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Marry without love for son
« on: January 14, 2024, 09:34:54 PM »
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  • Hi, I've been lurking these forums for 6 months, coming back to the faith after 20 years. I'm in a civil marriage with a non-Christian woman and we have a 4 year old son. We've started going to mass but I've not been able to receive Communion as we're cohabiting. We've been talking about getting her baptized and us marrying through the Church. She hasn't been enthusiastic about this but it seems like she'll go along. She had been interested in converting to Protestantism from a friend and that's what got me to look into it, then I looked into our local Novus Ordo, then I thankfully found the SSPX, the Resistance and traditional Catholicism. She unfortunately doesn't like the rules of traditional Catholicism very much. She particularly doesn't like that I asked her to stop wearing skin tight work out clothes in public and that I got rid of the TV.

    Our relationship hasn't been great. And it was very bad the first year or two. We hardly knew each other when she got pregnant and I married her so she can stay in the country (she's from Southeast Asia). I was resentful and acted that way. The plan was if things don't work out, we can separate.

    She recently threatened divorce again and said she doesn't respect me. Now I'm wondering if we should just end it. I've kept the relationship going and have been hoping through prayer and grace, I'd be a better husband. There are things I don't like about her and I hope this will change too. But the main reason I keep fighting to keep us together despite the fact we don't like each other very much is for our 4 year old son.

    But since this latest instance of her trying to walk out, I'm not so sure anymore. I've lost some confidence in her and I'm angry. My understanding is that because this is a civil marriage getting a divorce is not a mortal sin and won't block me from Communion. I see the only options are either to divorce or to marry in the Catholic Church. Cohabiting is no longer an option as I no longer want to live in sin. Wondering people's thoughts on whether it's best to marry without love for the betterment of a child.

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    Re: Marry without love for son
    « Reply #1 on: January 14, 2024, 10:50:19 PM »
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  • Any chance you could get custody?


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    Re: Marry without love for son
    « Reply #2 on: January 14, 2024, 10:56:54 PM »
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  • I don't mean to make light of your post, but you really needed some commas in there.

    Marry, without love for son
    or
    Marry without love, for son

    English strikes again.

    I would speak with a traditional priest about it, if possible. 

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    Re: Marry without love for son
    « Reply #3 on: January 14, 2024, 11:28:44 PM »
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  • It doesn't sound like she will stay with you. If she gets baptized and you two marry, you will be in a true, indisoluble marriage. And if it falls apart, you'll need to commit to celibacy for the remainder of her life. Are you ready for that?

    I don't see how this marriage would be in the interest of your son if she is already threatening divorce. Sounds like you two are bound to split up no matter what. 

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    Re: Marry without love for son
    « Reply #4 on: January 15, 2024, 12:22:10 AM »
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  • It sounds like she has a relatively mild temperament if she's willing to consider becoming Catholic for you. I know you've said that life hasn't been great, but I've heard much worse situations. Consider that you've changed a lot in six months and be patient. Do you have a Traditional priest you can talk to about your situation?
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    Re: Marry without love for son
    « Reply #5 on: January 15, 2024, 01:14:47 AM »
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  • Hi, I've been lurking these forums for 6 months, coming back to the faith after 20 years. I'm in a civil marriage with a non-Christian woman and we have a 4 year old son. We've started going to mass but I've not been able to receive Communion as we're cohabiting. We've been talking about getting her baptized and us marrying through the Church. She hasn't been enthusiastic about this but it seems like she'll go along. She had been interested in converting to Protestantism from a friend and that's what got me to look into it, then I looked into our local Novus Ordo, then I thankfully found the SSPX, the Resistance and traditional Catholicism. She unfortunately doesn't like the rules of traditional Catholicism very much. She particularly doesn't like that I asked her to stop wearing skin tight work out clothes in public and that I got rid of the TV.

    Our relationship hasn't been great. And it was very bad the first year or two. We hardly knew each other when she got pregnant and I married her so she can stay in the country (she's from Southeast Asia). I was resentful and acted that way. The plan was if things don't work out, we can separate.

    She recently threatened divorce again and said she doesn't respect me. Now I'm wondering if we should just end it. I've kept the relationship going and have been hoping through prayer and grace, I'd be a better husband. There are things I don't like about her and I hope this will change too. But the main reason I keep fighting to keep us together despite the fact we don't like each other very much is for our 4 year old son.

    But since this latest instance of her trying to walk out, I'm not so sure anymore. I've lost some confidence in her and I'm angry. My understanding is that because this is a civil marriage getting a divorce is not a mortal sin and won't block me from Communion. I see the only options are either to divorce or to marry in the Catholic Church. Cohabiting is no longer an option as I no longer want to live in sin. Wondering people's thoughts on whether it's best to marry without love for the betterment of a child.

    C
    Regarding her clothing you have done well, a women should not wear such attire, especially not in public. Don't compromise on the Catholic faith as your salvation is on the line here.

    It seems she doesn't understand that Protestantism is a false religion and the fact she dislikes how strict the truth is tells me she is more interested in false piety and wants to put herself first above God and others.

    I think the others will.give you better relationship advice than me but make sure you are praying always.

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    Re: Marry without love for son
    « Reply #6 on: January 15, 2024, 01:15:30 AM »
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  • It doesn't sound like she will stay with you. If she gets baptized and you two marry, you will be in a true, indisoluble marriage. And if it falls apart, you'll need to commit to celibacy for the remainder of her life. Are you ready for that?

    I don't see how this marriage would be in the interest of your son if she is already threatening divorce. Sounds like you two are bound to split up no matter what.
    If they were both non religious even their civil marriage is indissoluble.

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    Re: Marry without love for son
    « Reply #7 on: January 15, 2024, 01:58:14 AM »
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  • Any chance you could get custody?

    I had imagined joint custody out of fairness. As for full custody, I could maybe make it work as I work from home. It's just a demanding job and I don't have the support family or friends here. It would be difficult but doable.

    I don't mean to make light of your post, but you really needed some commas in there.

    Oh no. I was so concerned about the post content, I didn't think too much about the title. I've never posted on a forum before. :facepalm:

    It sounds like she has a relatively mild temperament if she's willing to consider becoming Catholic for you. I know you've said that life hasn't been great, but I've heard much worse situations. Consider that you've changed a lot in six months and be patient.

    This is where I'm holding out hope. Patience might be in order. I would like to accelerate it however. Do you have a book you could recommend her? She's not a native English speaker so anything with archaic sounding English might be too difficult. Or any other recommendations like a podcast? I'm probably not the best apologist for her.

    Do you have a Traditional priest you can talk to about your situation?

    I had talked with a sedevacantist priest a few months ago about the sacraments. I don't plan to become sedevacantist because I'm just trying to understand the faith at the moment and not make major decisions. But I suppose I'll call him tomorrow and explain to him the situation.

    Regarding her clothing you have done well, a women should not wear such attire, especially not in public. Don't compromise on the Catholic faith as your salvation is on the line here.

    It seems she doesn't understand that Protestantism is a false religion and the fact she dislikes how strict the truth is tells me she is more interested in false piety and wants to put herself first above God and others.

    I think the others will.give you better relationship advice than me but make sure you are praying always.

    I have to pick and choose my battles. She has stated she doesn't respect me so I have little to work with. I'll hold the line on this one.

    If they were both non religious even their civil marriage is indissoluble.

    Does that include if I'm baptized Catholic? I always considered myself Catholic but lapsed. We didn't marry in the Catholic Church because it was strictly to keep her in the states.

    It doesn't sound like she will stay with you. If she gets baptized and you two marry, you will be in a true, indisoluble marriage. And if it falls apart, you'll need to commit to celibacy for the remainder of her life. Are you ready for that?

    I don't see how this marriage would be in the interest of your son if she is already threatening divorce. Sounds like you two are bound to split up no matter what.

    I'm not sure I'd find another wife as I'm in my late 30s. But still, I would like the option of course. That's why I'm hesitant here.

    C


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    Re: Marry without love for son
    « Reply #8 on: January 15, 2024, 04:41:58 AM »
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  • Please talk to the sedevacantist priest.

    You should not marry unless your wife sincerely converts and won't leave you.

    You're in a very tough situation, I recommend praying the 15 decades of the rosary each day if you can.

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    Re: Marry without love for son
    « Reply #9 on: January 15, 2024, 05:43:49 AM »
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  • You should not marry unless your wife sincerely converts and won't leave you.
    Since we've said "talk to a priest" 3 times now, I think it's fair game to toss in my opinion. :smirk:

    I don't understand the logic from the above poster. I'm going to answer the original question and say "yes" you should stay in a so-so relationship for the sake of your son.
    The standard divorce arrangement looks something like you paying a large portion of your wages in child support just to see your child on some weekends and holidays. There's slim chance of you, as the father, getting a better arrangement than that. You have the best chance of teaching your son your own values and the Catholic Faith by being there for as long and as much as possible. The fact that the Church allows for Catholics to marry non-Catholics as long as they agree to raise the children Catholic shows the priority order. You have a greater responsibility for raising your son than you do in converting your spouse. Your marriage might technically be in a state that you can walk away from, but the reality is that your family became permanent four years ago (five, really) when your son became part of the equation.
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    Re: Marry without love for son
    « Reply #10 on: January 15, 2024, 05:56:15 AM »
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  • Does that include if I'm baptized Catholic? I always considered myself Catholic but lapsed. We didn't marry in the Catholic Church because it was strictly to keep her in the states.

    I would reccomend you read through this thread particularly this post.

    https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/are-people-married-in-non-catholic-ceremonies-really-married/msg859528/#msg859528

    Obviously if your wife converts that is the best case scenario. Since you have a child and all.


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    Re: Marry without love for son
    « Reply #11 on: January 15, 2024, 05:57:44 AM »
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  • I would reccomend you read through this thread particularly this post.

    https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/are-people-married-in-non-catholic-ceremonies-really-married/msg859528/#msg859528

    Obviously if your wife converts that is the best case scenario. Since you have a child and all.
    OP were you raised Catholic? And what about your wife? Baptised/raised religious at all?

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    Re: Marry without love for son
    « Reply #12 on: January 15, 2024, 06:41:48 AM »
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  • Hi, I've been lurking these forums for 6 months, coming back to the faith after 20 years. I'm in a civil marriage with a non-Christian woman and we have a 4 year old son. We've started going to mass but I've not been able to receive Communion as we're cohabiting. We've been talking about getting her baptized and us marrying through the Church. She hasn't been enthusiastic about this but it seems like she'll go along. She had been interested in converting to Protestantism from a friend and that's what got me to look into it, then I looked into our local Novus Ordo, then I thankfully found the SSPX, the Resistance and traditional Catholicism. She unfortunately doesn't like the rules of traditional Catholicism very much. She particularly doesn't like that I asked her to stop wearing skin tight work out clothes in public and that I got rid of the TV.

    Our relationship hasn't been great. And it was very bad the first year or two. We hardly knew each other when she got pregnant and I married her so she can stay in the country (she's from Southeast Asia). I was resentful and acted that way. The plan was if things don't work out, we can separate.

    She recently threatened divorce again and said she doesn't respect me. Now I'm wondering if we should just end it. I've kept the relationship going and have been hoping through prayer and grace, I'd be a better husband. There are things I don't like about her and I hope this will change too. But the main reason I keep fighting to keep us together despite the fact we don't like each other very much is for our 4 year old son.

    But since this latest instance of her trying to walk out, I'm not so sure anymore. I've lost some confidence in her and I'm angry. My understanding is that because this is a civil marriage getting a divorce is not a mortal sin and won't block me from Communion. I see the only options are either to divorce or to marry in the Catholic Church. Cohabiting is no longer an option as I no longer want to live in sin. Wondering people's thoughts on whether it's best to marry without love for the betterment of a child.

    C
    I'll chime in with the others and recommend speaking with your priest. Here are my 2 cents:

    However, I disagree with the bolded ... for now....given where she is at spiritually. Even most NO Catholics would balk at these things. You definitely have to pick your battles, and IMO this isn't it.  Meet her halfway, and that might soften her willingness to come to Catholicism.

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    Re: Marry without love for son
    « Reply #13 on: January 15, 2024, 07:55:37 AM »
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  • Maybe she mentioned divorce out of anger.  

    She already has a friend who is a Protestant.  She might need to find a female friend at your chapel.  

    Do you love her?  Marriage takes work.   
    First couple of years can be difficult for any couple.  You both have a child.  Time to grow up and give all to God.  

    Find a family with a good marriage at your chapel to hang out with outside Mass.   



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    Re: Marry without love for son
    « Reply #14 on: January 15, 2024, 08:11:26 AM »
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  • Also, who is current Protestant friend?  Is this  friend same nationality of your wife? Is she divorced?  Is she single. Sometimes misery likes company and cause problems in marriages.  Girls night out and boys night out is not of God.  

    Married people shouldn’t hang out with single or divorced people.  It can cause problems in a marriage.  

    Put God first in your family.  
    Many times happily married couples with children will hang out outside of mass.  I know many various families getting together for meals, prayer, hikes. Etc.