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The Tears of a Traditional Catholic Mother
« on: October 28, 2023, 11:55:46 AM »
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  • I am quoting below a letter which was shared with me:

    +JMJ+
    June 13, 2023
    The Feast of St. Anthony within the Octave of Corpus Christi
    Dear Catholic Bishops and Priests,
    I am very sorry for the generic nature of this letter, but there are so many Catholic clergy, with so many different opinions that I felt I needed to write this letter to all of you without including any of your personal opinions on the current situation of the Catholic Church.
    Who am I? I am a mother, whose heart is broken and all of you have broken my heart in some way. I know that seems like an unfair statement. How could you have broken my heart? You don’t even know who I am. You see God gave us His church to keep us happy and safe. The most important thing we teach our children is to know, love, and serve God in this world and to be happy with him forever in Heaven. Men, though, like to be right and have the answers. So they fight, yet they do not realize how that tears women apart and makes them not feel safe. When a woman does not feel safe, she cannot spread joy and happiness.
    We need to stop fighting and let God heal His church. This starts with the Our Father.
    “Our Father, who art in Heaven hallowed be thy name, thy kingdom
    come thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven. Give us this day
    our daily bread and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who
    trespass against and lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil.”
    AMEN
    We need to really think about those who have trespassed against us and then sincerely forgive them. If you still want to fight them, then you haven’t really forgiven them. We can speak charitably about our differences and realize that we can’t decide on the matter. Only a future Pope can.
    I know you will think I am naive, but I just can’t keep a stiff upper lip anymore. I am dying inside and so are many of the women I know and love, too. Once the Devil has succeeded in destroying women’s hearts, then I believe all hell will break loose. We don’t want that. We want Nineveh, converting and being spared, not the death and destruction that Jonah wanted to see.
    I forgive all of you, now I hope you forgive each other.
    God bless you,
    B.G.



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    Re: The Tears of a Traditional Catholic Mother
    « Reply #1 on: October 28, 2023, 12:59:03 PM »
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  • So, there's a Crisis in the Church (involving a crisis of authority, basically striking at the HEART of the Church, its center of unity, the Pope).

    Isn't that NECESSARILY going to cause a certain amount of disunity, confusion, differences of opinion what to do, etc.?

    And this emotional woman is blaming each-and-every Trad priest out there, regardless of whether they're doing their best or not, because de-facto the confusion hasn't been cleared and the Crisis hasn't been solved. If the Crisis isn't solved by human means and put past us, says this woman, it's the fault of EVERY priest and bishop.

    1. I understand the weakness of her female, emotional nature. I understand her frustration. Perhaps her immediate family has "taken damage" as it were due to the confusion/crisis and human infighting which is going to be found anywhere they are human beings, especially without a clear leader. But how about we be FAIR and place the blame where it belongs? How about we blame the Modernists and Freemasons who caused the Crisis in the Church, rather than the +Lefebvres of the world who are only trying to pick up the pieces, trying to keep the Faith, trying to help as many souls as ONE MAN can do?

    2. I can't get behind her, however, because you can have saintly priests and bishops doing 100% of what they can do to be holy and help the Church and souls -- all the while UNABLE to solve the Crisis, because that is in God's hands. You can't equate earthly, material success with holiness, a.k.a. doing God's will. God grades on effort, NOT results. He's not an American or a businessman.

    And some solutions -- such as solving the Crisis in the Church -- are reserved to God alone. As is evidenced by the DURATION of the current Crisis. What are we on, our 54th year?

    3. Yes, she is naive. And she's not the first one in the last 50 years to have an "epiphany" at Church, during prayer, right after receiving Holy Communion along the lines of: "Hey! Why don't we all come together and unite during this Crisis! Wow, I'm a regular Joan of Arc! A regular hero!"

    4. I'm not buying what she's selling -- namely, "despair". I feel bad for her that she is at wits end, and in apparent despair, but I will say this: God doesn't expect the impossible, nor will He ever test someone beyond their strength. So perhaps she's being a bit hysterical, dramatic, emotional here. A bit of a drama queen.

    5. And yes, related to 1-4, she is clearly proud. She thinks the Trad priests and bishops don't pray the Our Father, and many other prayers (daily Breviary, Rosary, daily mental prayer) as well? She thinks that SHE ALONE has thought of this simplistic "solution"? Disgustingly high on herself. And that pride is against her female nature, like a man being delicate or vain in his appearance/clothing. There are sins/faults, and then there are sins/faults that your nature shouldn't even be weak against. An athlete being "lazy" takes more malice than a 400 lb man being "lazy" -- the latter has to fight his frame and is weighed down just walking across the room. The muscular, toned athlete has no excuse for lazing around and being slothful.

    My only question is: what actor is going to play this woman, when her inevitable biopic is made. I got dibs on the movie rights. ::)
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    Re: The Tears of a Traditional Catholic Mother
    « Reply #2 on: October 28, 2023, 01:02:08 PM »
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  • A clear lack of humility. Sounds like a trad feminist. I feel sorry for her husband if she has one.

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    Re: The Tears of a Traditional Catholic Mother
    « Reply #3 on: October 28, 2023, 01:17:24 PM »
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  • I think her email address should be deleted.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    Re: The Tears of a Traditional Catholic Mother
    « Reply #4 on: October 28, 2023, 02:20:47 PM »
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  • I think her email address should be deleted.
    I agree. I just removed it.
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    Re: The Tears of a Traditional Catholic Mother
    « Reply #5 on: October 28, 2023, 03:36:50 PM »
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  • So, there's a Crisis in the Church (involving a crisis of authority, basically striking at the HEART of the Church, its center of unity, the Pope).

    Isn't that NECESSARILY going to cause a certain amount of disunity, confusion, differences of opinion what to do, etc.?

    Of course.  That's part of the chastisement.

    Not only that, but theological disagreements have been around since the beginning of the Church.  Just like at the raging battle between the Thomists and Molinists as a striking example.  Until the end of the world, wherever there are human beings, there will be divisions and dissensions.

    Women make these things personal and emotional, whereas men are capable of agreeing to disagree, and they just carry on.  It's in line with the spirit of Ecuмenism to promote the Rodney King kumbaya mentality ...



    With that said, there are a few groups (who shall remain nameless) who exhibit a childish / puerile contempt for some other groups ... one group in particular.

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    Re: The Tears of a Traditional Catholic Mother
    « Reply #6 on: October 28, 2023, 03:42:47 PM »
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  • We need to really think about those who have trespassed against us and then sincerely forgive them. 

    Again, apart from one particular group, I don't know of any priests who remain divided on theological issues due to a lack of "forgiveness".  It's just a matter of principle.

    When I was growing up, on occasion my brothers and I would get into some knock-down-drag-out fist fights.  5 minutes are the smoke has settle, we're sitting on the front porch eating ice cream together ... with zero hard feelings.

    Meanwhile, if one sister says something offensive to the other, they'll hold a grudge for years over it.

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    Re: The Tears of a Traditional Catholic Mother
    « Reply #7 on: October 28, 2023, 10:57:34 PM »
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  • I am quoting below a letter which was shared with me:

    +JMJ+
    June 13, 2023
    The Feast of St. Anthony within the Octave of Corpus Christi
    Dear Catholic Bishops and Priests,
    I am very sorry for the generic nature of this letter, but there are so many Catholic clergy, with so many different opinions that I felt I needed to write this letter to all of you without including any of your personal opinions on the current situation of the Catholic Church.
    Who am I? I am a mother, whose heart is broken and all of you have broken my heart in some way. I know that seems like an unfair statement. How could you have broken my heart? You don’t even know who I am. You see God gave us His church to keep us happy and safe. The most important thing we teach our children is to know, love, and serve God in this world and to be happy with him forever in Heaven. Men, though, like to be right and have the answers. So they fight, yet they do not realize how that tears women apart and makes them not feel safe. When a woman does not feel safe, she cannot spread joy and happiness.
    We need to stop fighting and let God heal His church. This starts with the Our Father.
    “Our Father, who art in Heaven hallowed be thy name, thy kingdom
    come thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven. Give us this day
    our daily bread and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who
    trespass against and lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil.”
    AMEN
    We need to really think about those who have trespassed against us and then sincerely forgive them. If you still want to fight them, then you haven’t really forgiven them. We can speak charitably about our differences and realize that we can’t decide on the matter. Only a future Pope can.
    I know you will think I am naive, but I just can’t keep a stiff upper lip anymore. I am dying inside and so are many of the women I know and love, too. Once the Devil has succeeded in destroying women’s hearts, then I believe all hell will break loose. We don’t want that. We want Nineveh, converting and being spared, not the death and destruction that Jonah wanted to see.
    I forgive all of you, now I hope you forgive each other.
    God bless you,
    B.G.
    Boo hoo 😢?  For the sake of your children and husband, pick yourself up and get on with it!  


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    Re: The Tears of a Traditional Catholic Mother
    « Reply #8 on: November 10, 2023, 08:52:24 AM »
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  • 1 Corinthians chapter 13.  Catholic men should protect woman at all costs no matter how hysterical they think they are.  

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    Re: The Tears of a Traditional Catholic Mother
    « Reply #9 on: November 10, 2023, 09:00:49 AM »
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  • 1 Corinthians chapter 13.  Catholic men should protect woman at all costs no matter how hysterical they think they are. 
    Feminist claptrap.  This is what led to so many innocent men being accused of rape.

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    Re: The Tears of a Traditional Catholic Mother
    « Reply #10 on: November 10, 2023, 02:35:16 PM »
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  • OK.  I don't understand why people feel the immediate need to attack all the time.  I wrote the letter above. Most of the thoughts that Matthew had were inconsiderate embellishments that have no basses for truth because he did not know the author.  And I am going to assume that all comments are going to continue to be called truthful and right, but they lack compassion and charity.  My sister said I was never a drama queen and my husband said this is why he doesn't like forums, because they can easily hit and run away.  We are all trying to be Catholics, but we just keep hitting each other below the belt.  

    The letter was about woman and children being caught up in the crossfire.  Another forum got my son kicked out of the Seminary before he even started.  WE NEED TO STOP HURTING EACH OTHER. 
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"


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    Re: The Tears of a Traditional Catholic Mother
    « Reply #11 on: November 10, 2023, 02:46:23 PM »
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  • Oh and I sent the letter out to four priests begging them to tell me stop before I sent it out to others.
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"

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    Re: The Tears of a Traditional Catholic Mother
    « Reply #12 on: November 11, 2023, 09:19:43 AM »
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  • The letter was about woman and children being caught up in the crossfire.  Another forum got my son kicked out of the Seminary before he even started.  WE NEED TO STOP HURTING EACH OTHER.

    See? You're doing it again. WE don't need to do anything. >I< don't need to stop hurting anyone, because I'm not hurting anyone now. You're committing the logical fallacy of BEGGING THE QUESTION. The classic example of this fallacy is, "Have you stopped beating your wife?"

    "We need to stop hurting each other."
    Me: "No we don't."
    "So you want to keep hurting people?"
    Me: "I wasn't hurting anyone to begin with."

    "Have you stopped beating your wife?"
    Me: "No."
    "So you're just going to keep beating her, huh?"
    Me: "I never beat her to begin with."

    I TRULY and correctly interpreted YOUR WORDS in your letter. Perhaps you could clarify what you really meant. FYI: Words mean things.

    If you are talking about Fr. Pfeiffer or Fr. Hewko's causing unnecessary divisions in Tradition, then say so.
    If you're talking about Fr. Cekada's novel (never seen before) doctrine "If you assist at a Mass that is Una cuм Papa Nostro Francisco, then you are Una cuм his heresies, hence a mortal sin" killing the competition and causing unnecessary division and home-aloneism, then say so.
    If you're talking about the Dimond Brothers condemning virtually everyone in Tradition, being the poster boys for dogmatic home aloners, then say so.
    If you're talking about the neo-SSPX being "The organization first, the good of souls second" then say so.

    There are many priests and bishops who step over the line, over-step their authority, and command their flock where they can and can't go for Mass. They bind their flock, under pain of sin, to do what is good for their Group or even themselves. They are at fault, yes. Is there too much "Rah rah my group" and jingoism in the world of Tradition? Of course there is.

    BUT THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS. There are holy men who are doing their duty, who follow God first, and don't give in to the temptations to cause division in order to increase their collection revenue, worldly comforts, fame, power, etc.

    But in your words above, you painted with a broad brush, making NO exceptions, implying that every priest and bishop is to blame for the continued state of Crisis that we find ourselves in today. There is no other way to interpret YOUR WORDS above. So if you want to add or subtract words, be my guest.
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    Re: The Tears of a Traditional Catholic Mother
    « Reply #13 on: November 11, 2023, 09:28:45 AM »
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    Oh and I sent the letter out to four priests begging them to tell me stop before I sent it out to others.

    Is that good Traditional, feminine behavior? There are some who would chime in here with sentences I won't write myself. But I bet those sentences would contain the words "kitchen", "cooking", "household", and "husband".

    Asking to see the manager all the time, or writing to a bunch of priests, just makes them dread to see you walk in the door. You do realize what a Karen move that is, right?

    "Begging them to tell me to stop" -- and you say you're not a drama queen? You're drawing that much attention to yourself and your behavior, bugging FOUR different priests with a letter, focused on you and your feelings? Behavior like this is the very definition of drama queen.
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    Re: The Tears of a Traditional Catholic Mother
    « Reply #14 on: November 11, 2023, 09:44:58 AM »
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  • OK.  I don't understand why people feel the immediate need to attack all the time. 
    I would invite you to look in the mirror but because of your profound lack of insight to your own motives and your sense of entitlement it wouldn't do any good.

    You are an embarrassment to your sex. Your views do not represent good Catholic women or innocent children.  Take your feminism elsewhere.