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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: SSPX Fake Priests
« Reply #205 on: August 05, 2025, 04:02:26 PM »
The Sedevacantist Diamond Brothers from which all this nonsense arises from, are renowned for splitting hairs and twisting things to fit their own private narrative.

What a total pack of lies.  There are many R&R types who reject the validity of Conciliar Holy Orders, and I know several such priests, and faithful Catholics were questioning the validity of the Orders long before the Dimond Brothers even knew what sedevacantism was.

If you present yourself as a credible participant in the debate, then you need to stop vomiting forth logical fallacies, distortions, and lies.

Offline Ladislaus

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« Reply #206 on: August 05, 2025, 04:06:24 PM »
But it did come from the Church. And the 'OLD' SSPX, including Archbishop Lefebvre, accepted this rite - at least in the original Latin - as valid and without positive doubt. 

1) False.  Archbishop Lefebvre wavered back and forth on this question, as he did on many others, where in the early 1980s he was most inclined to get in bed with the Modernists.

2) Who cares?  It's irrelevant to the debate.  Many weight reasons have been adduced by some very well educated Catholic men, including bishops and priests, that suffice to establish at least positive doubt, and your gratuitously declaring the opposite out of your wishful thinking simply doesn't make it so.  You ignore every argument presented here and just regurgitate your conclusions over and over again, making false appeals to authority and then ad hominem attacks against those on the other position (PS -- most sedevacantist clergy despite the Dimond Brothers).


Offline Ladislaus

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« Reply #207 on: August 05, 2025, 04:15:00 PM »
The main argument being made on this thread is that the SSPX have turned modernist because they do not re-ordain every NO priest that either joins them or works with them.

Another lie and distortion.  Main point of this thread is to expose the fake priests that the SSPX are imposing on the consciences of the faithful for purely political reasons, since they can't afford to offend Rome.  There's absolutely no reason whatsoever that conditional ordination of all Novus Ordo presbyters should not be mandatory ... except that SSPX can't do that lest they offend Rome, since they're desperately attempting to effect a return tot he Conciliar collective.

In the past, SSPX have nearly always conditionally ordained, without engaging in some charade of an "investigation" ... as if "intention" can be investigated.  Pope Leo XIII taught the opposite in Apostolicae Curae.

Now, it is true that they used to hedge their bets by BLAMING the uncertainty and doubt on ambiguous formulae combined with unknown / uncertain intention, since they were afraid to commit to something that might lend itself toward sedevacantism (which they hate with a passion) and yet wanted to come up with some plausible-sounding justification for why, as a matter of course, they always conditionally ordained Novus Ordo priests.  But the general policy was to ordain conditionally ... as has been made quite clear from the citations presented here from +Lefebvre as the years went on.  Alas, there was one tragic incident in which +Lefebvre tried to impose a Novus Ordo Fake Priest, a Mr. Stark, in the early 1980s, but that occurred when +Lefebvre was probably as liberal as +Fellay is today, begging to simply make the "experiment of Tradition" while accepting Vatican II in the light of Tradition.

As for SSPX turning Modernist, there's a mountain of evidence for that outside of this issue and entirely independent of it, which Sean Johnson thoroughly cataloged in his book.  It's clear that they most certainly are slouching Modernist, right down to promoting that heretical Modernist book by Paul Robison.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: SSPX Fake Priests
« Reply #208 on: August 05, 2025, 04:20:56 PM »
If you choose to answer to no-one accept the Diamond Brothers, that's your affair. But don't suggest that your open rebellion against any Catholic authority, is caused by the SSPX going soft.

Again with the lies, you pernicious malefactor, lying again that the Dimond Brothers came up with this, rather than that the evidence clearly demonstrates it.

Then of course you somehow manage to say with a straight face that questioning the NO Rites is a "rebellion against any Catholic authority".  What authority?  That of the Modernists in Rome?  Oh, wait, the SSPX have always been admittedly in open rebellion against the "authority" of those Modernists, against their teaching authority, their authority to impose a New Mass, etc.  Or do you mean the (non-existent) authority of the SSPX themselves, where they have the temerity to require obedience to their non-jurisdiction, while at the same time rejecting the requirement for obedience to the Vicar of Christ.

Nor is it "our affair" only when the SSPX try to impose fake priests on the consciences of the faithful, you pernicious dirtbag.  SSPX have made it everyone's affair by imposing these fake priest.  Now, the opposite is what's true, that if YOU wish to go to town attending the "Masses" of "Presbyter Bob" at your local chapel and you're willing to risk your own salvation on it, now THAT is YOUR AFFAIR.  But that's not what's going on here.  Those of YOUR ILK are trying to impose your conclusions on everyone else, but then you cry out in pain as you strike the others.

Your spew filthy and disgusting lies, error, and distortions with every sentence ... and are scuм, hiding in Anonymity.  Get lost, you turd.

Re: SSPX Fake Priests
« Reply #209 on: August 05, 2025, 05:19:04 PM »