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Traditional Catholic Faith => Anσnymσus Posts Allowed => Topic started by: Änσnymσus on February 12, 2024, 11:17:57 AM
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You may remember this is the church that had confirmations at a Novus Ordo church a few months ago. Telling too that Fr Z goes down there as he’s known for his taste in food and drink, as is that priory.
This is from a google review;
My wife Stephanie and I started regularly attending St. Thomas More when we started doing our marriage prep with Fr. Vernoy in early 2023. We were married here in September 2023.
I love St. Thomas More for several reasons. First, they offer the Latin Mass with great beauty and reverence and the preaching is always orthodox and solid.
They live the liturgical year with gusto: candlelit Marian processions, Eucharistic processions through the neighborhood, rosary marches through downtown Sanford for Our Lady of Victory, May crownings, a festival for their patron saint's feast day, an international festival for Christ the King, First Friday and First Saturday devotions, etc.
Second, they have lots of resources that aren't very common with Latin Mass venues: 8 priests, their own church, a K-12 school, a vibrant community, a bookstore, Gregorian chant, weekly catechism for children and adults in English and Spanish, sung Sunday Vespers, lots of volunteering opportunities, multiple daily Masses, solemn high masses on random weekdays, visiting nuns, Ignatian silent retreats, a yearly 102-mile traditional pilgrimage from St. Thomas More in Sanford to Our Lady of La Leche in St. Augustine by foot and canoe where they camp each night, etc.
Third, they have a warm relationship with the Orlando diocese, especially with Bishop Noonan and All Souls (the local diocesan parish). I know that when it comes to the SSPX, this is a concern for many Catholics, and I want to reassure people.
Here are some examples. Bishop Noonan officially approved our wedding mass, as he does all weddings at St. Thomas More. My wife and I wrote him a thank you note and sent him pictures.
Bishop Noonan allowed St. Thomas More to use All Souls (the local diocesan church) for size capacity reasons when Bishop Mallerais visited to do Confirmations a couple months ago.
A couple weeks ago, St. Peter's in DeLand hosted the St. Thomas More Academy students for their Christmas concert.
Last year, St. Thomas More Academy did a field trip to the Orlando Science Center and to St. James Cathedral, where they paid homage to Bishop Noonan and formally acknowledged his authority as their bishop. This was publicized in the school newsletter.
The St. Thomas More choir director splits his time at the All Souls Latin Mass, where he is training their choir. I think Bishop Noonan also has St. Thomas More help train priests who want to celebrate the Latin Mass.
Last year, I attended a Pontifical High Mass at Epiphany in Tampa sponsored by Bishop Parkes and celebrated by Bishop Schneider, who gave First Communion. Serving at the mass were several diocesan Latin Mass priests including Fr. Palka (the pastor), a couple of FSSP priests from Sarasota, Fr. Talarico the provincial superior of the Institute of Christ the King for the USA, and Fr. Vernoy the prior for the SSPX in Florida.
St. Thomas More hosts regular get-togethers for different diocesan Latin Mass priests, including Fr. Palka (pastor of Epiphany in Tampa) and Fr. Z.
In short, there is a dedicated effort on the part of all involved to recognize lawful authority and have a warm, close relationship.
I warmly encourage you to visit. It's a great church and we're very blessed. If it's your first time, I'd come to the Sunday high mass at 9:30 am to get the full experience.
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So that's a Google Review, sound more like a gooey review.
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So that's a Google Review, sound more like a gooey review.
What do you mean?
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A few points of note:
1. This person wasn't anonymous. He used his wife's name and/or his own name (I didn't see the review itself, but it probably has some kind of name or username).
2. He used PLENTY of details. Go ahead, go skim the review again. He named names, chapels, places, priests. He gave out plenty of details that could easily be verified.
3. He is extremely positive towards the SSPX chapel in question. He isn't Resistance, nor is he biased against the SSPX.
4. He came across very candid and genuine, like he was just trying to give a thorough review of the chapel and convince more people to discover what he discovered and "come on in, the water's fine".
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Last year, St. Thomas More Academy did a field trip to the Orlando Science Center and to St. James Cathedral, where they paid homage to Bishop Noonan and formally acknowledged his authority as their bishop.
:facepalm:
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4. He came across very candid and genuine, like he was just trying to give a thorough review of the chapel and convince more people to discover what he discovered and "come on in, the water's fine".
He sounds like an indulter who has no idea about what's been going on in Traditionalism the past 50 years. Nothing wrong with that, but in regards to Tradition, he sounds like a total newbie.
Shame on the Sanford clerics (and all the other sspx clerics who are slowing implementing "Operation: Play nice with new-rome". Judgement Day will NOT be a fun time for them. God will not be mocked.
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That was me.
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Last year, St. Thomas More Academy did a field trip to the Orlando Science Center and to St. James Cathedral, where they paid homage to Bishop Noonan and formally acknowledged his authority as their bishop. This was publicized in the school newsletter.
Last year, I attended a Pontifical High Mass at Epiphany in Tampa sponsored by Bishop Parkes and celebrated by Bishop Schneider, who gave First Communion. Serving at the mass were several diocesan Latin Mass priests including Fr. Palka (the pastor), a couple of FSSP priests from Sarasota, Fr. Talarico the provincial superior of the Institute of Christ the King for the USA, and Fr. Vernoy the prior for the SSPX in Florida.
In short, there is a dedicated effort on the part of all involved to recognize lawful authority and have a warm, close relationship.
Downright painful. Not to mention completely idiotic on part of the Goodship Lolipop SSPX.
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Didn't realize I posted anonymously.
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Last year, I attended a Pontifical High Mass at Epiphany in Tampa sponsored by Bishop Parkes and celebrated by Bishop Schneider, who gave First Communion. Serving at the mass were several diocesan Latin Mass priests including Fr. Palka (the pastor), a couple of FSSP priests from Sarasota, Fr. Talarico the provincial superior of the Institute of Christ the King for the USA, and Fr. Vernoy the prior for the SSPX in Florida.
Perhaps at the end they all held hands and sang Kumbaya together. Breaking bread together, drinking fine wines, and smoking fine cigars ... while the diocesan Bishop carries on full steam ahead destroying the faith among those at the neighboring diocesan parishes. SSPX are fiddling while the Church burns.
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How very "tradcuмenical". :laugh1:
The neo-sspx is basically the fssp now, but with (mostly) valid priests.
Seems like they're in a free fall after capitulating with the covid scam.
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The clans seem to be uniting.
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What do you mean?
It gushes with sugar-sweetness designed to numb the intellect from grasping the Crisis in the Church. It is like a donut filled with "Unite-the-Clans" MSG goo topped with a glazed coating of "All is good, no worries, we are legit with The Destroyer 'Pope', come on in."
"Now that you are in, would you like a COVID booster? What is that, you already had two, well here is a third!"
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The clans seem to be uniting.
:laugh1:
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Thanks for posting this. Some of it I have posted in the past couple of years. The part was where The St. Thomas More choir director splits his time at the All Souls Latin Mass, where he is training their choir. I think Bishop Noonan also has St. Thomas More help train priests who want to celebrate the Latin Mass. This also happens in the South Florida chapel where the SSPX music director goes to the indult mass not to train but to sing when no masses are made available by the SSPX(for example, this Ash Wednesday). I have other examples, but I'm at work now.
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The reason they(the SSPX)are doing this is for money. They could care less about saving souls. The COVID scam and Bergoglio are the best things to ever happen to the SSPX.
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8 priests? When the local Sspx in this area barely has one. Mostly here on weekends. Please correct me if I’m wrong.
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8 priests? When the local Sspx in this area barely has one. Mostly here on weekends. Please correct me if I’m wrong.
Yes, that is correct. South Florida has one priest in an area of over six million people. Yet they have one in Brooksville, FL, with a population of about eight thousand.
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(https://www.cathinfo.com/index.php?topic=73323.msg927407#msg927407)
He sounds like an indulter who has no idea about what's been going on in Traditionalism the past 50 years. Nothing wrong with that, but in regards to Tradition, he sounds like a total newbie.
Yes, I stand by what I said AND agree with the above.
I didn't say anything about how RIGHT he was -- just that he wasn't lying or faking anything. He's reporting news and the objective status, policies, and goings-on at his SSPX chapel, which he totally supports. That was my point.
Of course he's a good deal blind to the big picture. That goes without saying.
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He's reporting news and the objective status, policies, and goings-on at his SSPX chapel, which he totally supports. That was my point.
... in other words, that he's not some "hostile witness," i.e. someone with some beef against SSPX, so his account is most likely quite credible.
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I warmly encourage you to visit. It's a great church and we're very blessed. If it's your first time, I'd come to the Sunday high mass at 9:30 am to get the full experience.
:facepalm:
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8 priests? When the local Sspx in this area barely has one. Mostly here on weekends. Please correct me if I’m wrong.
Right. There's zero excuse for this. I know that Archbishop Lefebvre wanted the priests to live in groups, but 8 is excessive. They could easily break part into 2 groups of 4 or even more groups of fewer than 4. In my day, they only had like 6 priests at the seminary. But why would any of those 8 want to give up the fine wining and dining offered (at the faithful's expense) in Sanford? It's stuff like this, when peasants were dying of hunger in Europe while many clergy lived it up, that led to a lot of anticlericalism. I rather disagree with the Archbishop on this point, since many faithful could benefit greatly from daily Sacraments. Father Carley has been going it alone now for over 40 years now as a Traditional priest.
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Right. There's zero excuse for this. I know that Archbishop Lefebvre wanted the priests to live in groups, but 8 is excessive. They could easily break part into 2 groups of 4 or even more groups of fewer than 4. In my day, they only had like 6 priests at the seminary. But why would any of those 8 want to give up the fine wining and dining offered (at the faithful's expense) in Sanford? It's stuff like this, when peasants were dying of hunger in Europe while many clergy lived it up, that led to a lot of anticlericalism. I rather disagree with the Archbishop on this point, since many faithful could benefit greatly from daily Sacraments. Father Carley has been going it alone now for over 40 years now as a Traditional priest.
That is exactly right. There is no excuse for it except to enjoy the fine things life offers at the faithful’s expense.--Before the SSPX closed and sold St. Philomena to Pentecostals in the area. Fr. Hopkins had a lovely house near that Church. The SSPX could have stationed a priest there and rotated every month or so with another one; that way, the priest would get to live with other priests and have someone always on the station. They decided to sell the chapel and the house without telling a single soul about it except through an announcement on their website.
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That is exactly right. There is no excuse for it except to enjoy the fine things life offers at the faithful’s expense.--Before the SSPX closed and sold St. Philomena to Pentecostals in the area. Fr. Hopkins had a lovely house near that Church. The SSPX could have stationed a priest there and rotated every month or so with another one; that way, the priest would get to live with other priests and have someone always on the station. They decided to sell the chapel and the house without telling a single soul about it except through an announcement on their website.
I must say I'd have to think twice about putting money in the collection if I knew the priests were drinking $100 bottles of wine and smoking cuban cigars, and eat Kobe beef steaks on a regular basis. I'd send my contribution off to some other Traditional group that actually needed the money instead.
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Quote: "I know that when it comes to the SSPX, this is a concern for many Catholics."
??? Of course that is a concern!! The only way I can navigate the worst, most terrible, horrible, continuing disaster of the Most pure Holy Mother Church in the entire history of the world is to determine Who is really Roman Catholic, following truth and Tradition, then to find the enemies of God and His Church. Just like a football field has 2 ends, so does this battle have ONLY TWO war camps: God on one end, satan at the other far end. But in the middle there is a red line. If you step over that red line , you have just entered enemy territory...and you are now a traitor to God's militia.
Do you think Sspx Sanford Chapel is still fighting for God's glory? That local bishop is under obedience to the Pope, his superior. I therefore posit that our Holy Father tiptoed across the red line, ummh...? like, many seasons ago!! He just made a touchdown with F S in Dec 2023. 'Down' is a word esp. apt for this post...Heaven is Up , he ** is down. The Pope might be expecting a convert:popcorn:
Spiritual Work of Mercy: To instruct the Ignorant.
Pray!
ps. God will win!
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Didn't realize I posted anonymously.
Same thing just happened to me: Anonymous. I am thinking that if a user is browsing a thread without yet logging in, and then logging in to post a Reply, maybe the platform just can't figure what is going on.
Anyway, the two camps post was mine. Don't make buddy friends with dah enemy! Got it?? Pray for their conversion yes...
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Same thing just happened to me: Anonymous. I am thinking that if a user is browsing a thread without yet logging in, and then logging in to post a Reply, maybe the platform just can't figure what is going on.
Anyway, the two camps post was mine. Don't make buddy friends with dah enemy! Got it?? Pray for their conversion yes...
Now, individual Conciliars can be a bit on the fence in that they profess the Catholic faith, but the problem is that the entire Conciliar establishment is not Catholic and must be avoided, as it will contaminate Traditional Catholicism ... inevitably. You can try to dilute strong poisons in a lot of liquid, but they're still poisons even if they're harder to taste when diluted. in fact, they're more dangerous because you're less likely to notice them.
Just as the "old guard" priests are dying off, those who know what we're fighting against, and are getting replaced by "cradle Trads" who have no clue, Vatican II is repeating itself in microcosm within Traditional circles, particularly the neo-SSPX. We've already seen the earliest form of Modernism, the Biblical Modernism, breaking out in full force with Fr. Paul Robinson's horrific and scandalous work that is actually promoted officially by the Modernist SSPX. That's where Modernism started in the first place, and it's where it's starting again with the SSPX. They're also implementing precursors to Modernism in things like the Dialog Masses, the 1950s Holy Week Rites, etc. They're enforcing modesty standards less and less in their churches. Religious indifferentism runs rampant, as very few Trads actually believe in EENS dogma. We are witnessing in slow motion the SSPX trainwreck into Modernism the same way that it happened leading up to Vatican II.
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Isn't this the Dawn Marie chapel?
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Prior Venroy is on a rampage this week trying to get money for a bungled project in Davie. The faithful have been fleeced to the tune of a million dollars.
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“February 14th is Ash Wednesday* and a day of fast and abstinence. It is a grave obligation to keep this rule.
* Ashes will be available Sunday February 18th”
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“February 14th is Ash Wednesday* and a day of fast and abstinence. It is a grave obligation to keep this rule.
* Ashes will be available Sunday February 18th”
I am uncertain as to why this is posted with this thread, unless Mr./Miss/ Anonymous #29 is just a confused individual.
In pre VII praxis it was very common for throats to also be blessed on the Sunday following the observance of St. Blaise, February 2, and for ashes to also be imposed on the Sunday following the observance of Ash Wednesday. Not everyone was able to attend church on the actual day because of work or distance.
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The above post was mine.
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This was Noonan has up on the Diocesan website.
Please be aware that there are churches in Central Florida who identify themselves as “catholic,” however are not Roman Catholic Churches or parishes of the Diocese of Orlando. These churches are not in full communion with the Pope and Bishops of the one Catholic Church governed by Apostolic See nor do they recognize authority of the Pope.
Some of these churches are affiliated with groups which left the communion of the Roman Catholic Church (for example Churches affiliated with the Society of Pope Pius X) while others are founded without a beginning in the communion of the Roman Catholic Church.
To avoid confusion, please be aware that these churches are not reliable for their adherence to the Catholic faith as articulated in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Therefore, attendance at a liturgical service on Sunday at one of these churches may not fulfill your obligation to attend Sunday Mass and participate in the Sacred Liturgy.
Check the Diocese of Orlando website or call the Diocesan office at 407-246-4800 to determine if a church is affiliated with the Diocese of Orlando, under the leadership of Bishop John Noonan.
https://www.orlandodiocese.org/celebration-of-mass-in-the-diocese-of-orlando/
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Wait and see what happens when Francis cancels their happy relationship.
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This was Noonan has up on the Diocesan website.
Please be aware that there are churches in Central Florida who identify themselves as “catholic,” however are not Roman Catholic Churches or parishes of the Diocese of Orlando. These churches are not in full communion with the Pope and Bishops of the one Catholic Church governed by Apostolic See nor do they recognize authority of the Pope.
Some of these churches are affiliated with groups which left the communion of the Roman Catholic Church (for example Churches affiliated with the Society of Pope Pius X) while others are founded without a beginning in the communion of the Roman Catholic Church.
To avoid confusion, please be aware that these churches are not reliable for their adherence to the Catholic faith as articulated in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Therefore, attendance at a liturgical service on Sunday at one of these churches may not fulfill your obligation to attend Sunday Mass and participate in the Sacred Liturgy.
Check the Diocese of Orlando website or call the Diocesan office at 407-246-4800 to determine if a church is affiliated with the Diocese of Orlando, under the leadership of Bishop John Noonan.
https://www.orlandodiocese.org/celebration-of-mass-in-the-diocese-of-orlando/
Dear Jr1991,
It's a Lenten miracle! Please share the good news with Bishop Tissier de Mallerais!
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Some of these churches are affiliated with groups which left the communion of the Roman Catholic Church (for example Churches affiliated with the Society of Pope Pius X) while others are founded without a beginning in the communion of the Roman Catholic Church.
The bishop doesn't understand. The SSPX insists they are in communion with the pope and his Catholic Church. And they would know, right?
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I am uncertain as to why this is posted with this thread, unless Mr./Miss/ Anonymous #29 is just a confused individual.
In pre VII praxis it was very common for throats to also be blessed on the Sunday following the observance of St. Blaise, February 2, and for ashes to also be imposed on the Sunday following the observance of Ash Wednesday. Not everyone was able to attend church on the actual day because of work or distance.
Where I’m from, Ash Wednesday was on Wednesday. It’s not Ash “Sunday”. Lol.
Even the novus Ordo in our area has Ash Wednesday on Wednesday. They had several Masses and Ashes today. From 8am, 12pm and tonight at 7pm.
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Just talked to a pre Vatican II Catholic, Ash Wednesday was always on Wednesday.
The problem is 8 priests at one location while other chapels don’t even have one full time Priest when there should be.
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The problem is 8 priests at one location while other chapels don’t even have one full time Priest when there should be.
Agreed. Our priest (independent full-time) distributes ashes both on Wednesday and on the following Sunday (First Sunday of Lent), but if I can't make it Wednesday, I don't go on Sunday because ... well, it's the wrong day.
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Just talked to a pre Vatican II Catholic, Ash Wednesday was always on Wednesday.
The problem is 8 priests at one location while other chapels don’t even have one full time Priest when there should be.
I am a pre Vatican ll Catholic, and I know by my own experience that the majority of pre Vatican ll Catholics had walking distance to attend Ash Wednesday Mass. Nowadays there is not even a Sunday Mass to attend within 5 hrs car expedition.
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I understand that there is a concern about the SSPX in Florida being out of control. This weekend, during the first weekend of Lent, SSPX Davie is hosting a fundraiser that includes the availability of fine cigars, alcoholic beverages, and excellent cuisine. The entry fee is $125,000, per person and it does not cover the cost of cigars and alcohol. After the event, it is unlikely that they will observe Lent with traditional penitential practices. Don't expect them to revert to sackcloth and ashes after the event.
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This is the "Bishop" to whom SSPX Florida is submitting.
(https://i.imgur.com/ZAa01FZ.png)
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Where I’m from, Ash Wednesday was on Wednesday. It’s not Ash “Sunday”. Lol.
Even the novus Ordo in our area has Ash Wednesday on Wednesday.
Just talked to a pre Vatican II Catholic, Ash Wednesday was always on Wednesday.
I wonder sometimes about the reading comprehension of some.
Yes, Ash Wednesday is indeed on Ash Wednesday, six weeks and four days before Easter Sunday, and the commemoration of St. Blaise, patron saint of diseases of the throat, is on February 3rd. I NEVER said otherwise! What I did say was that where I grew up as a pre VII Catholic (born June 1951, First Holy Communion May 1959), in addition to the blessing of throats on February 3rd and the distribution of ashes on Ash Wednesday, which was when the vast majority received those sacramental, the Church ALSO (not instead of) provided, on the following Sunday, the blessing of throats and the imposition of Ashes for those who were not able to attend church on February 3rd and Ash Wednesday. Maybe this dispensation was up to the local ordinary or the pastor? IDK.
We still don’t know who Mr./Mrs./Miss (or maybe it’s Ms.) Anonymous #29 poster is, nor what was His/Her/It's purpose for posting some random presumable bulletin announcement, nor what was its source.
I am a pre Vatican ll Catholic, and I know by my own experience that the majority of pre Vatican ll Catholics had walking distance to attend Ash Wednesday Mass.
Maybe true where the above poster lived, but I doubt true for “the majority”, it defiantly wasn’t where I lived. Our farm was 20 miles from the closest church. A priest from the parish offered a Low Mass on Sunday’s at the public school cafeteria, but not on Ash Wednesday nor other days not on Sunday. All across rural America few lived closer than 10 miles from a church.
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This is the "Bishop" to whom SSPX Florida is submitting.
Not just submitting but paying “homage”.
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This is the "Bishop" to whom SSPX Florida is submitting.
(https://i.imgur.com/ZAa01FZ.png)
From that photo angle at least, Noonan looks a lot like hellboy Jimmy Martin. Separated at birth?
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This should put to rest the question of when blessed ashes can be imposed on the faithful. Perhaps whoever down thumbed me will take note:
Matters Liturgical, The Collectio Rerum Litrugicarum of Rev. Joseph Wuest, C.SS.R. Translated by Rev. Thomas W. Mullaney, C.SS.R. Re-arranged and Enlarged by Rev. William T. Barry, C.SS.R., S.S.L.
Father Wuest’s first edition was published in Latin in 1889 and the first English translation by Father Mullaney was published in 1924. My citations are from the eighth English edition, prepared by Father Barry and published in 1955 with the Nihil Obstat and Imprimatur.
497. Ash Wednesday
o) The practice of imposing ashes on the faithful on the first Sunday of Lent at the end of the Mass or apart from Mass is permitted, provided that the ashes were blessed and imposed on Ash Wednesday according to the regular rite. With the permission of the local Ordinary this may also be done in non-parochial churches and oratories but under the above conditions.
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The above was from me. I so despise the abuse of the anonymous forum.
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The above was from me. I so despise the abuse of the anonymous forum.
I share your negative disposition towards how the Anonymous forum is being misused.
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I share your negative disposition towards how the Anonymous forum is being misused.
So, this thread may be an OK use of the forum, since the OP could very likely attend the SSPX Sanford chapel and his username here on CI might be known to some others there.
But other threads are clearly abuses ... such as those (recently) by people who want to gripe about Father Feeney. There's no reason for the latter to be in Anonymous other than that the coward refuses to reveal himself. There's nothing that would redound to the person's disadvantage were his anti-Feeneyite vitriol made known, since nearly all Trad groups would embrace him with open arms and even give him high fives for starting the threads. Another reason someone might start such a thread in Anonymous is that we forum end users cannot distinguish between Anons, so the same individual might try to pose as multiple people all agreeing on his point of view, whereas it's just one individual using various sock puppets.
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This should put to rest the question of when blessed ashes can be imposed on the faithful. Perhaps whoever down thumbed me will take note:
I myself did not say that it CANNOT be done, or was not done Traditionally, only that I don't participate if I have to receive the ashes on Sunday, since I personally find it dissonant with the administration of ashes being properly done on Ash Wednesday. Sundays tend to be these oases from the penitential spirit of Lent, or at least that's how I've always viewed them. Similarly, no one is stopping someone from fasting on Sundays of Lent, but it's not required, because the Church views Sundays as more joyous feasts, as every Sunday in a sense commemorates Our Lord's Resurrection. So ... I was expressing my own personal preference.
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I myself did not say that it CANNOT be done, or was not done Traditionally, only that I don't participate if I have to receive the ashes on Sunday, since I personally find it dissonant with the administration of ashes being properly done on Ash Wednesday. Sundays tend to be these oases from the penitential spirit of Lent, or at least that's how I've always viewed them. Similarly, no one is stopping someone from fasting on Sundays of Lent, but it's not required, because the Church views Sundays as more joyous feasts, as every Sunday in a sense commemorates Our Lord's Resurrection. So ... I was expressing my own personal preference.
I did understand your position in your Reply #38, it was very well stated. There were other comments that implied that the practice of ALSO offering blessed ashes on the First Sunday of Lent was some kind of liturgical abuse, or a post VII "innovation", which is simple NOT true, and I provided an authentic citation from a pre VII source.
What seems interesting is that offering blessed ashes on the First Sunday of Lent was a common pre VII practice where I grew up (I can't speak for other parts of the world) but I have NEVER seen it done since the liturgical changes.
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Lad,
The Church has external solemnities on Sundays for a bunch of holy days. Why doesn’t Ash Wednesday follow the same logic? Technically, Ash Wednesday isn’t even in Lent (it’s just the beginning of the 40 day fast). So the application of ashes on the first Sunday (and start) of Lent…seems to be just as applicable (in terms of spiritual meaning) as some Wednesday which isn’t even part of Lent.
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That was me.
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Lad,
The Church has external solemnities on Sundays for a bunch of holy days. Why doesn’t Ash Wednesday follow the same logic? Technically, Ash Wednesday isn’t even in Lent (it’s just the beginning of the 40 day fast). So the application of ashes on the first Sunday (and start) of Lent…seems to be just as applicable (in terms of spiritual meaning) as some Wednesday which isn’t even part of Lent.
Well, the ashes are meant to coincide with the start of the 40 days of fasting.
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What better thing to start Lent than to have a dinner gala?
(https://i.imgur.com/bJ0wBVN.png)
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What better thing to start Lent than to have a dinner gala?
(https://i.imgur.com/bJ0wBVN.png)
Is it an issue if the dinner will be the main meal of the day?
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Is it an issue if the dinner will be the main meal of the day?
It's a four-hour gala. Dinner even as a main meal normally doesn't take several hours, much less during Lent. The word "gala" also sounds like it's more than simply dinner. (Note that wedding banquets are a no-no during Lent.) If they wanted an event connected to Lepanto, then they could have done it back in early October.
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This idea and event during Lent is SOOO novus ordo! It's all about the money.
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Everything is done in phases. A gradual blending. The deal with Rome was done in 2012?
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I understand that there is a concern about the SSPX in Florida being out of control. This weekend, during the first weekend of Lent, SSPX Davie is hosting a fundraiser that includes the availability of fine cigars, alcoholic beverages, and excellent cuisine. The entry fee is $125,000, per person and it does not cover the cost of cigars and alcohol. After the event, it is unlikely that they will observe Lent with traditional penitential practices. Don't expect them to revert to sackcloth and ashes after the event.
Is this for real?
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I did understand your position in your Reply #38, it was very well stated. There were other comments that implied that the practice of ALSO offering blessed ashes on the First Sunday of Lent was some kind of liturgical abuse, or a post VII "innovation", which is simple NOT true, and I provided an authentic citation from a pre VII source.
What seems interesting is that offering blessed ashes on the First Sunday of Lent was a common pre VII practice where I grew up (I can't speak for other parts of the world) but I have NEVER seen it done since the liturgical changes.
It is abuse. 8 priests in Florida and a part time priest serving Philadelphia and Southern New Jersey, Delaware area.
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It is abuse. 8 priests in Florida and a part time priest serving Philadelphia and Southern New Jersey, Delaware area.
That’s me.
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According to Operation Lepanto the SSPX chapel in Davie has raised 847K of a desired 2 Million.
https://givebutter.com/davie
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670K of the $847,000 came from selling the Shrine of St. Philomena to Pentecotals in Miami.
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They sold a shrine?
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They sold a shrine?
Yes, in the middle of COVID
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It is abuse. 8 priests in Florida and a part time priest serving Philadelphia and Southern New Jersey, Delaware area.
Unless there is money to be made in Philly, you can forget about it.
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According to Operation Lepanto the SSPX chapel in Davie has raised 847K of a desired 2 Million.
https://givebutter.com/davie
Well, the more Novus Ordized you get, the more you broaden your revenue base.
I bet that a lot of the "softening" in the SSPX against the Novus Ordo is based on not wanting to reduce their revenue base ... since they have to pay for those idiotic huge expenditures, the $50 million seminary and $25 million church at St. Mary's.
In other words, the SSPX is behaving more and more like grifters. That's common in the Novus Ordo, where the priests aren't permitted to make the assembled masses upset or uncomfortable lest the collections dry up.
Meanwhile, the True Remnant remain in the catacombs, whereas the SSPX are emerging with their white flags.
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According to Operation Lepanto the SSPX chapel in Davie has raised 847K of a desired 2 Million.
https://givebutter.com/davie
Unless something has changed, the proper and necessary permits for building a church on their property has not and may never be issued. The neighbors don't want additional traffic. Maybe the prior needs more money for permits.
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Unless something has changed, the proper and necessary permits for building a church on their property has not and may never be issued. The neighbors don't want additional traffic. Maybe the prior needs more money for permits.
Yes, the land they purchased for $1,200,000, which came from the first phase of the fundraising in which the SSPX collected a million dollars from faithful, is not zoned for Church use. Only Agriculture, the zoning board rejected the SSPX request for a variance.
The SSPX in Sanford has now told the mass-goers in Davie that they are trying to execute a "land transfer." --With the Town of Davie. This is something I do not believe, to be honest with you. Maybe someone here has more information about that. I can't believe people continue to be so gullible with their money.
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I thought the Prior said that he wants the faithful to "build him a bigger church" in Sanford--that was why they "had to" use the Novus Ordo meeting house instead of the SSPX Chapel?
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I thought the Prior said that he wants the faithful to "build him a bigger church" in Sanford--that was why they "had to" use the Novus Ordo meeting house instead of the SSPX Chapel?
Yes, he actually threatened the faithful in Sanford, saying if they did not build him a bigger Church, he would move to Davie. But he does not have the land or the funds in Davie.
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Yes, the land they purchased for $1,200,000, which came from the first phase of the fundraising in which the SSPX collected a million dollars from faithful, is not zoned for Church use. Only Agriculture, the zoning board rejected the SSPX request for a variance.
The SSPX in Sanford has now told the mass-goers in Davie that they are trying to execute a "land transfer." --With the Town of Davie. This is something I do not believe, to be honest with you. Maybe someone here has more information about that. I can't believe people continue to be so gullible with their money.
If the people donating money do not know that the SSPX cannot build on that property, how is that not fraud? At the least it is lying by omission.
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If the people donating money do not know that the SSPX cannot build on that property, how is that not fraud? At the least it is lying by omission.
I think the parishioners have bought into the land transfer story. The others who don't know well they are being duped.
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Sorry, I meant to say land swap.
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Yes, the land they purchased for $1,200,000, which came from the first phase of the fundraising in which the SSPX collected a million dollars from faithful, is not zoned for Church use. Only Agriculture, the zoning board rejected the SSPX request for a variance.
The SSPX in Sanford has now told the mass-goers in Davie that they are trying to execute a "land transfer." --With the Town of Davie. This is something I do not believe, to be honest with you. Maybe someone here has more information about that. I can't believe people continue to be so gullible with their money.
It would be interesting to see the names on that deed in Davie listed as owners. How many priests in the SSPX own property and how many parcels are owned by Bishop Felley's investment company?
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It would be interesting to see the names on that deed in Davie listed as owners. How many priests in the SSPX own property and how many parcels are owned by Bishop Felley's investment company?
And how many owned by Max Krah personally?
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The SSPX Davie is going after big-money clientele. These are not my words; they said it themselves at the zoning hearing last year. The parishioners at St Philomena in Miami, while poor in material wealth, were wealthy in the faith. Ultimately, that’s what cost them their chapel.
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It would be interesting to see the names on that deed in Davie listed as owners. How many priests in the SSPX own property and how many parcels are owned by Bishop Felley's investment company?
I used my hunting app and the very good Florida State business look up. All known chapel locations have a sspx business nomenclature and each business entity has the same names associated. Basically sspx sg, USA sg and bursar, bishop gallareta, Fr. Leroche. In Orlando there is 4 properties. 3 are right next to another and the other almost 5 acres is a short distance away. No Krah and no Bishop Fellay on the directors list.
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Is it permissible to donate $1,000 to be added to the book of intentions in the honor of St Philomena, or is it considered simony?
https://youtu.be/0K0DLOxQxIY
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It's a book of "Foundational Masses". I've never heard of it.
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Yes, in the middle of COVID
That’s sneaky and terrible. I’m sorry to hear this. There has been problems involving real estate in the past.
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Obviously worth something, if the Pentecostals bought the shrine real estate.
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The SSPX Davie is going after big-money clientele. These are not my words; they said it themselves at the zoning hearing last year. The parishioners at St Philomena in Miami, while poor in material wealth, were wealthy in the faith. Ultimately, that’s what cost them their chapel.
How far is Miami to nearest chapel?
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How far is Miami to nearest chapel?
There’s an independent chapel on Flagler Ave (Our Lady of Sorrows ) in Miami that I’m sure the former SSPX parishioners attend, to answer your question though, 30-40 minute drive
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I must say I'd have to think twice about putting money in the collection if I knew the priests were drinking $100 bottles of wine and smoking cuban cigars, and eat Kobe beef steaks on a regular basis. I'd send my contribution off to some other Traditional group that actually needed the money instead.
This concerns a former SSPX chapel in a faraway place. I saw this only yesterday:
https://nicholasjosephlim.weebly.com/reasons-that-led-to-leave-sspx.html
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Just because the land is zoned agriculture doesn’t matter. You go to township meetings and it can be changed. Also, is the farmland preserved or not? If not, the Sspx can get money from the town,county and state, to preserve the land.
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Just because the land is zoned agriculture doesn’t matter. You go to township meetings and it can be changed. Also, is the farmland preserved or not? If not, the Sspx can get money from the town,county and state, to preserve the land.
They did just that and the Town rejected their request.
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8 priests huh? It's got to be the US dumping ground for the SSPX. There are problems with the traditional ones. India now problematic. The rest of Asia has the Resistance in action. So does Ireland. The dumpees loudly protest Mexico. Who wants the post 2000 Vernoy anywhere in the world?
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This concerns a former SSPX chapel in a faraway place. I saw this only yesterday:
https://nicholasjosephlim.weebly.com/reasons-that-led-to-leave-sspx.html
Sounds like some disgruntled parishioners trying to control the priests. All of us know how that ultimately turns out.
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Sounds like some disgruntled parishioners trying to control the priests. All of us know how that ultimately turns out.
Nonsense. Sounds like completely out-of-line behavior by the priests, who often try to set themselves up as little gods in the parishes, putting them in jeopardy by overspending (money they didn't have), disabling the legally-required fire safety equipment, subjecting them to legal jeopardy, and then ripping off the chapel on their way out. Typical SSPX behavior, and this wouldn't be the first time I've heard of such things ... typical SSPX bullying.
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Anyone donating to the SSPX Florida deserves what they get. The only thing they care about is money and earthly comforts. What they did to the chapel in Miami is unforgivable.
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Nonsense. Sounds like completely out-of-line behavior by the priests, who often try to set themselves up as little gods in the parishes, putting them in jeopardy by overspending (money they didn't have), disabling the legally-required fire safety equipment, subjecting them to legal jeopardy, and then ripping off the chapel on their way out. Typical SSPX behavior, and this wouldn't be the first time I've heard of such things ... typical SSPX bullying.
There is already a big red flag on what was written, chiefly they claim to have always accorded the priests full authority, yet refused to do so later on. Were they asked to commit sins against Faith and morals? It seems more like there have been some disagreements over prudential judgments which I think is not a good enough reason to reach such an outcome. This case also reminds me of what happened at Our Lady Help of Christians some years back.