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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
« Reply #510 on: November 26, 2017, 01:46:07 PM »
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  • Personally, I would have him dragged by his hair from behind his computer to the square in his town. And have it administered there.

    :laugh1:  I would have beaten you into a bloody pulp the second you laid a finger on me, punk.  In fact, I half suspect that your wife physically pushes you around and that you're just living out some fantasy with these posts.  Most likely that's why you won't reveal yourself ... because you'll be laughed to scorn after people who know you attest to the fact that your wife wears the pants in your household.

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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #511 on: November 26, 2017, 01:49:15 PM »
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  • Personally, I would have him dragged by his hair from behind his computer to the square in his town. And have it administered there.

    So, Jaynek, do you still think that this guy isn't a wife beater?  I figured him out about two posts in.


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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #512 on: November 26, 2017, 04:16:09 PM »
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  • CLEARLY, I was talking about the administration of corporal discipline by the local authorities.

    I didn't say I would do it, but WOULD HAVE IT DONE. If I were a local magistrate, that is what I would prescribe.

    This is what you deserve for your obstinacy.

    So would you fine me or have me flogged if I failed to beat my wife?

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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #513 on: November 26, 2017, 06:41:56 PM »
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  • Marriage today is a secular contract.
    The Church priests should not ever ask for nor condone a marriage license, which is a secular instrument used to enforce and usurp an Mans right to his property, including his wife.
    There are little benefits to marriage today for any man.  I believe in a Church sacrament but no license, or common law with witnesses and a priest presiding.
    No Fault divorce states mean you work and if she tires of you or finds another, yes it happens to Trads too, she takes hald + Your monthly income, whatever Judge Goldstein thinks is fair that day, + Child Support.   Lose/Lose.

    Be Smart, men.
    When did you stop beating your wife? 😂

    Offline reconquest

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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #514 on: November 27, 2017, 05:20:18 AM »
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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #515 on: November 27, 2017, 08:43:38 AM »
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  • So, Jaynek, do you still think that this guy isn't a wife beater?  I figured him out about two posts in.
    If I had to guess, I would say that he is not married.  He seems to be thinking about the ideal in the absence of practical experience.  I would expect a married man's views to be tempered by his tenderness for his wife.

    Figuring out the authority-submission relationship is difficult enough, even without considering if corporal punishment is appropriate.  Before I fell in love with the man who became my husband, I thought the fundamental idea of a husband having authority over his wife was strange and disturbing.  I think that marriage is hard to understand in the abstract.

    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #516 on: November 27, 2017, 08:58:56 AM »
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  • If I had to guess, I would say that he is not married.  He seems to be thinking about the ideal in the absence of practical experience.  I would expect a married man's views to be tempered by his tenderness for his wife.

    Perhaps.  Unfortunately, I've also known a lot of men who have very little tenderness for their wives.

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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #517 on: November 27, 2017, 10:30:41 PM »
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  • Alot of white knights defending feminism, knowingly or unknowingly.

    The phrase- General rule of Thumb.
    Where have we heard it?
    It comes from Old English & Scottish Law where a husband was permitted to use a stick No thicker than his thumb to administer corporal punishment to a wife that was in need of said punishment.
    By refusing to take such measures and allowing women to vote, we are literally witnessing the death of the West.
    Women in their entire lives, have never built anything. NOTHING>
    White Men, mostly of Germanic origin, have built and created Western Civilization.  And now our women run nations like Sweden, wearing Hijabs and inviting Muslims in to destroy it.
    If you dont think any of this is a problem and recipe for disaster, you havent thought things through very much.
    Gee man, I don't know, I seem to recall a woman by the name Isabella who put together the Spanish Empire,  drove out the Moors and Jews, and had tried to reform the corrupt Catholic Clergy...  ::)
        St. Bridget of Sweden built a religious order and so did other females.
        There are also women out there who have put together beautiful families; The Blessed Virgin Mary gave birth to the Church, etc.
    Please, don't say women have never built anything, that's just stupid! Sure, most women should not be in the positions they are and many kinds of decisions should not be put in their hands, but there are always exceptions to the rules. The world would not turn without them.
    Many people say "For the Honor and Glory of God!" but, what they should say is "For the Love, Glory and Honor of God". - Fr. Paul of Moll


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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #518 on: November 28, 2017, 09:30:09 AM »
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  • Diversion from the issue at hand....

    The Church's teaching is universal.

    Don't criticise those who defend it.

    Church's "teaching" is silent on this particular matter.  And I will continue to criticize you for this and many of your other opinions.

    Offline Jaynek

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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #519 on: November 28, 2017, 09:40:15 AM »
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  • Church's "teaching" is silent on this particular matter.  
    This is our point of disagreement.  I find it misleading to say that the Church's teaching is silent when a matter appears in morality manuals and canon law.  If you mean to say that there is no magisterial teaching, then it is necessary to say that explicitly to make matters clear.
    It is a matter of historical record that a husband's right to use corporal punishment was taught by Catholic authorities, believed by the majority of Catholics and practiced, all until relatively recently.  One could concede these things and still make good arguments as to why the practice is not appropriate in our time.
    Denying the facts of history, or even sounding like one is denying the facts of history, cannot move the discussion forward.

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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #520 on: November 28, 2017, 12:01:51 PM »
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  • This is our point of disagreement.  I find it misleading to say that the Church's teaching is silent when a matter appears in morality manuals and canon law.  If you mean to say that there is no magisterial teaching, then it is necessary to say that explicitly to make matters clear.
    It is a matter of historical record that a husband's right to use corporal punishment was taught by Catholic authorities, believed by the majority of Catholics and practiced, all until relatively recently.  One could concede these things and still make good arguments as to why the practice is not appropriate in our time.
    Denying the facts of history, or even sounding like one is denying the facts of history, cannot move the discussion forward.

    Its appearance in some moral theology manuals and its having been practiced by some, i.e. "facts of history", do not make it Church teaching.  Do you have a poll that this was believed by a "majority of Catholics"?


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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #521 on: November 28, 2017, 12:05:18 PM »
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  • This is our point of disagreement.  I find it misleading to say that the Church's teaching is silent when a matter appears in morality manuals and canon law.  If you mean to say that there is no magisterial teaching, then it is necessary to say that explicitly to make matters clear.
    It is a matter of historical record that a husband's right to use corporal punishment was taught by Catholic authorities, believed by the majority of Catholics and practiced, all until relatively recently.  One could concede these things and still make good arguments as to why the practice is not appropriate in our time.
    Denying the facts of history, or even sounding like one is denying the facts of history, cannot move the discussion forward.

    So you agreed that it is not prudent and is harmful to the faith to promote this as Church teaching ... and yet you continue to promote it as Church teaching?  You're doing the same thing that the Flat Earthers do ... vis-a-vis St. Augustine's criticism.

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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #522 on: November 28, 2017, 12:44:49 PM »
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  • So you agreed that it is not prudent and is harmful to the faith to promote this as Church teaching ... and yet you continue to promote it as Church teaching?  You're doing the same thing that the Flat Earthers do ... vis-a-vis St. Augustine's criticism.
    I am not "promoting" it.  I am acknowledging the historical facts.  I can't lie about what happened.  I have no doubts that this was taught (at a non-magisterial level) believed and practiced.  I cannot say anything else or even be silent when others make false claims.  I can't pretend it didn't happen, just because I'm concerned it will make the Church look bad.

    I think that any potential harm to the faith can be mitigated by explaining the historical context and by saying it does not apply today.  I am not trying to convince anyone to actually use corporal punishment on his wife.

    This is quite different from the Flat Earthers.  They are claiming that the Church taught FE, but, unlike me, they are making a false claim.  And it is easily shown to be false.  I do not go out of my way to discuss this topic.  I only respond when the subject is raised by others.  They, on the other hand, make countless posts, blogs, and videos to promote their views.

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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #523 on: November 28, 2017, 12:58:44 PM »
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  • I think that any potential harm to the faith can be mitigated by explaining the historical context and by saying it does not apply today.  I am not trying to convince anyone to actually use corporal punishment on his wife.

    Well, except that you're saying that this is Church teaching.  As such it's simply not true that "it does not apply today" because Church teaching doesn't expire.

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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #524 on: November 28, 2017, 01:46:26 PM »
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  • Well, except that you're saying that this is Church teaching.  As such it's simply not true that "it does not apply today" because Church teaching doesn't expire.
    Defined doctrines about faith and morals do not expire.  But other matters may be contingent or changeable.  For example, at different times, the Church has taught different things about the age to begin receiving Holy Communion.  That can change even though the doctrines about the Eucharist do not expire.

    Similarly, the defined doctrines concerning marriage will not expire, but specific practices, like the age at which one may marry, can change.  That the husband is in authority over his wife is a teaching that will not expire , but specific ways in which the husband exercises his authority can change.