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Re: Should I stop doing Bible study with a Protestant girl?
« Reply #75 on: July 05, 2023, 08:55:03 AM »
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  • What's wrong with marrying a trad girl?  Why are so many Catholic men chasing prots, divorcees, pagans, and then posting on this forum asking if it's OK?

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    Re: Should I stop doing Bible study with a Protestant girl?
    « Reply #76 on: July 05, 2023, 09:16:07 AM »
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  • What's wrong with marrying a trad girl?  Why are so many Catholic men chasing prots, divorcees, pagans, and then posting on this forum asking if it's OK?

    Probably because there are not many Traditionalist women in general.

    Most people who attend Traditionalist chapels do some kind of traveling, so, they usually live far from each other, while non-Catholic or Novus Ordo Catholics women are much more widespread.

    So, it is tempting to look at the pretty girl you see everyday and who might be a agreeable companion.


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    Re: Should I stop doing Bible study with a Protestant girl?
    « Reply #77 on: July 05, 2023, 09:34:41 AM »
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  • What's wrong with marrying a trad girl?  Why are so many Catholic men chasing prots, divorcees, pagans, and then posting on this forum asking if it's OK?

    Maybe too that the good doesn't get publicized while the wayward situations do.

    Mr. OP, check out the forum threads below even though some of the dates have passed, and also the two Auriesville Shrine pilgrimages coming up in September. Don't hastily consider these assuming that you'll meet the future Mrs. Right, but rather that you'll meet some peers of a healthier mindset. Perhaps worth a trip.

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    Re: Should I stop doing Bible study with a Protestant girl?
    « Reply #78 on: July 05, 2023, 12:47:19 PM »
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  • What's wrong with marrying a trad girl?  Why are so many Catholic men chasing prots, divorcees, pagans, and then posting on this forum asking if it's OK?
    Judge from my own experience, I think some men just don't deserve trad girl. Weak men, degenerate men everywhere that pretend to be traditional.
    Then afterwards they go anonymous asking advices for their broken marriage that no one but the divine can fix because their wives want to do this and that which are against catholic teaching.
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    Re: Should I stop doing Bible study with a Protestant girl?
    « Reply #79 on: July 05, 2023, 01:03:23 PM »
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  • I think some men just don't deserve trad girl.


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    Re: Should I stop doing Bible study with a Protestant girl?
    « Reply #80 on: July 05, 2023, 01:04:11 PM »
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  • Judge from my own experience, I think some men just don't deserve trad girl. Weak men, degenerate men everywhere that pretend to be traditional.
    Then afterwards they go anonymous asking advices for their broken marriage that no one but the divine can fix because their wives want to do this and that which are against catholic teaching.

    Your post gives the impression that you think that some men do not deserve you as a potential wife because you are a good traditional girl while they are weak and degenerate while pretending to be traditional.

    Is my understanding correct?

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    Re: Should I stop doing Bible study with a Protestant girl?
    « Reply #81 on: July 05, 2023, 01:38:06 PM »
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  • Judge from my own experience, I think some men just don't deserve trad girl. Weak men, degenerate men everywhere that pretend to be traditional.
    Then afterwards they go anonymous asking advices for their broken marriage that no one but the divine can fix because their wives want to do this and that which are against catholic teaching.

    Sure, some trad men don't deserve a trad girl, and yet some trad girls don't deserve a trad man.  It's case by case.  I've personally known more women that end up wreaking havoc on marriages than I've known men to do so.  So it's not possible to generalize by gender.

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    Re: Should I stop doing Bible study with a Protestant girl?
    « Reply #82 on: July 05, 2023, 01:53:51 PM »
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  • Judge from my own experience, I think some men just don't deserve trad girl. Weak men, degenerate men everywhere that pretend to be traditional.
    Then afterwards they go anonymous asking advices for their broken marriage that no one but the divine can fix because their wives want to do this and that which are against catholic teaching.
    With all humility, I'll concede that there are a lot of weak, degenerate men. However, women aren't the prize in a relationship. Most women do not deserve a traditional man either.


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    Re: Should I stop doing Bible study with a Protestant girl?
    « Reply #83 on: July 05, 2023, 10:13:52 PM »
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  • I blame feminism and the havoc it's wreaked on both men and women.  Of course that's not the ONLY thing to blame but it's a big piece of the pie.  I've seen it both ways.  

    Men that just want to play video games all day, watch porn, watch some jewtainment, get fat, not work on  learning or improving themselves in any way, and go to bed, rinse and repeat and expect some great woman with 10/10 looks to just want him because he's "nice."

    Women that think they should be pampered and worshipped just for being somewhat attractive (or just being a woman in general) and expect constant attention and if they don't get it the way they FEEL they deserve, resort to cheating and/or playing mind games with the man to get him mad at her, etc. and then proceed to blame him for her lack of self control, betrayal, and indecency.  Their feminist friends in their ears giving them bad advice doesn't help either.  

    The whole male/female dynamic is a complete mess and although Trads are typically more decent overall these issues have trickled down to Traddom as well.  Men and women mostly just use each other for "adult situations" and don't even really like (or love) one another.  I've considered writing a book on this subject to hopefully help restore some sanity to both men and women and help each actually live up to what God intended, as both men and women have "lost the plot" on what the opposite sex wants and most importantly what God wants.

    So yes, as Laszlo pointed out, it's a case by case basis but I too have seen more women mess things up in this regard than men although the men that do mess up tend to mess it up worse.  This is just my experiences and what I've observed though.  


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    « Reply #84 on: July 05, 2023, 10:30:46 PM »
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  • I blame feminism and the havoc it's wreaked on both men and women.  Of course that's not the ONLY thing to blame but it's a big piece of the pie.  I've seen it both ways. 

    Men that just want to play video games all day, watch porn, watch some Jєωtainment, get fat, not work on  learning or improving themselves in any way, and go to bed, rinse and repeat and expect some great woman with 10/10 looks to just want him because he's "nice."

    Women that think they should be pampered and worshipped just for being somewhat attractive (or just being a woman in general) and expect constant attention and if they don't get it the way they FEEL they deserve, resort to cheating and/or playing mind games with the man to get him mad at her, etc. and then proceed to blame him for her lack of self control, betrayal, and indecency.  Their feminist friends in their ears giving them bad advice doesn't help either. 

    The whole male/female dynamic is a complete mess and although Trads are typically more decent overall these issues have trickled down to Traddom as well.  Men and women mostly just use each other for "adult situations" and don't even really like (or love) one another.  I've considered writing a book on this subject to hopefully help restore some sanity to both men and women and help each actually live up to what God intended, as both men and women have "lost the plot" on what the opposite sex wants and most importantly what God wants.

    So yes, as Laszlo pointed out, it's a case by case basis but I too have seen more women mess things up in this regard than men although the men that do mess up tend to mess it up worse.  This is just my experiences and what I've observed though. 
    I agree. And I don't know why people behaved like a melt just because I gave one out of so many possible reasons. It's like a pizza caused someone's sickness and I suggested maybe the meat on it wasn't fresh then people got angry at me not mentioning the dough might be the ingredient got bad.
    And for the last paragraph, is it possible that you know more women messing things up because you mostly heard it from men- since your friends are mostly men? 

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    Re: Should I stop doing Bible study with a Protestant girl?
    « Reply #85 on: July 05, 2023, 10:39:57 PM »
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  • I agree. And I don't know why people behaved like a melt just because I gave one out of so many possible reasons. It's like a pizza caused someone's sickness and I suggested maybe the meat on it wasn't fresh then people got angry at me not mentioning the dough might be the ingredient got bad.
    And for the last paragraph, is it possible that you know more women messing things up because you mostly heard it from men- since your friends are mostly men?
    This was me. Also I've seen "trad" men like EWPJ mentioned, yet not women like that. Trad women I am familiar with are either happily married now living a virtuous life, or single and introverted and they hardly even interact with men let alone "playing games".
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    « Reply #86 on: July 06, 2023, 01:24:03 AM »
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  • This was me. Also I've seen "trad" men like EWPJ mentioned, yet not women like that. Trad women I am familiar with are either happily married now living a virtuous life, or single and introverted and they hardly even interact with men let alone "playing games".
    I agree. And I don't know why people behaved like a melt just because I gave one out of so many possible reasons. It's like a pizza caused someone's sickness and I suggested maybe the meat on it wasn't fresh then people got angry at me not mentioning the dough might be the ingredient got bad.
    And for the last paragraph, is it possible that you know more women messing things up because you mostly heard it from men- since your friends are mostly men?

    I pretty much lumped men and women in general (both secular and trad) and the trads of both are better overall but some of those bad traits of (secular) men and women found their way into traddom (yes I know that's not a word) as well.  It doesn't help that trad men and women are bombarded and saturated with a pagan and godless culture and by default that poison will make its way into trad men and womens thinking and life to some degree.  Unfortunately, I don't really have a circle of trad friends so most of my sample size is from seculars but the trads I have talked to in passing here and there over the years have similar stories.

    There might be some bias on my part since I am a man and understand men better by default but I try VERY hard to see both sides and see things down the middle to try to get to the actual real story.  Since I am a man I will see things through the rationale, reason, and logic of a man so I as such won't completely understand the female side but I do understand women very well.

    I get men and women telling me about all their problems with their bf/gf, spouse, partner, etc. and whether it's a man or a woman telling the story I always immediately default to..."there's two sides to this story" and try not to just take the others word for it.  Long stories short usually the truth ends up being somewhere in the middle and one or the other or both will jump to the wrong conclusion on something that was said or done and that's usually where the problem(s) start and then it often times snowballs and cascades.  

    There's an old saying..."There's 3 sides to every story, his side, her side, and the truth." and there is a lot of truth to that.  All in all it has to do with the expectations the other has and men and women don't understand that the other processes the world differently than they do and one word or phrase can mean something completely different to a man and a woman.  It's actually pretty wild and if I do end up writing the book I'll cover that as well.  It should be required in the education system that men and women take a semester (or more) on understanding the other and learning how the opposite sex thinks and processes the world.  Just that alone would be proactive in fixing a lot of future problems.  


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    Re: Should I stop doing Bible study with a Protestant girl?
    « Reply #87 on: July 06, 2023, 08:01:34 AM »
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  • This was me. Also I've seen "trad" men like EWPJ mentioned, yet not women like that. Trad women I am familiar with are either happily married now living a virtuous life, or single and introverted and they hardly even interact with men let alone "playing games".

    I am the poster who gave good manly advice to the OP earlier.

    You live obviously a very sheltered existence.

    Plus your earlier post showed complete and total ignorance about the dreamy nature of young women.

    You and the men you influence are exactly what's wrong with traditional Catholics these days.

    It is happening to some extent in places not too affected by SSPX liberalism, but we will only restore society when we have strong men, and obedient humble women following them. Men who know how to be compassionate without losing principles, but mainly who are not afraid of the sophisms of deceitful trad women seeking to undermine the authority of men, and create some soft world.

    People, we are in a fight for our Catholic faith. We need to be brave. Our families are losing the faith, because men don't do what needs to be done within the domain they have actual control and influence over. Existing fathers have mostly lost all conception of the idea of producing a humble daughter to be a good wife, and instead worry too much about protecting her, and getting her to go to university etc. etc. They do nothing to link with single trad men who would be good candidates. (There are quite a few).

    So this is how are families are falling apart.  Worldliness. Which creates fear, which leads eventually to liberalism and apostasy.

    There's some promising trends coming out of Gen z these days like #tradwife and #passportbros. Most of these people attracted to these will be from imperfect family environments.
    But there is still a possibility for existing normal trad fathers to reverse the trend. The ignation retreats books talks about how women will back down with courage. Indeed we all know this is the case. They are weaker than us. They require compassion therefore, but also strong leadership.

    St. Francis de Sales warns men getting married to remember that you are her head. Clearly the bigger problem is that men tend to forget this. Not the reverse. Lets wake up to this fact, and support men who are trying to be strong, rather than tear them down.





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    Re: Should I stop doing Bible study with a Protestant girl?
    « Reply #88 on: July 06, 2023, 08:12:04 AM »
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  • "If it weren't for the fact that they can produce fertile offspring together, most data/facts/observations suggest that men and women are different species."

    Or something to that effect.

    Seriously, look it up. The differences between men and women go FAR beyond what's below the belt or how they go pee. Women being able to bear children, hormonal differences, and radically different brain configuration are the BEGINNING of the male/female differences. The entire body is different, from top to bottom. Digestive system, skin, hair, proportions, muscle structure, most common diseases/disorders, everything!
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    Re: Should I stop doing Bible study with a Protestant girl?
    « Reply #89 on: July 06, 2023, 08:26:40 AM »
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  • I am the poster who gave good manly advice to the OP earlier.

    You live obviously a very sheltered existence.

    Plus your earlier post showed complete and total ignorance about the dreamy nature of young women.

    You and the men you influence are exactly what's wrong with traditional Catholics these days.

    It is happening to some extent in places not too affected by SSPX liberalism, but we will only restore society when we have strong men, and obedient humble women following them. Men who know how to be compassionate without losing principles, but mainly who are not afraid of the sophisms of deceitful trad women seeking to undermine the authority of men, and create some soft world.

    People, we are in a fight for our Catholic faith. We need to be brave. Our families are losing the faith, because men don't do what needs to be done within the domain they have actual control and influence over. Existing fathers have mostly lost all conception of the idea of producing a humble daughter to be a good wife, and instead worry too much about protecting her, and getting her to go to university etc. etc. They do nothing to link with single trad men who would be good candidates. (There are quite a few).

    So this is how are families are falling apart.  Worldliness. Which creates fear, which leads eventually to liberalism and apostasy.

    There's some promising trends coming out of Gen z these days like #tradwife and #passportbros. Most of these people attracted to these will be from imperfect family environments.
    But there is still a possibility for existing normal trad fathers to reverse the trend. The ignation retreats books talks about how women will back down with courage. Indeed we all know this is the case. They are weaker than us. They require compassion therefore, but also strong leadership.

    St. Francis de Sales warns men getting married to remember that you are her head. Clearly the bigger problem is that men tend to forget this. Not the reverse. Lets wake up to this fact, and support men who are trying to be strong, rather than tear them down.
    You can say I live sheltered existence, or rather I chose my surrounding people wisely so that I don't face the dangers of compromising my faith with bad companions too much. Thus I made it clear, it was from MY experience, and MY background, that I saw men failing women way more often. I also explained why I could be biased in my post - I obviously befriended women more than men opposed to male posters. If this is wrong and I should somehow be more open-minded and less sheltered, I rather stay ignorant and not to bother myself to emphasise on sinful nature of whatever groups.
    I don't know which manly advice you were talking about. I suggested the OP it's a bad idea to do bible study without guidance and I also supported the idea of don't be friends with her (not based on her sex but she's in fact a schismatic and heretic). Was it a  manly or womanly advice? :smirk:
    I totally agree with what you're saying about importance of having strong men which was also why I brought up the issue with weak men in society now. It sounds like you had a problem with it somehow. Or do you think it's just not a woman's place to have any criticism on men whatsoever? 
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