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Offline DZ PLEASE

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Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
« Reply #435 on: November 06, 2017, 08:17:45 AM »
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  • What's the point of telling someone who's "Sick in the head. Mentally deranged" if they actually are?

    You're already admitting that they don't interact with reality as normal people do, so why address them as if they are normal people?

    How smart is it to poke a nutter with a stick?

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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #436 on: November 06, 2017, 11:00:41 AM »
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  • I've said it in the men's forum and I'll say it again here:

    Amongst us Hispanics in the South, especially the old-fashioned ones, you are not a man if you raise a hand to ANY female. If you did the men would beat the crap out of you. If a female needs a physical punishment then it is administered by another woman on behalf of the man, e.g. the mother spanks the daughter etc. But never administered by the man himself. I've got relatives who would beat you for raising a hand to a woman, and I used to work with such a fellow as well. I should also mention my coworker was a young guy, too. That is our culture here.

    Also, some here think it is within the natural order to beat their wives. I would argue that it is not so for the same reasons as Ladislaus, but also because I raise actual livestock. I've seen roosters who are very capable of fighting stand still and take a pecking from hens without pecking or spurring back. Admittedly, a rooster might lightly peck a hen if she's too close or some such, but this also depends on the individual and not too many do it. I think if you hit your wife you are less then a beast of the Earth if not on par at the least. Where is your dignity? It should be beneath you to act as beast.

    To those who state it is Church teaching: I'm still waiting for someone to provide a source...


    Anyways, If you hit your woman you know what we think of you where I'm from down here in TX.
    Many people say "For the Honor and Glory of God!" but, what they should say is "For the Love, Glory and Honor of God". - Fr. Paul of Moll


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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #437 on: November 06, 2017, 04:49:10 PM »
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  • You people are traitors to our Lord and will pay the price.

    That's just creepy. 

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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #438 on: November 06, 2017, 04:50:33 PM »
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  • That's just creepy.
    Everyone who is, will.

    Hell, ain't it?

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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #439 on: November 06, 2017, 05:28:07 PM »
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  • This is nonsense, and goes to show how liberalized Catholic peoples have become. Hispanics, just like the other catholic ethnicities have drunk the Masonic cool-aid right down.

    I appreciate that the threads are long, but you should catch up. We have already provided one moral theology book. There are many more. You can end this scruple for yourself by asking your priest if it is in there. Don't ask him for his interpretation, but just if it is in there.

    And regardless of where a husband is, if he has to discipline his wife he would do it discreetly.

    Snitches are everywhere. As this forum shows quite abundantly.

    You people are traitors to our Lord and will pay the price.
    I believe you are mistaken about our "Masonic infection" because this is the way it's been for many generations. I don't know, maybe they call that custom or even tradition???

    Catch up? I wasted a lot of time reading all 37 pages to be told to "catch up"? Wow... that means there's nothing to this thread 'til now, most likely...

    "We have already provided one moral theology book", The name of which was never given even once. Sure, I'll ask my nearest cleric if opportunity permits, but don't hold your breath cause I doubt it will be immediately cited on the spot.

    ... I still say you are a wimp. If you are going to call me a turncoat you should have the decency to say it with your user-name visible. Maybe you are anonymous for fear of no lady wanting anything to do with the likes of such, or worse, henpecked?
     So there, back atcha! But pointless, banter.
    Many people say "For the Honor and Glory of God!" but, what they should say is "For the Love, Glory and Honor of God". - Fr. Paul of Moll


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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #440 on: November 06, 2017, 05:31:09 PM »
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  • Maybe cool it a bit?

    Also, please realize that when it comes to questions as to what is or isn't applicable to the entire Church, it doesn't hinge on, for example, what Mexico "thinks", or if they've a thing for grips and silly hats.

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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #441 on: November 06, 2017, 05:43:35 PM »
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  • "We have already provided one moral theology book", The name of which was never given even once.  
    I gave a name and a link to it. I posted it Wed Oct 25 2017 19:11:04 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)

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    I was able to find an old moral theology manual online:here 
    It is called A Synopsis of the Moral Theology of Peter Dens written in 1838.

    It has a section on "Is it lawful for a husband to whip his wife?"  It says, in part,
    "As for moderate whipping it may be permitted, if the wife is much in fault, and there is no hope that she may be corrected in any other way; but this case is very rare."

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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #442 on: November 06, 2017, 06:06:27 PM »
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  • "Husbands should Love there wives as Christ Loves the Church"


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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #443 on: November 07, 2017, 03:04:33 PM »
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  • A man is lower in nature than his mother.

    Equal to other men, but superior to his wife.

    That's actually patently false.  Man's nature is higher than that of his mother (cf. St. Thomas).  But, then, you really have no idea what you're talking about, theologically speaking.

    Again, the point is, before this you stated that corporal punishment is allowed because of love, in order to prevent sin.  But you forgot to mention anything else.  Based on that, it would be permissible to strike one's mother.

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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #444 on: November 15, 2017, 06:27:54 AM »
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  • That's actually patently false.  Man's nature is higher than that of his mother (cf. St. Thomas).  But, then, you really have no idea what you're talking about, theologically speaking.

    Again, the point is, before this you stated that corporal punishment is allowed because of love, in order to prevent sin.  But you forgot to mention anything else.  Based on that, it would be permissible to strike one's mother.

    There is a hierarchy in society. It is based on the natural law. A mother from this perspective is above her son. Even if her nature itself is not.

    It is not just about love. It is about justice.

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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #445 on: November 15, 2017, 06:29:49 AM »
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  • I believe you are mistaken about our "Masonic infection" because this is the way it's been for many generations. I don't know, maybe they call that custom or even tradition???

    Catch up? I wasted a lot of time reading all 37 pages to be told to "catch up"? Wow... that means there's nothing to this thread 'til now, most likely...

    "We have already provided one moral theology book", The name of which was never given even once. Sure, I'll ask my nearest cleric if opportunity permits, but don't hold your breath cause I doubt it will be immediately cited on the spot.

    ... I still say you are a wimp. If you are going to call me a turncoat you should have the decency to say it with your user-name visible. Maybe you are anonymous for fear of no lady wanting anything to do with the likes of such, or worse, henpecked?
     So there, back atcha! But pointless, banter.


    Catholics only started disputing this teaching of the Church after the arrival of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ. End of story.


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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #446 on: November 15, 2017, 06:30:49 AM »
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  • "Husbands should Love there wives as Christ Loves the Church"

    "My Son can barely hold back His hand" - Our Lady of La Salette.

    Does Our Lord love his Church?

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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #447 on: November 15, 2017, 06:31:38 AM »
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  • I bet the pusillanimous types recommending bending the wife over a knee get their jollies from it.

    Honestly, to think of the implementation of justice in a sɛҳuąƖ sense is totally perverse.

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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #448 on: November 15, 2017, 08:06:28 AM »
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  • Catholics only started disputing this teaching of the Church after the arrival of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ. End of story.

    There's no "teaching of the Church" on this matter.

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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #449 on: November 15, 2017, 08:08:20 AM »
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  • I never said it wasn't a sin to be disrespectful of a wife.

    When I wrote precisely that, that it's a sin to be disrespectful to your wife, you responded by calling me a "pervert".  That was the only comment I had made in that particular post.