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Re: Sspx Sanford - More Works with the Novus Ordo
« Reply #45 on: February 15, 2024, 10:21:14 AM »
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    • This should put to rest the question of when blessed ashes can be imposed on the faithful. Perhaps whoever down thumbed me will take note: 

    Matters Liturgical, The Collectio Rerum Litrugicarum of Rev. Joseph Wuest, C.SS.R.  Translated by Rev. Thomas W. Mullaney, C.SS.R.  Re-arranged and Enlarged by Rev. William T. Barry, C.SS.R., S.S.L.
     
    Father Wuest’s first edition was published in Latin in 1889 and the first English translation by Father Mullaney was published in 1924.  My citations are from the eighth English edition, prepared by Father Barry and published in 1955 with the Nihil Obstat and Imprimatur.
     

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    497. Ash Wednesday
    o) The practice of imposing ashes on the faithful on the first Sunday of Lent at the end of the Mass or apart from Mass is permitted, provided that the ashes were blessed and imposed on Ash Wednesday according to the regular rite.  With the permission of the local Ordinary this may also be done in non-parochial churches and oratories but under the above conditions.



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    Re: Sspx Sanford - More Works with the Novus Ordo
    « Reply #46 on: February 15, 2024, 10:22:23 AM »
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    • The above was from me.  I so despise the abuse of the anonymous forum.
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    Re: Sspx Sanford - More Works with the Novus Ordo
    « Reply #47 on: February 15, 2024, 11:07:56 AM »
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    • Quote from: moneil on February 15, 2024, 10:22:23 AM
    The above was from me.  I so despise the abuse of the anonymous forum.
    I share your negative disposition towards how the Anonymous forum is being misused.
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    Re: Sspx Sanford - More Works with the Novus Ordo
    « Reply #48 on: February 15, 2024, 11:21:28 AM »
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    • Quote from: ElwinRansom1970 on February 15, 2024, 11:07:56 AM
    I share your negative disposition towards how the Anonymous forum is being misused.

    So, this thread may be an OK use of the forum, since the OP could very likely attend the SSPX Sanford chapel and his username here on CI might be known to some others there.

    But other threads are clearly abuses ... such as those (recently) by people who want to gripe about Father Feeney.  There's no reason for the latter to be in Anonymous other than that the coward refuses to reveal himself.  There's nothing that would redound to the person's disadvantage were his anti-Feeneyite vitriol made known, since nearly all Trad groups would embrace him with open arms and even give him high fives for starting the threads.  Another reason someone might start such a thread in Anonymous is that we forum end users cannot distinguish between Anons, so the same individual might try to pose as multiple people all agreeing on his point of view, whereas it's just one individual using various sock puppets.
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    Re: Sspx Sanford - More Works with the Novus Ordo
    « Reply #49 on: February 15, 2024, 11:24:42 AM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on February 15, 2024, 10:21:14 AM
    This should put to rest the question of when blessed ashes can be imposed on the faithful. Perhaps whoever down thumbed me will take note:

    I myself did not say that it CANNOT be done, or was not done Traditionally, only that I don't participate if I have to receive the ashes on Sunday, since I personally find it dissonant with the administration of ashes being properly done on Ash Wednesday.  Sundays tend to be these oases from the penitential spirit of Lent, or at least that's how I've always viewed them.  Similarly, no one is stopping someone from fasting on Sundays of Lent, but it's not required, because the Church views Sundays as more joyous feasts, as every Sunday in a sense commemorates Our Lord's Resurrection.  So ... I was expressing my own personal preference.
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    Re: Sspx Sanford - More Works with the Novus Ordo
    « Reply #50 on: February 15, 2024, 11:43:48 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on February 15, 2024, 11:24:42 AM
    I myself did not say that it CANNOT be done, or was not done Traditionally, only that I don't participate if I have to receive the ashes on Sunday, since I personally find it dissonant with the administration of ashes being properly done on Ash Wednesday.  Sundays tend to be these oases from the penitential spirit of Lent, or at least that's how I've always viewed them.  Similarly, no one is stopping someone from fasting on Sundays of Lent, but it's not required, because the Church views Sundays as more joyous feasts, as every Sunday in a sense commemorates Our Lord's Resurrection.  So ... I was expressing my own personal preference.
    I did understand your position in your Reply #38, it was very well stated.  There were other comments that implied that the practice of ALSO offering blessed ashes on the First Sunday of Lent was some kind of liturgical abuse, or a post VII "innovation", which is simple NOT true, and I provided an authentic citation from a pre VII source.

    What seems interesting is that offering blessed ashes on the First Sunday of Lent was a common pre VII practice where I grew up (I can't speak for other parts of the world) but I have NEVER seen it done since the liturgical changes.
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    « Reply #51 on: February 15, 2024, 03:38:18 PM »
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    • Lad, 
    The Church has external solemnities on Sundays for a bunch of holy days.  Why doesn’t Ash Wednesday follow the same logic?  Technically, Ash Wednesday isn’t even in Lent (it’s just the beginning of the 40 day fast).  So the application of ashes on the first Sunday (and start) of Lent…seems to be just as applicable (in terms of spiritual meaning) as some Wednesday which isn’t even part of Lent.
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    Re: Sspx Sanford - More Works with the Novus Ordo
    « Reply #52 on: February 15, 2024, 03:39:49 PM »
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    • That was me. 
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    Re: Sspx Sanford - More Works with the Novus Ordo
    « Reply #53 on: February 15, 2024, 05:02:52 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on February 15, 2024, 03:38:18 PM
    Lad,
    The Church has external solemnities on Sundays for a bunch of holy days.  Why doesn’t Ash Wednesday follow the same logic?  Technically, Ash Wednesday isn’t even in Lent (it’s just the beginning of the 40 day fast).  So the application of ashes on the first Sunday (and start) of Lent…seems to be just as applicable (in terms of spiritual meaning) as some Wednesday which isn’t even part of Lent.

    Well, the ashes are meant to coincide with the start of the 40 days of fasting.
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    « Reply #54 on: February 15, 2024, 07:35:49 PM »
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    • What better thing to start Lent than to have a dinner gala? 



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    « Reply #55 on: February 15, 2024, 08:29:41 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on February 15, 2024, 07:35:49 PM
    What better thing to start Lent than to have a dinner gala?




    Is it an issue if the dinner will be the main meal of the day? 
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    « Reply #56 on: February 15, 2024, 08:55:42 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on February 15, 2024, 08:29:41 PM
    Is it an issue if the dinner will be the main meal of the day?

    It's a four-hour gala. Dinner even as a main meal normally doesn't take several hours, much less during Lent. The word "gala" also sounds like it's more than simply dinner. (Note that wedding banquets are a no-no during Lent.) If they wanted an event connected to Lepanto, then they could have done it back in early October.
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    « Reply #57 on: February 16, 2024, 08:03:21 AM »
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    • This idea and event during Lent is SOOO novus ordo!  It's all about the money.
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    « Reply #58 on: February 16, 2024, 01:31:35 PM »
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    • Everything is done in phases.   A gradual blending.  The deal with Rome was done in 2012?  
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    « Reply #59 on: February 16, 2024, 01:34:50 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on February 14, 2024, 08:48:54 PM
    I understand that there is a concern about the SSPX in Florida being out of control. This weekend, during the first weekend of Lent, SSPX Davie is hosting a fundraiser that includes the availability of fine cigars, alcoholic beverages, and excellent cuisine. The entry fee is $125,000, per person and it does not cover the cost of cigars and alcohol. After the event, it is unlikely that they will observe Lent with traditional penitential practices. Don't expect them to revert to sackcloth and ashes after the event.
    Is this for real?  
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