Author Topic: Jobs for traditional Catholics? (Read 17546 times)

wallflower · « **Reply #45 on:** May 09, 2012, 03:21:11 PM »

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Agreed, Wallflower, the years of networking is a double edge sword. It takes years to develop which is why you want to start early and do it as much as possible. PM me on fisheaters or here and I'll send you some free training materials I put together years ago which you may find useful.

This is ggreg by the way but for some reason it is posting anon.

Will do! DH soaks up as much as he can. Luckily he is a people person anyway, but he does need to learn to focus it and apply it more professionally.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #46 on:** May 09, 2012, 04:18:16 PM »

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but I'd say there's a lot of opportunity in The Military and I think, the government will continue to spend a lot of money in that area, for decades to come. Lot of opportunities for women too.

This is INSANE. You are not a Traditional Catholic.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #47 on:** May 09, 2012, 04:23:19 PM »

Look, here is how you SHOULD go about getting a job as a Traditional Catholic:

Self-employment. Start your own buisiness in whatever field you excell in, make money that way. Traditional Catholics are generally poor (not dirt poor, just a generally small-income family). You shouldn't waste your time doing all these modern jobs that some people here have recommended, like being a salesperson or joining the military.

s2srea · « **Reply #48 on:** May 09, 2012, 04:31:40 PM »

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Look, here is how you SHOULD go about getting a job as a Traditional Catholic:

Self-employment. Start your own buisiness in whatever field you excell in, make money that way. Traditional Catholics are generally poor (not dirt poor, just a generally small-income family). You shouldn't waste your time doing all these modern jobs that some people here have recommended, like being a salesperson or joining the military.

And this is something you've done? Successfully?

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #49 on:** May 09, 2012, 04:40:53 PM »

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Look, here is how you SHOULD go about getting a job as a Traditional Catholic:

Self-employment. Start your own buisiness in whatever field you excell in, make money that way. Traditional Catholics are generally poor (not dirt poor, just a generally small-income family). You shouldn't waste your time doing all these modern jobs that some people here have recommended, like being a salesperson or joining the military.

And this is something you've done? Successfully?

I say this SS, because you've seem to be a stranger to practicality.

You think its so easy to just get up and start a successful business? Do you know the statistics on business start ups? Have you ever started one? And how do you start a business, without money? Can it be done, sure. But its not quite as easy as you say, or make it seem, especially in todays day and age.

I am in high end sales SS, but not by choice. However, its not a "waste of time". It feeds my family, and as far as I can see, is where God has chosen me to be in life, until he moves me elsewhere. Should I pick up and start a business because it's somehow not as "modern"? What a ridiculous thought process.

Stop giving advice, when you are still wet behind the ears. It is not yours to give in this case, as is evidenced by your illogical conclusion.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #50 on:** May 09, 2012, 04:58:21 PM »

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Look, here is how you SHOULD go about getting a job as a Traditional Catholic:

Self-employment. Start your own buisiness in whatever field you excell in, make money that way. Traditional Catholics are generally poor (not dirt poor, just a generally small-income family). You shouldn't waste your time doing all these modern jobs that some people here have recommended, like being a salesperson or joining the military.

And this is something you've done? Successfully?

I say this SS, because you've seem to be a stranger to practicality.

[For sake of identification, I am the member contemplating the music/sociology major]

This seems to be a problem that isn't limited to just one user here.

I don't think that the idea of college is opposed to the Catholic faith. It's true that most college professors are liberal and that much misinformation is being spread in these institutions. Sure, college may just seems like a lot of expensive busy work to get a degree that isn't even a real accurate measure of your intelligence, but it seems like the reality is - graduating college at least proves that you had what it takes to endure the four extra years of education and earn the degree.

Personally, I wouldn't discriminate against a k-12 homeschooled person and a grad. school graduate if the former was more qualified for whatever I was looking for, but a lot of people probably do have that bias. Most people in the world don't evaluate others on an Catholic evaluation system, let alone a traditional Catholic system.

While I would like to contemplate the idea of a pastoral lifestyle, totally dependent on the land, etc - it just doesn't work for everyone, and in my opinion, it really isn't even necessary. I actually enjoy my modern conveniences, thank you.

I don't know enough about the traditional Catholic population, but it would seem that poverty is not a uniting factor.

ggreg · « **Reply #51 on:** May 09, 2012, 05:14:02 PM »

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Sure, some innovations mean that the businesses cut costs and humans lose jobs. That is called progress.

It may be called progress, but it's a sick joke to call it such.

It has been happening since the beginning of time.

Blame the engineers for inventing labour saving devices.

Book writers, washerwomen, human dishwashers, carpet sweepers, chimney sweeps, dockyard workers have all gone the way of the dinosaur.

If Google develop the self-driving car (they have just acquired a licence for it) then Taxi Drivers are going to be consigned to history before long too. As will drunk drivers.

People need to re-skill and retool. That is the way of the world and always has been.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #52 on:** May 09, 2012, 05:20:08 PM »

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Sure, some innovations mean that the businesses cut costs and humans lose jobs. That is called progress.

It may be called progress, but it's a sick joke to call it such.

It has been happening since the beginning of time.

Blame the engineers for inventing labour saving devices.

Book writers, washerwomen, human dishwashers, carpet sweepers, chimney sweeps, dockyard workers have all gone the way of the dinosaur.

If Google develop the self-driving car (they have just acquired a licence for it) then Taxi Drivers are going to be consigned to history before long too. As will drunk drivers.

People need to re-skill and retool. That is the way of the world and always has been.

Yes, but it's not progress. History is NOT a story of progress. Reject the myth of progress.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #53 on:** May 09, 2012, 05:52:40 PM »

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And this is something you've done? Successfully?

That's a straw-man fallacy. It isn't about what I have done or not done, it's about what Traditional Catholics think. Plenty of Trads go into self-employment. Don't take it up with me, smart guy. Ask other Trads out there and see for yourself.

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You think its so easy to just get up and start a successful business? Do you know the statistics on business start ups? Have you ever started one? And how do you start a business, without money? Can it be done, sure. But its not quite as easy as you say, or make it seem, especially in todays day and age.

You're putting words in my mouth. I never said it was easy. It's NEVER easy to go out there and be successful, regardless of what job you have. It's about doing the right thing. Self-employment is a Traditional Catholic idea.

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Stop giving advice, when you are still wet behind the ears. It is not yours to give in this case, as is evidenced by your illogical conclusion.

I will give advice whenever I please, you two-faced hothead. Your post shows that YOU are wet behind the ears, because the idea of self-employment has apparently not registered in your mind. How kind of you to simply attack my post by asking me what I have done in life, rather than addressing my actual point.

And sorry if "two-faced hothead" sounds uncharitable, but you are indeed two-faced. You act like you're someone's friend one minute, then slander them the next.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #54 on:** May 09, 2012, 05:53:14 PM »

The above post is mine by the way. Sorry, I didn't mean to post that anonymously.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #55 on:** May 09, 2012, 06:02:39 PM »

You know, I couldn't believe what I read when I stumbled upon this thread. The junk, and I do mean JUNK, that has been posted on this thread is incredible. Not all of the posts on this thread have been bad, Matthew raised some good points. But what is with this junk about joining the military and so forth?

The neo-Trads have completely ruined the atmosphere on this forum. This is not the CatholicInfo I loved when I first joined. In the past, self-employment, homeschooling, and the woman staying at home were always supported. Now you see anyone who still supports those things made fun of, a prime example being this thread. Look at how s2srea questions what I've done in real life rather than addressing my point. He doesn't know what I have or have not done, who the heck is he to judge?

And I think it is DISGUSTING that people like Telesphorus have been incessantly made fun of because they speak out against feminism. I know my sympathy for the man is not popular here, but trust me, I can relate to anyone who is criticized for speaking out against it. I was made fun of on another forum a year ago for speaking out against it, I know what it's like. Matthew, Tele, Sede Catholic, Caraffa, and a few others here understand why it's wrong. But an unfortunate majority of people here seem too soft on the issue.

You know, when I posted on "Catholic" Answers, I actually had Novus Ordites there agree with me on the issue of women working outside the home. Sad to see that a Novus Ordo forum suddenly understands it more than this one.

(I know we're talking about jobs here, but the issue of women working outside the home was briefly mentioned.)

Anyway, a lot of neo-Trads here. Go ahead and thumb me down. I'll take it as a badge of honor. I care about defending the truth, not a bunch of meaningless reputation points.

wallflower · « **Reply #56 on:** May 09, 2012, 06:58:33 PM »

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SS I 'm not sure why that question triggered such a reaction in you but it was a valid question. You want to find people who have succeeded or are succeeding and get their advice. If your only advice is --- be self-employed and reject what these others have to say --- it's only fair to ask if you've been successful at that. Especially since you seem to be a little misguided on what self-employment is.

Do you know how many people who are self-employed are actually in sales? We are self-employed. We are also in sales. More often than not the two go hand in hand.

Also, sales and the military are not "modern". They must be as old as civilization itself. And they will always be around, so if you find the right niche or are able to adapt to progess or change, however you want to put it, you will have job stability.

Whether the military should be pursued is a different story, one that I would not encourage, nevertheless I've seen some families do well with it. Enlist at 20, put in a 20 year career; schooling paid; good chance at being debt-free; retire at 40 -- young enough to start a whole new career, self-employed, with whatever trade or profession you trained for... that's an option worth considering. The military isn't all about guns and going off to war with ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs, it is a whole little civilization of its own. You have every option for a career from finance to every aspect of the medical field to legal or business admin, construction etc... The bases are like little independent cities with soldiers working every aspect. Choose a career that transitions well into the civilian world and you have it made when you get out. Again, I don't think it's the best option in today's climate but its mention is not worth the outburst either.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #57 on:** May 09, 2012, 07:04:18 PM »

I wasn't clear enough on what I said about being a salesperson, but never mind.

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Whether the military should be pursued is a different story, one that I would not encourage, nevertheless I've seen some families do well with it. Enlist at 20, put in a 20 year career; schooling paid; good chance at being debt-free; retire at 40 -- young enough to start a whole new career, self-employed, with whatever trade or profession you trained for... that's an option worth considering.

With all due respect, you just proved my point with that freightening statement.

wallflower · « **Reply #58 on:** May 09, 2012, 07:25:51 PM »

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I wasn't clear enough on what I said about being a salesperson, but never mind.

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Whether the military should be pursued is a different story, one that I would not encourage, nevertheless I've seen some families do well with it. Enlist at 20, put in a 20 year career; schooling paid; good chance at being debt-free; retire at 40 -- young enough to start a whole new career, self-employed, with whatever trade or profession you trained for... that's an option worth considering.

With all due respect, you just proved my point with that freightening statement.

And what point was that again? That the many trad families who managed to PCS close to trad chapels (move paid for btw) and put their families through private trad schools and retire comfortably doing the above are neo-trads while you are the only one who knows how it SHOULD be done?

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #59 on:** May 09, 2012, 07:31:55 PM »

I wonder whether wallflower is aware of just how rancid is the level of immorality in today's military.

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