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Re: Should I stop doing Bible study with a Protestant girl?
« Reply #90 on: July 06, 2023, 08:39:50 AM »
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  • I am the poster who gave good manly advice to the OP earlier.

    You live obviously a very sheltered existence.

    Plus your earlier post showed complete and total ignorance about the dreamy nature of young women.

    You and the men you influence are exactly what's wrong with traditional Catholics these days.

    It is happening to some extent in places not too affected by SSPX liberalism, but we will only restore society when we have strong men, and obedient humble women following them. Men who know how to be compassionate without losing principles, but mainly who are not afraid of the sophisms of deceitful trad women seeking to undermine the authority of men, and create some soft world.

    People, we are in a fight for our Catholic faith. We need to be brave. Our families are losing the faith, because men don't do what needs to be done within the domain they have actual control and influence over. Existing fathers have mostly lost all conception of the idea of producing a humble daughter to be a good wife, and instead worry too much about protecting her, and getting her to go to university etc. etc. They do nothing to link with single trad men who would be good candidates. (There are quite a few).

    So this is how are families are falling apart.  Worldliness. Which creates fear, which leads eventually to liberalism and apostasy.

    There's some promising trends coming out of Gen z these days like #tradwife and #passportbros. Most of these people attracted to these will be from imperfect family environments.
    But there is still a possibility for existing normal trad fathers to reverse the trend. The ignation retreats books talks about how women will back down with courage. Indeed we all know this is the case. They are weaker than us. They require compassion therefore, but also strong leadership.

    St. Francis de Sales warns men getting married to remember that you are her head. Clearly the bigger problem is that men tend to forget this. Not the reverse. Lets wake up to this fact, and support men who are trying to be strong, rather than tear them down.
    #tradwife and #passportbros? Promising trends? Excuse me? Those so called tradwife online are thots in their 1950s costumes. Passportbros are the men who do international hook-up aka fornication. If those are our promise, oh Lord help us this is indeed the END TIME.


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    Re: Should I stop doing Bible study with a Protestant girl?
    « Reply #91 on: July 06, 2023, 09:13:00 AM »
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  • we will only restore society when we have strong men, and obedient humble women following them. Men who know how to be compassionate without losing principles, but mainly who are not afraid of the sophisms of deceitful trad women seeking to undermine the authority of men, and create some soft world.
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    Our families are losing the faith, because men don't do what needs to be done within the domain they have actual control and influence over. Existing fathers have mostly lost all conception of the idea of producing a humble daughter to be a good wife, and instead worry too much about protecting her, and getting her to go to university etc. etc. They do nothing to link with single trad men who would be good candidates. (There are quite a few).
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    They are weaker than us. They require compassion therefore, but also strong leadership.
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    St. Francis de Sales warns men getting married to remember that you are her head. Clearly the bigger problem is that men tend to forget this. Not the reverse. Lets wake up to this fact, and support men who are trying to be strong, rather than tear them down.

    If a father is trying to protect his sheltered daughter, the last thing he should do is get her to university. And fathers who assume they can hand over a wide-eyed virgin to a valiant knight sometimes find soon enough that things don't work out so well.

    Deceitful women aren't weak when they scheme and undermine, and their target is as much gullible women and girls as it is their own husbands and sons. These harpies are weak only in succuмbing to evil, and that feature is contagious for young women who were never taught to resist these shrews decisively.

    Girls need to be spiritually fortified as much as boys do, yet in a different way appropriate to their sex. It's harder when fathers realize too late that their wives are not up to it, so let's not perpetuate into another generation a one-dimensional notion of female weakness. Headship is about authority, it's not about mindless women. The only way that a wife can sustain humility and obedience is by freely accepting the God-given strength to know in both heart and mind that it's what's right. 
    Let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things pass away: God never changes. Patience obtains all things. He who has God finds he lacks nothing; God alone suffices. - St. Teresa of Jesus


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    « Reply #92 on: July 06, 2023, 09:29:43 AM »
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  • You can say I live sheltered existence, or rather I chose my surrounding people wisely so that I don't face the dangers of compromising my faith with bad companions too much. Thus I made it clear, it was from MY experience, and MY background, that I saw men failing women way more often. I also explained why I could be biased in my post - I obviously befriended women more than men opposed to male posters. If this is wrong and I should somehow be more open-minded and less sheltered, I rather stay ignorant and not to bother myself to emphasise on sinful nature of whatever groups.
    I don't know which manly advice you were talking about. I suggested the OP it's a bad idea to do bible study without guidance and I also supported the idea of don't be friends with her (not based on her sex but she's in fact a schismatic and heretic). Was it a  manly or womanly advice? :smirk:
    I totally agree with what you're saying about importance of having strong men which was also why I brought up the issue with weak men in society now. It sounds like you had a problem with it somehow. Or do you think it's just not a woman's place to have any criticism on men whatsoever?
    Problem is it's YOU defining what a strong man is. You being a woman.

    Women are totally ill-equipped to make macro social judgments. Micro social judgments sure, but after that, they should leave it to their husband. Who I notice you are not mentioning, but that's an aside.

    We live in a society of rebellion, and revolution. The last thing good women should be doing is encouraging that trend. Sure, when a husband is neglecting his family a wife might speak up. But your observation was so typically female and vague, and it smacked of the kind of irrational nonsense that us men with wisdom of years are use to rolling our eyes at.

    It was patently false by the way. If by weak and degenerate you meant allowing their girls to go to university? Sure! Or letting themselves be controlled by their wives? Or producing girls who are insolent and therefore unattractive to men? If thats all of what you meant, then I agree.

    But I don't think you did, because you were saying how trad men don't deserve trad women. As if the problem is with men. No, the problem is squarely with the single women. Now, let's be clear that's only the immediate cause. The distant cause is their weak fathers.

    This is where we are at folks. Men looking to get married are so turned off trad women, that they are going outside of tradition. And some of these marriages, even if she doesn't convert are very happy marriages, because often these women know their place better than so called trad women.

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    Re: Should I stop doing Bible study with a Protestant girl?
    « Reply #93 on: July 06, 2023, 09:33:19 AM »
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  • #tradwife and #passportbros? Promising trends? Excuse me? Those so called tradwife online are thots in their 1950s costumes. Passportbros are the men who do international hook-up aka fornication. If those are our promise, oh Lord help us this is indeed the END TIME.


    I'm trying to figure out whether you are being deliberately stupid or not.

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    « Reply #94 on: July 06, 2023, 09:37:37 AM »
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  • This is where we are at folks. Men looking to get married are so turned off trad women, that they are going outside of tradition. And some of these marriages, even if she doesn't convert are very happy marriages, because often these women know their place better than so called trad women.
    That's not a wife, that's a concubine.


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    Re: Should I stop doing Bible study with a Protestant girl?
    « Reply #95 on: July 06, 2023, 09:49:58 AM »
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  • You can say I live sheltered existence, or rather I chose my surrounding people wisely so that I don't face the dangers of compromising my faith with bad companions too much. Thus I made it clear, it was from MY experience, and MY background, that I saw men failing women way more often. I also explained why I could be biased in my post - I obviously befriended women more than men opposed to male posters. If this is wrong and I should somehow be more open-minded and less sheltered, I rather stay ignorant and not to bother myself to emphasise on sinful nature of whatever groups.
    I don't know which manly advice you were talking about. I suggested the OP it's a bad idea to do bible study without guidance and I also supported the idea of don't be friends with her (not based on her sex but she's in fact a schismatic and heretic). Was it a  manly or womanly advice? :smirk:
    I totally agree with what you're saying about importance of having strong men which was also why I brought up the issue with weak men in society now. It sounds like you had a problem with it somehow. Or do you think it's just not a woman's place to have any criticism on men whatsoever?
    "I... I... I... I... I..." Take a lesson from Charlie Daniels.


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    Re: Should I stop doing Bible study with a Protestant girl?
    « Reply #96 on: July 06, 2023, 10:09:45 AM »
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  • "I... I... I... I... I..." Take a lesson from Charlie Daniels.



    Women do tend to use the personal pronoun "I" more often than men. But still, EVERYONE on this thread is offering a personal opinion, whether male or female. Don't lose sight of that. 

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    Re: Should I stop doing Bible study with a Protestant girl?
    « Reply #97 on: July 06, 2023, 10:28:42 AM »
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  • "If it weren't for the fact that they can produce fertile offspring together, most data/facts/observations suggest that men and women are different species."

    Or something to that effect.

    Seriously, look it up. The differences between men and women go FAR beyond what's below the belt or how they go pee. Women being able to bear children, hormonal differences, and radically different brain configuration are the BEGINNING of the male/female differences. The entire body is different, from top to bottom. Digestive system, skin, hair, proportions, muscle structure, most common diseases/disorders, everything!

    And don't forget sensitivity to cold.  In any office you will ever go to, women will have their sweaters and smocks to stay warm, have those little heaters under their desks so their feet won't get cold, and so on.  Men don't do this.

    Strangely enough, though, this sensitivity seems to evaporate whenever they want to wear their skimpy little outfits in the name of "fashion", "looking cute", and so on.  I have to think that some of it is psychosomatic --- they think they're going to get cold, so they get cold.  When they want to "show skin", suddenly "getting cold" isn't an issue anymore.


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    Re: Should I stop doing Bible study with a Protestant girl?
    « Reply #98 on: July 06, 2023, 10:47:53 AM »
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  • And don't forget sensitivity to cold.  In any office you will ever go to, women will have their sweaters and smocks to stay warm, have those little heaters under their desks so their feet won't get cold, and so on.  Men don't do this.

    Strangely enough, though, this sensitivity seems to evaporate whenever they want to wear their skimpy little outfits in the name of "fashion", "looking cute", and so on.  I have to think that some of it is psychosomatic --- they think they're going to get cold, so they get cold.  When they want to "show skin", suddenly "getting cold" isn't an issue anymore.

    Physiologically, the reason women tend to get cold more often is that it's their extremities that get cold (shoulders, arms, hands, legs, feet) because most of the warmth from their body temperature is transferred to their womb/abdomen and center mass.  Biologically, so that the center stays warm enough for the baby when she's pregnant.  

    Men it's the opposite.  Colder mid sections and warmer extremities.  It's not a huge difference but enough of one to where they always feel cold.  

    The skimpy clothing thing is their strong internal urge to want to be "desired" and get attention overriding their desire for comfort.    

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    « Reply #99 on: July 06, 2023, 10:59:03 AM »
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  • Women also have a slightly higher avg internal temperature (slightly higher than 98.6), thus they do feel colder quicker than men.  Also, they have way less muscle mass.

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    Re: Should I stop doing Bible study with a Protestant girl?
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  • Going off topic everyone...

    OP here. Thanks everyone for your replies and the resources you recommended I look at.

    I spoke with this girl a few days ago and we agreed to stop the bible study but still remain friends. She persuaded me to keep reading the bible on my own, which I haven't done in almost two years. Glad this ended well. :)


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    Re: Should I stop doing Bible study with a Protestant girl?
    « Reply #101 on: July 06, 2023, 03:06:31 PM »
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  • Going off topic everyone...

    OP here. Thanks everyone for your replies and the resources you recommended I look at.

    I spoke with this girl a few days ago and we agreed to stop the bible study but still remain friends. She persuaded me to keep reading the bible on my own, which I haven't done in almost two years. Glad this ended well. :)
    No problem. Remember to pray the rosary!

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  • Going off topic everyone...

    OP here. Thanks everyone for your replies and the resources you recommended I look at.

    I spoke with this girl a few days ago and we agreed to stop the bible study but still remain friends. She persuaded me to keep reading the bible on my own, which I haven't done in almost two years. Glad this ended well. :)
    Make sure to use a good commentary if you do that. Cornelius Lapide and Haydock are pretty good. You can also get the Catena app which has commentaries from Fathers, Doctors, and other learned men.

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    « Reply #103 on: July 06, 2023, 05:34:51 PM »
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  • Bad idea!  If you have no source of a Catholic teacher, check online for an introductory college or adult class.  You do realize Protestants with very exceptions, do not use the same Bible?  If you admittedly know next to nothing, you are in no way ready to argue apologetics!  

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    Re: Should I stop doing Bible study with a Protestant girl?
    « Reply #104 on: July 06, 2023, 06:41:33 PM »
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  • Bad idea!  If you have no source of a Catholic teacher, check online for an introductory college or adult class.  You do realize Protestants with very exceptions, do not use the same Bible?  If you admittedly know next to nothing, you are in no way ready to argue apologetics! 

    This is very, very important. Douay-Rheims or nothing. The other translations are misleading word for word and also chop out the sections that the heretical translators didn't like. Protestants are one thing, but the new Catholic translations are horrible and the modernized commentary in the footnotes is even worse. (Note that in Reply #102 two steps up, those recommended commentaries are for Douay-Rheims.)

    When Protestants tell Catholics that the Church won't let them read the Bible, it's a lie. It's that Catholics should not read bad translations. If you want to crosscheck, this website gives different versions. https://biblehub.com/  In the light blue stripe at the top of the screen, DRB is Douay-Rheims. Then find the version this girl was using and compare how they distort it.

    Until you do get hold of a printed one, this other website is just Douay-Rheims and is put together by one dedicated Catholic volunteer. https://drbo.org/
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