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Re: safe to attend novus ordo confirmation party?
« Reply #30 on: May 18, 2023, 11:32:39 AM »
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    • I keep it simple.  The following is my directive to my family:  I do not do Novus Ordo weddings and funerals, so do not ask me.  Usually once you tell them this, they will get a clue and not invite you to Holy Communion and Confirmation parties, unless they are mentally vacuous.  I do not do "celebrations of life," because if you are in hell, there is nothing to celebrate.  I tell my pigeons who try to get sober, "If you die of alcoholism or a drug overdose, I am not coming to your funeral, and make sure you tell your parents and all your relatives what I said."  This will usually make them try harder, at least for a time.   

    I remember a lady once asked Fr. Wathen if he would stop by the funeral home and say a few words about her husband.  What a mistake that was.  Fr Wathen showed up and said, "Well, ...(insert name) would have had the greatest difficulty making it to heaven."  
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    « Reply #31 on: May 18, 2023, 12:49:45 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on May 18, 2023, 10:25:17 AM
    I can't believe what I just read. You do realize this is OPs small niece? She could use both and rosary and a traditional Bible even if she is currently being raised by her parents as NO.
    Being raised as a NO, she wouldn't. 

    The whole point of separating one's self from even close family members (let alone those more distant), is two fold. First, to keep yourself from falling into error and to show Our Lord exactly where you stand (with Him). Next, your absence is with purpose because it sends the message that if they really want to you there then they have to go your way, they are wrong and no other option exists for them if they want to save their souls. 
     
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    Re: safe to attend novus ordo confirmation party?
    « Reply #32 on: May 18, 2023, 01:10:07 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on May 18, 2023, 12:49:45 PM
    Being raised as a NO, she wouldn't. 

    The whole point of separating one's self from even close family members (let alone those more distant), is two fold. First, to keep yourself from falling into error and to show Our Lord exactly where you stand (with Him). Next, your absence is with purpose because it sends the message that if they really want to you there then they have to go your way, they are wrong and no other option exists for them if they want to save their souls.
     
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    This seems like terrible advice, and I can't imagine it's done anything but needlessly drive people away. I am sure there are times when a severance (even from close family) is the best way of managing the problems we're discussing, but as a general rule or first resort it is plainly rash. We are called to be candles on top of hills; we are called to instruct the ignorant and comfort the afflicted, to let our charity shine forth before all men, etc.. The way you put it-- "they have to go your way... if they want to save their souls"-- shows that you have the wrong priorities when making these decisions. The blind leading the blind into a pit.
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    Re: safe to attend novus ordo confirmation party?
    « Reply #33 on: May 18, 2023, 01:14:10 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on May 18, 2023, 12:49:45 PM
    Being raised as a NO, she wouldn't. 

    The whole point of separating one's self from even close family members (let alone those more distant), is two fold. First, to keep yourself from falling into error and to show Our Lord exactly where you stand (with Him). Next, your absence is with purpose because it sends the message that if they really want to you there then they have to go your way, they are wrong and no other option exists for them if they want to save their souls.
     
    Dimond much?
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    « Reply #34 on: May 18, 2023, 01:45:49 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mithrandylan on May 18, 2023, 01:10:07 PM
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    This seems like terrible advice, and I can't imagine it's done anything but needlessly drive people away. I am sure there are times when a severance (even from close family) is the best way of managing the problems we're discussing, but as a general rule or first resort it is plainly rash. We are called to be candles on top of hills; we are called to instruct the ignorant and comfort the afflicted, to let our charity shine forth before all men, etc.. The way you put it-- "they have to go your way... if they want to save their souls"-- shows that you have the wrong priorities when making these decisions. The blind leading the blind into a pit.
    It seems like terrible advice for libs I agree. But if one is going to live the faith in this crisis, then one must live their convictions in spite of worldly, NO misconceptions of being rash - and this is most especially important when it comes to hoping to convert family. 

    The expectation is for the candle on top of the hill to go out when it walks into a NO celebration, get snuffed right out, after all there is a danger there, which is why it is a bad idea to keep company with NOers, let alone attend NO celebrations.  If that's rash then so be it, but it's what is best for all involved.
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    « Reply #35 on: May 18, 2023, 01:46:12 PM »
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    Re: safe to attend novus ordo confirmation party?
    « Reply #36 on: May 18, 2023, 02:09:46 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on May 18, 2023, 01:45:49 PM
    It seems like terrible advice for libs I agree. But if one is going to live the faith in this crisis, then one must live their convictions in spite of worldly, NO misconceptions of being rash - and this is most especially important when it comes to hoping to convert family. 

    The expectation is for the candle on top of the hill to go out when it walks into a NO celebration, get snuffed right out, after all there is a danger there, which is why it is a bad idea to keep company with NOers, let alone attend NO celebrations.  If that's rash then so be it, but it's what is best for all involved.
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    You sound insecure, and I think you are projecting your insecurities. If you are at risk of losing your faith due to whatever temptations the Novus Ordo gives you, then you do well to avoid attending such events even when they could be justified. But you do equally well to not assume that everyone shares these insecurities. Plenty of trads can attend a Novus Ordo wedding, or a funeral, or go to a reception, or whatever, without even a remote risk of feeling an irresistible urge to go kiss an icon of JPII or spontaneously announce that the death penalty is inadmissible and that the Church needs to reform her teaching on sɛҳuąƖ morality.
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    Re: safe to attend novus ordo confirmation party?
    « Reply #37 on: May 18, 2023, 02:55:52 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mithrandylan on May 18, 2023, 02:09:46 PM
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    You sound insecure, and I think you are projecting your insecurities. If you are at risk of losing your faith due to whatever temptations the Novus Ordo gives you, then you do well to avoid attending such events even when they could be justified. But you do equally well to not assume that everyone shares these insecurities. Plenty of trads can attend a Novus Ordo wedding, or a funeral, or go to a reception, or whatever, without even a remote risk of feeling an irresistible urge to go kiss an icon of JPII or spontaneously announce that the death penalty is inadmissible and that the Church needs to reform her teaching on sɛҳuąƖ morality.
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    You sound invincible and I think you are projecting your invincibility. If you are at no risk whatsoever of losing your faith due to whatever temptations the Novus Ordo gives others, then you do well to go right ahead and consider yourself justified to join in the NO celebration. But you do equally well to not assume that everyone shares your invincibility. Plenty of trads who attend a Novus Ordo wedding, or a funeral, or go to a reception, or whatever, without even a remote risk of feeling they've compromised in any way, have ended up either loosing their faith or discovered that  the Novus Ordo is really not so bad, at least not so bad that it should keep them from attending it's celebrations for convenience sake when the occasion arises.

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    Re: safe to attend novus ordo confirmation party?
    « Reply #38 on: May 18, 2023, 03:29:18 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on May 18, 2023, 01:46:12 PM
    Liberal much?
    No, just on special occasions.
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    Re: safe to attend novus ordo confirmation party?
    « Reply #39 on: May 18, 2023, 03:48:42 PM »
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    • One way to handle this would be to write them a gracious letter explaining the quandary you are in and why.

    Something that tells them how much you love your niece and what qualities you appreciate about her and how much you love them and know how hard they have worked raising her.

    Then saying that while it appears we share a lot of similar beliefs, because the church after VII now teaches that all religions lead to Heaven and Allah is the same god as Jesus' Father you simply can't take part in it.

    Something like:

    "It grieves me to say this because I care about you guys and would love to spend time with you and everyone (and especially eat cake!)

    but my conscience simply won't allow me to celebrate that belief.

    Allah is not Jesus' Father and I will have to stand before Him one day and explain why I celebrated that denial of Him.

    I have to follow the First Commandment."

    You could send a rosary to your niece and without mentioning the confirmation tell her how much Mary loves her and how she should always turn to Mary for help in life...

    That kind of thing. 





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    Re: safe to attend novus ordo confirmation party?
    « Reply #40 on: May 18, 2023, 07:18:13 PM »
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    • Just an update, I haven't made a decision yet but I have received an invitation to the ceremony.
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    Re: safe to attend novus ordo confirmation party?
    « Reply #41 on: May 18, 2023, 08:20:47 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on May 18, 2023, 07:18:13 PM
    Just an update, I haven't made a decision yet but I have received an invitation to the ceremony.

    Although it’s not a sin to attend (as long as you don’t participate), I wouldn’t go. I would just go to the party afterwards.
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    Re: safe to attend novus ordo confirmation party?
    « Reply #42 on: May 18, 2023, 08:46:21 PM »
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    • I think the OP should speak with his/her priest.  Since this is not just a wedding but a non Catholic religious ceremony and party to celebrate same, he would be better suited to advise.

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    Re: safe to attend novus ordo confirmation party?
    « Reply #43 on: May 18, 2023, 10:16:06 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on May 18, 2023, 08:46:21 PM
    I think the OP should speak with his/her priest.  Since this is not just a wedding but a non Catholic religious ceremony and party to celebrate same, he would be better suited to advise.
    This should always be the top advice. When in doubt, ask your confessor or another priest that you trust. They are better equipped to morally guide you through challenging situations than random laymen online.
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    « Reply #44 on: May 21, 2023, 08:08:34 PM »
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    • Quote from: Sneedevacantist on May 18, 2023, 10:16:06 PM
    This should always be the top advice. When in doubt, ask your confessor or another priest that you trust. They are better equipped to morally guide you through challenging situations than random laymen online.
    Most sspx priests will tell you it's fine to go since they believe the new rites of ordination is valid. So depending on which priest you ask you will get different answers.
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