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Traditional Catholic Faith => Anσnymσus Posts Allowed => Topic started by: Änσnymσus on March 30, 2025, 02:34:21 PM
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Are there any members here struggling with alcohol? I just went to an AA meeting and one person held up a picture of her dead cat and said that was her "higher power". She said she prayed to her dead cat for help to stop
Drinking. Also the leader of the meeting trash talked the Catholic church and then said here "higher power" was a triangular tattoo on her arm she named "Grace". She said her tattoo was an angel and could be borrowed by other members. Other members mentioned bhuddism as helping them but they obviously had a sophomoric understanding of the teachings of that false religion.
This nonsensical indifferatism is in every AA meeting.
I am thinking of starting a traditional Catholic Alcohol Abstinence group if there is a need for it. The meetings would be held on zoom.
Let me know if you would be interested in something like this.
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AA is Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ. When the Catholic Church dealt with this issue, there was group of the Sacred Heart of Jesus. those who were members for help followed the instructions: receive the sacraments as much as possible. The sacraments have the Precious Blood of Jesus Christ. Power is in the Blood, in all the sacraments.
Now, the Holy Rosary has the Precious Blood, however, it is a sacramental. Our Lady said one day the Scapular and the Holy Rosary will save you. Prefect contrition.
AA will say maybe a percentage will be cured. I would like to think that that % are catholics following the instructions given to us. You are in a spiritual battle like everyone is. I recommend the Total Consecration, and the little book The Secret of the Rosary. The Power is in the Blood, in the Rosary if you are not able to have sacraments.
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Just know that New Order, has no sacraments, they will be of no help, period!
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No insults, stay away from dioceses, they are no help, and can only make matters worse, they are Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ
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No indults.
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A late friend of mine, who was a traditionalist and a member of our HNS, had a son who sadly predeceased him due to alcohol and drug abuse. He was vehemently against AA and the other secular run 12 step programs. He was a promoter of David Cannane and his book, "The Hook & I."(2008) Here's a description of the book from a bookseller (no copies available, but I checked, and it is available thru other sellers)
The Hook and I: A Catholic 12-Step Program by David Cannane, Paperback, 9781438928081 | Buy online at The Nile (https://www.thenile.com.au/books/david-cannane/the-hook-and-i-a-catholic-12-step-program/9781438928081)
The Hook and I describes a 12-Step Recovery Program using traditional Catholic spirituality in an integrated approach that restores the entire 12-step recovery concept to its original Catholic roots in order to attack addictions by addressing the weaknesses of the soul, especially against "The Hook". More than a method to simply conquer an addiction, this technique of struggling against a "Hook" is used, first of all, to overcome the addiction, second, to grow in sanctity by striving for perfection and holiness, and thirdly, to give God glory for the graces He lovingly bestows on souls struggling against addictions. "The Hook", which can be any sinful addiction, is that primary means by which Satan uses to pull souls from the waters of sanctifying grace. The Hook is as much a permanent part of the soul as the temperament so that it can never really be removed; we can only cut the "fishing line of temptation" and to trim it as close to the hook as possible so that we are rarely, if ever, "reeled in" to the state of sin again. Written in conversational style yet true to Catholic teaching, "The Hook and I" covers the fight against a hook every step of the way, from "running aground" through each of the steps necessary to strengthen the soul to gain mastery over the Hook to the subsequent stages of using the success against the Hook as the springboard to holiness and the pursuit of perfection." The Hook and I" was written as an apostolate of the Blessed Margaret Family Help Center, Inc, a non-profit 501(c)3 corporation to help families, both in and out of crisis, using traditional Catholic teachings. All royalties from the sale of The Hook and I go to finance the Center's activities."
The Help Center's website with contact info:
Blessed Margaret Family Help Center, Inc | The Hook and I (https://www.blmargaret.org/)
CONTACT
Address: 26797 Frederick Avenue, Columbia Station, OH 44028
Phone: (937) 450-1618
Email: support@blmargaret.org (support@blmargaret.org)
I hope this is of some help. God bless.
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It appears that Blessed Margaret Health center, is catholic charities. Check it out. If they are of catholic charities, IMO they are not catholic for the charities get grants from federal and federal does the agenda of non-catholic ways.
They must come right out and say that the solution is.... and it must be Our Lady!! It must be the sacrament of not the new order.
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I have been sober nine years. Songbird is an idiot. AA is not a religious organization. Are there freemasons in AA, of course. So what. AA was founded in 1935 and Catholics were attending AA long before the Vatican II Council ever happened, and they were doing so cuм permisso superiorum. I have several Catholic converts from AA.
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The definition of allergy is, "Any food, drink, or other substance which I put in my body which causes an abnormal reaction." The normal drinker drinks a couple of drinks in the evening and goes to bed because he gets drowsy - alcohol is a depressant. The abnormal drinker, the alcoholic, consumes alcohol and it produces the phenomena of craving. Alcohol for the alcoholic does not act like a depressant, but a stimulant. Dr. William Silkworth, in the 1930's, was the first American physician to identify alcoholism as an allergy, and, I concur, he is right.
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It appears that Blessed Margaret Health center, is catholic charities. Check it out. If they are of catholic charities, IMO they are not catholic for the charities get grants from federal and federal does the agenda of non-catholic ways.
They must come right out and say that the solution is.... and it must be Our Lady!! It must be the sacrament of not the new order.
I understand and I agree. From what I remember (It's been 17 years or so) frequent confession and receiving the Sacraments were emphasized. I would think you'd need to have a trad priest as a confessor available to you for more than once a week, which is quite rare in most of the US. My friend's son was, shall we say, was barely Novus Ordo. AA and 12 step programs were nothing but opportunities to share tales of drunkenness. The OP was seemingly looking for another option, and I felt my suggestion would perhaps be helpful.
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Are there any members here struggling with alcohol? I just went to an AA meeting and one person held up a picture of her dead cat and said that was her "higher power". She said she prayed to her dead cat for help to stop
Drinking. Also the leader of the meeting trash talked the Catholic church and then said here "higher power" was a triangular tattoo on her arm she named "Grace". She said her tattoo was an angel and could be borrowed by other members. Other members mentioned bhuddism as helping them but they obviously had a sophomoric understanding of the teachings of that false religion.
This nonsensical indifferatism is in every AA meeting.
I am thinking of starting a traditional Catholic Alcohol Abstinence group if there is a need for it. The meetings would be held on zoom.
Let me know if you would be interested in something like this.
You have to remember, many of these people coming into Alcoholics Anonymous do not have the same luxury as you, of being a traditional Catholic. Because Cindy talks about her cat being a higher power, let her rant. If she stays sober, and if you stay sober, you will be able to help her in her primitive beliefs as she becomes more sober. You must remember what Ven. Matt Talbot said, "The alcoholic is a very sick person, and for him to not drink one day at a time is a greater miracle than raising a man from the dead." That is what he said. AA is a very fertile ground for converts, but if you do not stay sober yourself, well, you will probably lose your soul and lose any potential fruits in AA. Hope this helps.
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Please see my signature line.
OP did not indicate whether he is a he or she is a she.
I found AA to be somewhat helpful, though my primary support group is a self-styled one, comprised of Catholics. Some of you reading this are among them.
There is a Jesuit retreat house just over a mile from where I live, on the grounds of which is a statue of Matt Talbot. I frequently visit him.
Cheers.
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The above is mine.
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I'm just glad the awful hangovers I always got from drinking, over-ruled whatever joy I got from drinking. If it weren't for the hangovers, I am pretty darn sure that I would have been an alcoholic a long time ago.
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The success rate of AA is abysmal.
The Sinclair Method has scientific proof that it works in 75%+ cases.
https://www.sinclairmethod.org
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The Solution came with Our Lord's Precious Blood, and His Mother Co-Redemptorix, before AA ever came la long. Our Lady's Rosary is not stupid (calling Songbird an idiot) name calling is not good; OABrownson1876
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First point is, someone has mentioned that A.A. has low success rates, but this is nothing to the point. I do not blame weight rooms because we have a bunch of fat people roaming about in society. In the early days A.A. had very high success rates, 50-75 percent. Today the judges and lawyers mandate that drunks do A.A. meetings; e.g. Johnny has had one too many DUI's, so the judge mandates that he go to AA for thirty days. The truth is Johnny is not done drinking. But A.A. is not to blame, that is ridiculous.
Alcoholics Anonymous was founded in 1935, and countless "Traditional Catholics" have frequented A.A. and put together substantial periods of sobriety. Fr. Ralph Pfau was the first priest to get sober in A.A. in November, 1941, and he died sober in 1967. He gave A.A. retreats all over America. If A.A. were filled with Freemasons and dangerous for Catholics, as some of you foolishly claim, then I doubt these priests and lay Catholics would invest so much time and energy in A.A. A.A. is not a religious organization and has never claimed to be, hence Catholics are not in endangering their Faith by A.A. attendance.
I have noticed in this Anonymous thread (I have no idea why it is anonymous) that some of you are offering immature, uninformed opinions about something you know very little about. It was always our impression that if one were ignorant about a topic then he ought to listen in humble silence to those who do know something, and not blather useless opinions, and dangerous opinions at that. I would never tell an alcoholic Catholic not to go to A.A. That is terrible advice.
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Thankfully, I have never had to avail myself of their services, I hardly ever even drink, but I find their 12 steps to be similar to the Ignatian general examen. Regrettably, the higher power to which they refer is not defined in terms of the Holy Trinity, but taking it just as it is, it is difficult to find any fault with it.
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Are there any members here struggling with alcohol? I just went to an AA meeting and one person held up a picture of her dead cat and said that was her "higher power". She said she prayed to her dead cat for help to stop
Drinking. Also the leader of the meeting trash talked the Catholic church and then said here "higher power" was a triangular tattoo on her arm she named "Grace". She said her tattoo was an angel and could be borrowed by other members. Other members mentioned bhuddism as helping them but they obviously had a sophomoric understanding of the teachings of that false religion.
This nonsensical indifferatism is in every AA meeting.
I am thinking of starting a traditional Catholic Alcohol Abstinence group if there is a need for it. The meetings would be held on zoom.
Let me know if you would be interested in something like this.
I have known traditional Catholics who have really struggled with drinking too much and it would be nice if there was a traditional Catholic version of the AA.
Prayers for you and that you find a good Catholic support group with people who are more helpful and understanding. :pray:
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AA is sort of cringe. One time this Puerto Rican chick announced boldly, "Jesus is my Higherpower. That's my guy" and there were audible groans and some awkward silence. Like what? Yea she is probably a protestant but that indifference turned me off big time.
I will say that the Lord had me go through AA to prepare me to become a TradCath because I did a lot of self reflection, praying, volunteering, etc. that in a Catholic context was much easier to do and way more fulfilling. (type/shadow)
Another good thing I will say about AA is the 11th step prayer is the Saint Francis of Assisi prayer. This eventually helped my conversion.
For you OP just ask Our Blessed Lady to help you and pray your rosary ardently. I would be down to pray it with you if you ever need a Catholic friend in recovery. Just PM me. :pray:
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Are there any members here struggling with alcohol? I just went to an AA meeting and one person held up a picture of her dead cat and said that was her "higher power". She said she prayed to her dead cat for help to stop
Drinking. Also the leader of the meeting trash talked the Catholic church and then said here "higher power" was a triangular tattoo on her arm she named "Grace". She said her tattoo was an angel and could be borrowed by other members. Other members mentioned bhuddism as helping them but they obviously had a sophomoric understanding of the teachings of that false religion.
This nonsensical indifferatism is in every AA meeting.
I am thinking of starting a traditional Catholic Alcohol Abstinence group if there is a need for it. The meetings would be held on zoom.
Let me know if you would be interested in something like this.
I got in trouble when I was younger and had to attend an AA meeting, by the time I got out of there, I needed a drink.
Just a complete clown show.
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Those who have gained the victory over addiction through Our Lord Jesus Christ are icons of His Resurrection.
May He Be forever blessed and praised.
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Prayers and go cold turkey.
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Let me ask a question: If you are addicted to food and overweight - and most of America is - is it wrong to go to Overeaters Anonymous? I knew a guy in O.A. who lost 500 lbs. in O.A. Some of you in this thread have a mistaken notion that Anonymous groups are types of religious organizations, and it is simply not the case. Sure, the man who cannot stop cramming food in his face can say to himself, "Well, I will just eat three moderate meals a day, no sugary snacks." All is fine and well, but at the end of the day if he has a support group and accountability to others, his food addiction will be much more manageable.
If it were enough to just say the Rosary and go to Mass, as some of you here suggest, then Fr. Ralph Pfau, the first priest in A.A. (he got sober in 1941), would have never gone to A.A. meetings. As far as I know he said Mass every day and probably said his rosary too. The same can be said about thousands of pre-Vatican II Catholics who attended meetings and put together substantial periods of sobriety.
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Truth is, the powers come from the Precious Blood of Jesus Christ. D.A.R.E. a group to dare kids to stay away from drugs. Proved it never worked. Dare taught that "we" have the power to say "no". The money for these programs, our federal $$ in schools made an untruth taught. A lie. Money abused, and abused the kids.
Truth will always be, Powers of the Precious Blood of Jesus Christ.
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Humanity is part physical and part spiritual. The spiritual side of things is the most important but you also need physical help. AA is the physical part of help and it works, especially for those who pray. God often works through physical things. We depend on prayer ALONE, only when we’ve exhausted all other physical options.
It’s a form of Jansenism to think that prayer ALONE is the solution to most problems.
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I offer my personal experience as I grew up in a "12 Step" family and was forced to attend Alateen when I was 13. I have also attended other groups for adults over the years. They are all the same all over the country, no difference.
I would avoid all 12 Step groups for one reason alone: they are immoral even ones held in Catholic Churches. Each meeting will be filled with graphic sɛҳuąƖ discussion that will not be censored and the groups are rife with adultery and inappropriate relationships. gαy grooming took place in the Alateen group my mom forced me to attend. You will lose any innocence you might have. One of my family members had affairs with other attendees as alcoholism and sɛҳuąƖ licentiousness seem to go hand in hand. There is frequent monkey branching within the groups so people seem to try out each other. It's very difficult to be in a recovery group when half the attendees have slept with each other. Also, at the end of each meeting everyone wants to hug and that is the pretext to inappropriate physical contact. Men will even take the opportunity to grope women or not let go. Many woman alcoholics are looking for their next meal ticket as they usually are irresponsible with money. Laugh if you want at what I say but it's the truth.
If you are serious about your Catholic faith and morals I would not choose 12 Step as a tool for recovery. If you must, then try online AA meetings which you can find here
https://aa-intergroup.org/meetings/
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Every single meeting was filled with graphic immature content? No exceptions?
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Many years ago, before Vatican II, a group known as the Sacred Heart Group was formed for those with Addictions. Members were advised to get as many sacraments as possible. I don't know anything else, but the True Church did care for those with addictions. They had meetings. Yes, they are needed.
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Just Know, that all the sacraments have the Precious Blood, and it includes the rosary (a sacramental). With the help of the sacraments and rosaries, guidance and direction can come to light.
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When I had a near-death experience related to my alcohol use, I initially sought help from women-only groups. They were, to a man, infested with feminists and yoganauts. Although, to be fair, some of them had many helpful tips and insights.
The keyword for those babes is Empowerment. If God wills, I'd like either to form a group or write a piece on the Blessed Virgin Mary as the most empowered woman in history. She can help with addiction and with recovery from feminism. She is after all, Virgo Potens, Virgin Most Powerful.
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I have been sober over 12 years in AA. I certainly wouldn't be Catholic without AA and I'd probably be dead in hell for all eternity. It will introduce a person to many opportunities for corporal and spiritual works of mercy. For anyone with a drinking problem feel free to PM me.
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I have never been drunk in my life. Thank God my bad habits are of another kind, but you people should be careful to give extreme, puritanical advices like some in this thread. Alcoholism destroys lives and families. AA is not sinful per se, as far as I know, so let people do whatever they need to stay sober, as long as it is not sinful. Not everything that is secular is bad.
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In Louisville, Ky, for instance, there are 400-500 A.A. meetings a week. Some of you in this thread say, "all A.A. meetings are immoral...blah, blah, blah." I know a guy who got sober in 1961, and at the time there were 17 A.A. meetings in the Louisville area. Are you telling me that A.A. meetings were immoral in 1961. Absolute rubbish. Are there people in A.A. who blaspheme, fornicate, etc.? Absolutely. Are there traditional Catholics in A.A. who do not do these things? Absolutely. What is the point here? It is completely illogical to demean an organization because some of its members are immoral. If the truth be told the majority of baptized Catholics in America are immoral. Does this mean that I should not become a Catholic because the majority of its members are immoral?
A.A. in its own literature does not promote any religion and its sole purpose is to "help alcoholics achieve sobriety." And besides each A.A. meeting is "autonomous" meaning that the homegroup members of that particular meeting can establish rules particular to that meeting. You can have a meeting with "no cussing," "men only," "women only," "a shirt and tie meeting," etc. If you want a little A.A. history, there was a meeting in the 60's where they actually had a beer machine. Put your money in and get a beer. Some alcoholics wrote to New York City (headquarters) and said, "We do not think that an A.A. meeting should be serving beer." Central Office replied, "While we do not recommend that an A.A. meeting should serve beer, however, each A.A. group is autonomous and can create its own rules so long as it does not violate A.A.'s Traditions."