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Morality of video games and temptations
« on: April 06, 2024, 02:50:46 AM »
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  • I am currently under heavy temptations and would like to discuss this topic.

    When I think about it, it is quite odd that it is so normal to 'kill' others in video games. Sure it's not really murdering someone one but it just seem a little odd, even in movies it's become so normalised. Now there is a certain difference between games where death is depicted very gory, verus not so. Obviously games that have sɛҳuąƖ relation content or simple inappropriate dressed characters should be avoided due to the occasion of sin. But is it wrong to play games if they have some depiction of killing?

    As for my temptations;

    Over a year ago I made the decision to stop playing video games in-order to be closer to God, recently I have been tempted to play games again and the temptation has been very strong. I mainly used to play a game called 'Destiny', a first-person shooter set in a mythic science fiction world, which starts with your player character is being revived from the dead by a 'Ghost' ("a small, sapient machine created by the 'Traveler'" ("an ancient and immensely powerful machine entity") using the power of 'light' ("also known as the Sky,[1] is a paracausal force (effectively 'magic', it is a video games)[2] that is associated with the Traveler. It is the direct and opposing counterpart of the Darkness).

    At the time I was still a recent convert to Traditional Catholicism and took quite an extreme route following some of the material from MHFM and others related to their group, I am also scrupulous (not a much as I used to be). When I thought about the narrative concerning the game I was worried that it might be idolatrous/blasphemous to play so I quit. 
    The in-game story has always been garbage from day 1 so it wasn't why I played the game, the main reasons I enjoyed the game was because I enjoyed the game-play mechanics, the RPG elements, and was decent at the game and it was basically my only hobby i.e for fun.

    I have been recently tempted to go back to playing the game as an hobby. I know most users of CathInfo have much more experience in life and Catholicism than me so I will appreciate the responses and advice you have to offer. Thanks.


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    Re: Morality of video games and temptations
    « Reply #1 on: April 06, 2024, 05:39:09 AM »
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  • My take is, *in real life* we should not take pleasure in watching another person/people/animal being hurt, tortured, or be the subject of some kind of violence like being shot/blown up, or hurt/killed by falling off a building, down stairs or some other accident that causes them major hurt or death. God did not make us to take pleasure in another person's tragedy, to do so is perverted. Are we not supposed to be above the Romans who enjoyed watching people getting ripped apart by lions for their pleasure?

    The problems with gaming is that after firmly gripping it's players, *the idea* becomes acceptable for many - perhaps not for all, but all are affected to at least some degree, which in turn leads to accepting or being inclined (tempted) to accept other ideas, which are immoral.

    Give up the video games. 
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

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    Re: Morality of video games and temptations
    « Reply #2 on: April 06, 2024, 05:50:21 AM »
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  • Why don’t you start a hobby or activity which would be good for your physical health and for your soul? You do say that your present activity has been garbage since day 1.

    Go bike riding, hiking, walking, reading good books (not garbage), Woodworking, writing, learn a useful skill, take a course in public speaking, learn a new language. The choices are limitless.

    Remember God gave you limited time here on this earth. Use it for your own betterment and the benefit of your fellow man. You will be judged on how you used the time He gifted you.

    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    Re: Morality of video games and temptations
    « Reply #3 on: April 06, 2024, 07:07:13 AM »
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  • My take is, *in real life* we should not take pleasure in watching another person/people/animal being hurt, tortured, or be the subject of some kind of violence like being shot/blown up, or hurt/killed by falling off a building, down stairs or some other accident that causes them major hurt or death. God did not make us to take pleasure in another person's tragedy, to do so is perverted. Are we not supposed to be above the Romans who enjoyed watching people getting ripped apart by lions for their pleasure?

    The problems with gaming is that after firmly gripping it's players, *the idea* becomes acceptable for many - perhaps not for all, but all are affected to at least some degree, which in turn leads to accepting or being inclined (tempted) to accept other ideas, which are immoral.

    Give up the video games.
    I half agree with your 1st paragraph, realistic violence and gore should be avoided. What about 'cartoon' violence?

    As for your 2nd paragraph, I can understand the idea behind what you said but I don't see it as a video game specific issue.
    Why don’t you start a hobby or activity which would be good for your physical health and for your soul? You do say that your present activity has been garbage since day 1.

    Go bike riding, hiking, walking, reading good books (not garbage), Woodworking, writing, learn a useful skill, take a course in public speaking, learn a new language. The choices are limitless.

    Remember God gave you limited time here on this earth. Use it for your own betterment and the benefit of your fellow man. You will be judged on how you used the time He gifted you.


    I already do some exercise (avoiding the gym and public areas due to how women dress), I currently already have a prayer life with spiritual reading where if I add anymore to it I would be overloaded and it would spiral out of control. Many of the things you recommended don't interest me or I can't do them to due to cost/space constraints, though I thank you both for your input.

    Also while I said the story of the game was bad (garbage) I played it for the gameplay, a sort of outlet where I can relax and focus. 

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    Re: Morality of video games and temptations
    « Reply #4 on: April 06, 2024, 10:26:15 AM »
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  • I too have been tempted to go back to video games, but it is just such an unproductive waste of time. Now I can too easily pass much time meditating and thinking on various things both of the faith and not. At least it is much more productive to review the faith and modern errors, to practice the use of reason when meditating on God and creation, and planning ahead for life and solving problems in daily life.


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    Re: Morality of video games and temptations
    « Reply #5 on: April 06, 2024, 10:34:49 AM »
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  • I half agree with your 1st paragraph, realistic violence and gore should be avoided. What about 'cartoon' violence?

    As for your 2nd paragraph, I can understand the idea behind what you said but I don't see it as a video game specific issue.
    Right, it's not game specific, and I do not think this applies to "cartoon violence," but what I said can apply to other things as well, like reading. Consider if someone narrated your game play into chapters of a book, would they tend to edify or to defile? Think about what you said in the OP: "it is quite odd that it is so normal to 'kill' others in video games." With the outstanding graphics and sounds, playing these games effects the brain, it just does.

    That which is in reality immoral or vile, is/becomes something normal and even sought after for the sake of the game, therefore acceptable. After hours and hours (and hours) of eagerly exposing oneself to such immorality or vileness, they condition themselves away from "normal," replacing "normal" with immoral, which can only be a detriment to a good interior life - which, like all of today's pop/rock/rap/etc. music, is imo, the purpose of these games - as you alluded to in the OP: "Over a year ago I made the decision to stop playing video games in-order to be closer to God"  
     
    Once one accepts the immorality of the games, after hours and hours of practicing and enjoying it, it's much easier to put that practice into use and incline yourself toward accepting other immoral things that have nothing to do with the game. 

    Anyway, that's my opinion, but either way give up the games. Listen to some good trad sermons when you want to relax profitably and in order to grow closer to God
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    Re: Morality of video games and temptations
    « Reply #6 on: April 06, 2024, 10:43:19 AM »
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  • Sigh.  Talk to your confessor.  A traditional Catholic priest.  Don't just field opinions for practical moral questions on a public forum.

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    Re: Morality of video games and temptations
    « Reply #7 on: April 06, 2024, 12:43:08 PM »
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  • No, killing people in a video game is not a sin. The only argument I could see is in a game like "Grand Theft Auto" where you play the role of a criminal and going around committing crimes. But this type of game is a rare exception. Most first-person shooters either place the player in the role of a soldier in war, or in some type of zombie apocalypse or end-of-civilization situation where it would be more likely to be self-defense, and so on. Then again, there is a large minority of games where you shoot monsters or zombies or non-humans anyway.

    And most games actually penalize the player in various ways if they shoot non-combatants, hostages, their own team-members, or anyone else whom it would be immoral to kill.

    Video game violence strikes me as more or less a non-issue, in terms of Catholic morality.


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    Re: Morality of video games and temptations
    « Reply #8 on: April 06, 2024, 01:16:30 PM »
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  • Video game violence strikes me as more or less a non-issue, in terms of Catholic morality.
    This brings to mind my opinion that there are many things that may be non issues and not sinful that we still should not do, say, or even think let alone will, but that is probably in the realm of nit picking what it perfect and prudent.
    "Be you therefore perfect, as also your heavenly Father is perfect."
    "Seek first the kingdom of Heaven..."
    "Every idle word that men shall speak, they shall render an account for it in the day of judgment"

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    Re: Morality of video games and temptations
    « Reply #9 on: April 07, 2024, 08:32:51 AM »
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  • Give up the video games. From my own experience it's a drain on the spiritual life and a vehicle for demonic influence.

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    Re: Morality of video games and temptations
    « Reply #10 on: April 07, 2024, 09:42:36 AM »
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  • If you do play video games, resist playing the usual triple A titles-- for at least a decade these games have been designed as propaganda alternate realities. Even if they're not technically sinful, they're a drain on the soul and will probably cause an anxious and depressed disposition as you go through your life just waiting to get back to the game. Opt for minimal graphic strategy games which stimulate your mind more than your senses, and indie developers who are (not guaranteed, but at least more likely) to be making games that aren't designed to corrupt your mind. 


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    Re: Morality of video games and temptations
    « Reply #11 on: April 07, 2024, 11:43:54 AM »
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  • There's nothing inherently wrong with playing video games, even IMO the "violent" ones (impurity being a separate issue).  MOST people can tell the difference between fake violence (in movies and video games) vs. real violence.  I for one would have no problem hacking things up with a chainsaw in a video game (though I really haven't played any video games in probably 20 years ... not interested anymore) ... but in real life I don't like even crushing bugs (but will throw them outside) and always use the humane mouse traps, etc. ... and especially find it difficult to see people suffering.  It's usually the people who have no sense of morals that are influenced into violence by these games.  Also, more and more, real-life war is conducted via drones or other unmanned vehicles, and you get footage all the time of "solders" controlling these drones remotely and blowing away innocent civilians, and often laughing about it ... thinking of it as if it were a video game.  Now the US armed forces have armies of skilled gamers ready to control deadly drones to slaughter people, having become desensitized to it in video games.

    Now, the problem is that if you are like some and go back to gaming, that, if you're liable to being addicted to it, soon you could find yourself wasting many hours a day where you could have been doing something more productive and more for God's glory.  That's why alcoholics can never "just" have one drink.  As soon as they take their first sip, they tend to fall off the wagon.  Same thing is true of many gamers.  If that's you, where you would not be able to limit yourself to just an hour or two per day, then it's probably not good for you to start back up.

    You do want to avoid anything that might have certain occult elements in them, though I think a certain amount of fantasy "magic" per se is OK, provided it's not dark, or especially if you're fighting AGAINST various nefarious forces in your game.

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    Re: Morality of video games and temptations
    « Reply #12 on: April 07, 2024, 11:45:06 AM »
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  • If you do play video games, resist playing the usual triple A titles-- for at least a decade these games have been designed as propaganda alternate realities. Even if they're not technically sinful, they're a drain on the soul and will probably cause an anxious and depressed disposition as you go through your life just waiting to get back to the game. Opt for minimal graphic strategy games which stimulate your mind more than your senses, and indie developers who are (not guaranteed, but at least more likely) to be making games that aren't designed to corrupt your mind.

    This is very true.  Most of the big game companies are controlled or heavily influenced by various "deep state" elements that have agendas.

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    Re: Morality of video games and temptations
    « Reply #13 on: April 07, 2024, 03:06:06 PM »
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  • If the OP was able to play only acceptable games in moderation he wouldn't be asking the question.

    The only appropriate answer is to advise him to give it up for God's greater glory and the salvation of his soul.

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    Re: Morality of video games and temptations
    « Reply #14 on: April 07, 2024, 07:13:52 PM »
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  • Now, the problem is that if you are like some and go back to gaming, that, if you're liable to being addicted to it, soon you could find yourself wasting many hours a day where you could have been doing something more productive and more for God's glory.  That's why alcoholics can never "just" have one drink.  As soon as they take their first sip, they tend to fall off the wagon.  Same thing is true of many gamers.  If that's you, where you would not be able to limit yourself to just an hour or two per day, then it's probably not good for you to start back up.

    This, and Nadir's response are the best in this thread, in my opinion.

    The reality is that just about ANYTHING ELSE you did instead, including "hanging out" at the Mall, would be better for your body/brain/future. At least hanging out with gang members would increase your social skills, awareness, motivate you to get in better shape, perhaps increase your self-defense and fighting skills, etc.

    My point: anything else you could do (not involving a screen) would AT LEAST involve being in reality -- even if you sat on a lawn chair in the front yard and thought about stuff for 2 hours instead of 2 hours of screen time. At least the former would allow your thoughts and brain to develop, allow for meditation, be a true chance to rest and recreate, etc.

    Do literally anything else involving your body and real life -- that's my advice. And my favorite quote "only boring people get bored". Likewise, only boring people need to reach for a screen offering canned, mainstream, passive entertainment. A truly interesting person would have dozens of things he wanted to learn, explore, and do.

    And some guys wonder why they're not married yet -- why would a girl want to marry someone who was completely uninteresting, and whose life was a total drag? Who would want to be a part of such a life? Make yourself an interesting man, that any wise or smart girl would WANT to be a part of. You'll be much happier in the long run.
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