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Traditional Catholic AA
« on: March 30, 2025, 02:34:21 PM »
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    • Are there any members here struggling with alcohol? I just went to an AA meeting and one person held up a picture of her dead cat and said that was her "higher power". She said she prayed to her dead cat for help to stop
    Drinking. Also the leader of the meeting trash talked the Catholic church and then said here "higher power" was a triangular tattoo on her arm she named "Grace". She said her tattoo was an angel and could be borrowed by other members. Other members mentioned bhuddism as helping them but they obviously had a sophomoric understanding of the teachings of that false religion.

    This nonsensical indifferatism is in every AA meeting.

    I am thinking of starting a traditional Catholic Alcohol Abstinence group if there is a need for it. The meetings would be held on zoom.

    Let me know if you would be interested in something like this.


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    Re: Traditional Catholic AA
    « Reply #1 on: March 30, 2025, 06:10:46 PM »
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    • AA is Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ.  When the Catholic Church dealt with this issue, there was group of the Sacred Heart of Jesus.  those who were members for help followed the instructions:  receive the sacraments as much as possible.  The sacraments have the Precious Blood of Jesus Christ.  Power is in the Blood, in all the sacraments.
    Now, the Holy Rosary has the Precious Blood, however, it is a sacramental.  Our Lady said one day the Scapular and the Holy Rosary will save you.  Prefect contrition.

    AA will say maybe a percentage will be cured.  I would like to think that that % are catholics following the instructions given to us.  You are in a spiritual battle like everyone is.  I recommend the Total Consecration, and the little book The Secret of the Rosary.  The Power is in the Blood, in the Rosary if you are not able to have sacraments.
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    Re: Traditional Catholic AA
    « Reply #2 on: March 30, 2025, 06:11:45 PM »
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    • Just know that New Order, has no sacraments, they will be of no help, period!  
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    Re: Traditional Catholic AA
    « Reply #3 on: March 30, 2025, 06:14:34 PM »
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    • No insults, stay away from dioceses, they are no help, and can only make matters worse, they are Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ
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    Re: Traditional Catholic AA
    « Reply #4 on: March 30, 2025, 06:15:00 PM »
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    • No indults.
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    Re: Traditional Catholic AA
    « Reply #5 on: March 30, 2025, 07:17:54 PM »
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    • A late friend of mine, who was a traditionalist and a member of our HNS, had a son who sadly predeceased him due to alcohol and drug abuse. He was vehemently against AA and the other secular run 12 step programs. He was a promoter of David Cannane and his book, "The Hook & I."(2008) Here's a description of the book from a bookseller (no copies available, but I checked, and it is available thru other sellers)
    The Hook and I: A Catholic 12-Step Program by David Cannane, Paperback, 9781438928081 | Buy online at The Nile



    The Hook and I describes a 12-Step Recovery Program using traditional Catholic spirituality in an integrated approach that restores the entire 12-step recovery concept to its original Catholic roots in order to attack addictions by addressing the weaknesses of the soul, especially against "The Hook". More than a method to simply conquer an addiction, this technique of struggling against a "Hook" is used, first of all, to overcome the addiction, second, to grow in sanctity by striving for perfection and holiness, and thirdly, to give God glory for the graces He lovingly bestows on souls struggling against addictions. "The Hook", which can be any sinful addiction, is that primary means by which Satan uses to pull souls from the waters of sanctifying grace. The Hook is as much a permanent part of the soul as the temperament so that it can never really be removed; we can only cut the "fishing line of temptation" and to trim it as close to the hook as possible so that we are rarely, if ever, "reeled in" to the state of sin again. Written in conversational style yet true to Catholic teaching, "The Hook and I" covers the fight against a hook every step of the way, from "running aground" through each of the steps necessary to strengthen the soul to gain mastery over the Hook to the subsequent stages of using the success against the Hook as the springboard to holiness and the pursuit of perfection." The Hook and I" was written as an apostolate of the Blessed Margaret Family Help Center, Inc, a non-profit 501(c)3 corporation to help families, both in and out of crisis, using traditional Catholic teachings. All royalties from the sale of The Hook and I go to finance the Center's activities."


    The Help Center's website with contact info:

    Blessed Margaret Family Help Center, Inc | The Hook and I

    CONTACT

    Address: 26797 Frederick Avenue, Columbia Station, OH 44028
    Phone: (937) 450-1618
    Email: support@blmargaret.org



    I hope this is of some help. God bless.
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    Re: Traditional Catholic AA
    « Reply #6 on: March 30, 2025, 08:45:21 PM »
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    • It appears that Blessed Margaret Health center, is catholic charities.  Check it out.  If they are of catholic charities, IMO they are not catholic for the charities get grants from federal and federal does the agenda of non-catholic ways.

    They must come right out and say that the solution is.... and it must be Our Lady!!  It must be the sacrament of not the new order.  
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    Re: Traditional Catholic AA
    « Reply #7 on: March 30, 2025, 08:50:15 PM »
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    • I have been sober nine years.  Songbird is an idiot.  AA is not a religious organization.  Are there freemasons in AA, of course.  So what.  AA was founded in 1935 and Catholics were attending AA long before the Vatican II Council ever happened, and they were doing so cuм permisso superiorum. I have several Catholic converts from AA. 
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    Re: Traditional Catholic AA
    « Reply #8 on: March 30, 2025, 09:10:58 PM »
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    • The definition of allergy is, "Any food, drink, or other substance which I put in my body which causes an abnormal reaction."  The normal drinker drinks a couple of drinks in the evening and goes to bed because he gets drowsy - alcohol is a depressant.  The abnormal drinker, the alcoholic, consumes alcohol and it produces the phenomena of craving.  Alcohol for the alcoholic does not act like a depressant, but a stimulant.  Dr. William Silkworth, in the 1930's, was the first American physician to identify alcoholism as an allergy, and, I concur, he is right. 
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    Re: Traditional Catholic AA
    « Reply #9 on: March 30, 2025, 09:12:29 PM »
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    • Quote from: songbird on March 30, 2025, 08:45:21 PM
    It appears that Blessed Margaret Health center, is catholic charities.  Check it out.  If they are of catholic charities, IMO they are not catholic for the charities get grants from federal and federal does the agenda of non-catholic ways.

    They must come right out and say that the solution is.... and it must be Our Lady!!  It must be the sacrament of not the new order. 
    I understand and I agree.  From what I remember (It's been 17 years or so) frequent confession and receiving the Sacraments were emphasized. I would think you'd need to have a trad priest as a confessor available to you for more than once a week, which is quite rare in most of the US. My friend's son was, shall we say, was barely Novus Ordo. AA and 12 step programs were nothing but opportunities to share tales of drunkenness. The OP was seemingly looking for another option, and I felt my suggestion would perhaps be helpful.
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    Re: Traditional Catholic AA
    « Reply #10 on: March 30, 2025, 09:22:26 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on March 30, 2025, 02:34:21 PM
    Are there any members here struggling with alcohol? I just went to an AA meeting and one person held up a picture of her dead cat and said that was her "higher power". She said she prayed to her dead cat for help to stop
    Drinking. Also the leader of the meeting trash talked the Catholic church and then said here "higher power" was a triangular tattoo on her arm she named "Grace". She said her tattoo was an angel and could be borrowed by other members. Other members mentioned bhuddism as helping them but they obviously had a sophomoric understanding of the teachings of that false religion.

    This nonsensical indifferatism is in every AA meeting.

    I am thinking of starting a traditional Catholic Alcohol Abstinence group if there is a need for it. The meetings would be held on zoom.

    Let me know if you would be interested in something like this.
    You have to remember, many of these people coming into Alcoholics Anonymous do not have the same luxury as you, of being a traditional Catholic.  Because Cindy talks about her cat being a higher power, let her rant.  If she stays sober, and if you stay sober, you will be able to help her in her primitive beliefs as she becomes more sober.  You must remember what Ven. Matt Talbot said, "The alcoholic is a very sick person, and for him to not drink one day at a time is a greater miracle than raising a man from the dead."  That is what he said.   AA is a very fertile ground for converts, but if you do not stay sober yourself, well, you will probably lose your soul and lose any potential fruits in AA. Hope this helps. 
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    Re: Traditional Catholic AA
    « Reply #11 on: March 31, 2025, 04:32:26 AM »
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    • Please see my signature line.

    OP did not indicate whether he is a he or she is a she. 

    I found AA to be somewhat helpful, though my primary support group is a self-styled one, comprised of Catholics. Some of you reading this are among them.

    There is a Jesuit retreat house just over a mile from where I live, on the grounds of which is a statue of Matt Talbot. I frequently visit him.

    Cheers.
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    Re: Traditional Catholic AA
    « Reply #12 on: March 31, 2025, 04:33:31 AM »
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    • The above is mine.
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    Sobriety date, May 5, 2023. Matt Talbot, pray for us.

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    Re: Traditional Catholic AA
    « Reply #13 on: March 31, 2025, 05:13:10 AM »
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    • I'm just glad the awful hangovers I always got from drinking, over-ruled whatever joy I got from drinking. If it weren't for the hangovers, I am pretty darn sure that I would have been an alcoholic a long time ago. 
     
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    Re: Traditional Catholic AA
    « Reply #14 on: March 31, 2025, 09:14:53 AM »
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    • The success rate of AA is abysmal.  

    The Sinclair Method has scientific proof that it works in 75%+ cases.  

    https://www.sinclairmethod.org
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