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Should I force myself to get married with someone?
« on: April 18, 2023, 07:49:27 AM »
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  • I'm female in my mid 20s. It has been a while since I was deemed not having a religious vocation by discernment. And ever since then I feel lost. I started to search "in the market" because I felt that was what I was supposed to do- find someone and get married as soon as possible before the traditional men think I am too old to be a good wife material. And I started to talk with the only traditional man that had interest in me. But sometimes I ponder in my heart, I don't feel that much drawn to the ideal of getting married and having children. Sometimes I cry at night feeling sad that I was not able to join a religious order and serve Our Lord solely with all my life, and now I have to either work outside of home to support myself and living alone which has detrimental impact to my both mental, spiritual and physical health, or force myself to get married to someone and live a married life that I am not drawn to (yet?). 
    Actually I think if I have a choice, I may even like the idea of Josephite marriage (which I believe most people here are against), or even simply moving in with another like-minded single traditional catholic girl(s) near an active catholic community, support each other and live a life similar to religious life. But it seems totally impractical and impossible to find someone like that :facepalm:.




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    Re: Should I force myself to get married with someone?
    « Reply #1 on: April 18, 2023, 08:00:10 AM »
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    Will have Mass said for you.


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    Re: Should I force myself to get married with someone?
    « Reply #2 on: April 18, 2023, 08:13:51 AM »
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  • Actually I think if I have a choice, I may even like the idea of Josephite marriage (which I believe most people here are against)

    Why is it that so many women are asɛҳuąƖ these days? Completely uninterested in sex, repulsed by it even, in any context, even in the context of marriage? Is there something in the water that only women are drinking? Maybe they should share it with the men, as they don't seem to have this problem with normal sɛҳuąƖ attraction. Their bodies work as God designed. "Be fruitful and multiply". I'm not trying to be mean, and it's almost certainly not your fault, but there is technically something wrong with you. The only question is what. It could be estrogen in the water supply. It could be something related to why you turned down a religious vocation. How did you determine the religious life wasn't your vocation by the way?

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    Re: Should I force myself to get married with someone?
    « Reply #3 on: April 18, 2023, 08:16:45 AM »
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  • I used to have an idea to establish a single catholic women household, somewhat similar to a sorority, whoever moves in need to bind to rules, but it's not a religious order, so people don't need to take vows to become a consecrated virgin or so, while they may choose to do so. They can also move out when they find a partner for life, and become consultant for other girls that want to get married. I really think this will be great.

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    Re: Should I force myself to get married with someone?
    « Reply #4 on: April 18, 2023, 08:19:25 AM »
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  • I used to have an idea to establish a single catholic women household, somewhat similar to a sorority, whoever moves in need to bind to rules, but it's not a religious order, so people don't need to take vows to become a consecrated virgin or so, while they may choose to do so. They can also move out when they find a partner for life, and become consultant for other girls that want to get married. I really think this will be great.

    That's a really good idea. 


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    Re: Should I force myself to get married with someone?
    « Reply #5 on: April 18, 2023, 08:20:41 AM »
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  • Do you with your mom and dad now?

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    Re: Should I force myself to get married with someone?
    « Reply #6 on: April 18, 2023, 08:22:57 AM »
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  • Actually I think if I have a choice, I may even like the idea of Josephite marriage (which I believe most people here are against), or even simply moving in with another like-minded single traditional catholic girl(s) near an active catholic community, support each other and live a life similar to religious life. But it seems totally impractical and impossible to find someone like that :facepalm:.
    Do you hold the "Resistance" position, or at least supportive of Bishop Williamson, the SAJM and Dominicans of Avrielle? If so, then I suggest you go talk to either Bishop Zendejas (NY/CT) or Fr. Brocard (KS) depending on which one is closer to you and explain your situation and let them know you would like to meet "other likeminded single traditional Catholic girls."

    If you prefer SSPX, then go to any of the big parishes and talk to the pastor about your situation, concerns, etc.  

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    Re: Should I force myself to get married with someone?
    « Reply #7 on: April 18, 2023, 08:23:14 AM »
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  • Meanwhile lots of young men say they don't consider a vocation because they're attracted to females. SMH
    Could men be any more different from women?


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    Re: Should I force myself to get married with someone?
    « Reply #8 on: April 18, 2023, 08:26:50 AM »
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  • Why is it that so many women are asɛҳuąƖ these days? Completely uninterested in sex, repulsed by it even, in any context, even in the context of marriage? Is there something in the water that only women are drinking? Maybe they should share it with the men, as they don't seem to have this problem with normal sɛҳuąƖ attraction. Their bodies work as God designed. "Be fruitful and multiply". I'm not trying to be mean, and it's almost certainly not your fault, but there is technically something wrong with you. The only question is what. It could be estrogen in the water supply. It could be something related to why you turned down a religious vocation. How did you determine the religious life wasn't your vocation by the way?
    I don't think it has anything to do with being asɛҳuąƖ. Or even about sex. Many virgins in history rather die over a marriage, it doesn't mean they don't have normal functionality or attraction to men. 



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    To become a saint in the world, it is necessary for the married woman to adopt the means of sanctification, to frequent the sacraments, to make long and frequent mental prayer, to practise many interior and exterior mortifications, to love contempt, humiliations, and poverty; in a word, to make every effort in her power to please God. She must, then, be perfectly detached from the world, and all its goods, and perfectly free from the control and tyranny of human ties. But how can a married person find the time, the opportunities, and helps necessary for recollection, and continual application to the things of God ? She that is married thinketh on the things of the world, how to please her husband. The married woman must provide for her family, educate her children, please her husband, his parents, brothers, and relatives, who are sometimes to her a constant source of trouble. Hence the Apostle says, her heart must be divided, and her affections fixed partly on her husband, partly on her children, and partly on God. What time can she have for continual prayer, for frequent Communion, when, with all her efforts, she is not able to attend to the wants of the house? The husband must be attended; if his directions be neglected, or his commands be not immediately executed, he breaks out into complaints and reproaches. The servants disturb the house, at one time by their clamour or their quarrels, at another by their importunate demands. The children, if small, are a perpetual source of annoyance, either by their cries and screams, or by the endless variety of their wants; if grown up, they are an occasion of still greater inquietude, fears and bitterness, by associating with bad companions, by the dangers to which they are exposed, or the infirmities with which they are afflicted. How, in the midst of so many difficulties and embarrassments, is it possible for the married woman to attend to prayer, or to preserve recollection ? And, as to her Communions, they can scarcely be as frequent as once a week. She may indeed have strong desires of sanctification; but to pay great and constant attention to the affairs of her soul will be morally impossible. The very privation of the opportunities of attending to the things of God may be made a source of great merit by patient submission to the divine will, in the unhappy state in which she is placed. All this is indeed possible; but to practise patience and resignation, in the midst of so many troubles and distractions, without the aid of prayer, of spiritual reading, or of the sacraments, will be exceedingly difficult and almost impracticable. But would to God that seculars were exposed to no other evils than the obstacles to their devotions, to constant prayer, and the frequent use of the sacraments. Their greatest misfortune is to be in continual danger of losing the grace of God and their own immortal souls. They must appear like their equals, they must employ servants, and support their rank. They must go abroad to visit their friends, and in these visits they must converse with a variety of characters. At home they must hold constant intercourse with their own families, with their relatives, and with the friends of their husband. Oh ! how great on such occasions is the danger of losing God ! This is not understood by young persons, but it is well known to those who are settled in the world, and who are daily exposed to such dangers.
    Oh ! how unhappy and miserable is the life of the generality of married persons ! I have known the circuмstances, the feelings and dispositions, of numberless married persons, from the highest to the lowest classes of society, and how few of them were content ! The bad treatment of husbands, the disaffection of children, the wants of the family, the control of relatives, the pains of childbirth, which are always accompanied with danger of death, the scruples and anxiety of conscience regarding the flight of occasions, and the education of children, plunge poor seculars into endless troubles and agitation, and fill their souls with continual regret for not having been called to a happier and more holy state. God grant that, in the midst of such troubles and agitation, many of them may not lose their immortal souls, and that, along with passing through a hell in this life, they may not be condemned to an eternity of torments in the next. Such is the unhappy condition of many of those who have engaged in the married state. 
    - from St Alphonsus Liguori: The true Spouse of Jesus Christ


    The above text is not for everyone obviously but he has good points.

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    Re: Should I force myself to get married with someone?
    « Reply #9 on: April 18, 2023, 08:29:25 AM »
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  • I used to have an idea to establish a single catholic women household, somewhat similar to a sorority, whoever moves in need to bind to rules, but it's not a religious order, so people don't need to take vows to become a consecrated virgin or so, while they may choose to do so. They can also move out when they find a partner for life, and become consultant for other girls that want to get married. I really think this will be great.
    Yes, that is a good idea, I suggest you start it. 

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    Re: Should I force myself to get married with someone?
    « Reply #10 on: April 18, 2023, 08:31:39 AM »
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  • Why is it that so many women are asɛҳuąƖ these days? Completely uninterested in sex, repulsed by it even, in any context, even in the context of marriage? Is there something in the water that only women are drinking? Maybe they should share it with the men, as they don't seem to have this problem with normal sɛҳuąƖ attraction. Their bodies work as God designed. "Be fruitful and multiply". I'm not trying to be mean, and it's almost certainly not your fault, but there is technically something wrong with you. The only question is what. It could be estrogen in the water supply. It could be something related to why you turned down a religious vocation. How did you determine the religious life wasn't your vocation by the way?
    I wonder if this is a thing with women who are not attractive or don’t feel/think they are attractive. They tend to feel “conscious” about themselves and hence not interested in intimacy with someone else? 

    Do truly beautiful women also feel the same way? They are the ones who are always posing and showing off in society nowadays, after all. 


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    Re: Should I force myself to get married with someone?
    « Reply #11 on: April 18, 2023, 08:38:38 AM »
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  • I'm female in my mid 20s. It has been a while since I was deemed not having a religious vocation by discernment. And ever since then I feel lost. I started to search "in the market" because I felt that was what I was supposed to do- find someone and get married as soon as possible before the traditional men think I am too old to be a good wife material. And I started to talk with the only traditional man that had interest in me. But sometimes I ponder in my heart, I don't feel that much drawn to the ideal of getting married and having children. Sometimes I cry at night feeling sad that I was not able to join a religious order and serve Our Lord solely with all my life, and now I have to either work outside of home to support myself and living alone which has detrimental impact to my both mental, spiritual and physical health, or force myself to get married to someone and live a married life that I am not drawn to (yet?).
    Actually I think if I have a choice, I may even like the idea of Josephite marriage (which I believe most people here are against), or even simply moving in with another like-minded single traditional catholic girl(s) near an active catholic community, support each other and live a life similar to religious life. But it seems totally impractical and impossible to find someone like that :facepalm:.

    Are you quite sure that you do not have a vocation? Just in case you are interested, there is a traditional Carmelite group in Ireland, who are sort of associated with the Resistance:

    Carmelites of the Holy Face of Jesus - O.Carm (carmelitesholyface.com)


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    Re: Should I force myself to get married with someone?
    « Reply #12 on: April 18, 2023, 08:42:24 AM »
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  • I wonder if this is a thing with women who are not attractive or don’t feel/think they are attractive. They tend to feel “conscious” about themselves and hence not interested in intimacy with someone else?

    Do truly beautiful women also feel the same way? They are the ones who are always posing and showing off in society nowadays, after all.

    No, I don't think the OP is ugly. Do I detect sour grapes? No, it's more likely that some kind of environmental contamination such as birth control in the water has caused some women to essentially be on birth control without taking any pills themselves. Think of all the women on birth control flushing the toilet every day. Then many young women drink the city water and they take in the birth control chemicals. Their body thinks they're pregnant, which affects their natural desire, who they are attracted to, among other things.

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    Re: Should I force myself to get married with someone?
    « Reply #13 on: April 18, 2023, 08:45:07 AM »
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  • I wonder if this is a thing with women who are not attractive or don’t feel/think they are attractive. They tend to feel “conscious” about themselves and hence not interested in intimacy with someone else?

    Do truly beautiful women also feel the same way? They are the ones who are always posing and showing off in society nowadays, after all.

    Why is it that so many women are asɛҳuąƖ these days? Completely uninterested in sex, repulsed by it even, in any context, even in the context of marriage? Is there something in the water that only women are drinking? Maybe they should share it with the men, as they don't seem to have this problem with normal sɛҳuąƖ attraction. Their bodies work as God designed. "Be fruitful and multiply". I'm not trying to be mean, and it's almost certainly not your fault, but there is technically something wrong with you. The only question is what. It could be estrogen in the water supply. It could be something related to why you turned down a religious vocation. How did you determine the religious life wasn't your vocation by the way?
    Have you thought about maybe it's because of men being too unattractive themselves nowadays? Complete loss of masculinity and chivalry, speech with no manner and decency, and blame their vices on women. Just think about how appalling and it would be to say such things in front of ladies just 50 years ago. 

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    Re: Should I force myself to get married with someone?
    « Reply #14 on: April 18, 2023, 10:24:07 AM »
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  • Just seek the will of God in all things. Find a way to serve the church: through prayer, suffering for others, and good works. Seek perfection, grow in virtue, don't sin. Imitate the saints in regular daily life matters. We are all members of one body, and some of those members are very small, but still serve a purpose. Just try to do your part well, no matter how small. Imagine all the married couples who are too busy to pray much, or too distracted or tired to pray well. You could be supplementing their prayers. Maybe even find a family to move in with to be their servant. It's not easy for the wife to care for 5+ children when the husband is away working, or too tired after work. It's not easy for the husband to care for the garden when he is away at work. If they just had even a little help: a nanny to entertain the children or tend to them during the night, so the parents can occasionally get more than 2 hours of sleep. Or, if someone could watch the garden for particularly destructive pests, or just keep it watered during times of drought.