • Just Know, that all the sacraments have the Precious Blood, and it includes the rosary (a sacramental).  With the help of the sacraments and rosaries, guidance and direction can come to light.