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Author Topic: Fr Joseph Horvath holy orders  (Read 7489 times)

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Re: Fr Joseph Horvath holy orders
« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2023, 06:05:21 PM »
That is true. I've only been attending for a few months now.
The bookstore at that chapel is stellar.

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Re: Fr Joseph Horvath holy orders
« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2023, 12:16:46 PM »
Ordination to the priesthood does not require prior ordination to diaconate and subdiaconate.
This is interesting.  Surely this is true for the subdiaconate, but can a man really be ordained a priest without first being ordained a deacon?  Could a man be consecrated a bishop without first being ordained a priest?  I'm not so sure.


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Re: Fr Joseph Horvath holy orders
« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2023, 05:32:16 PM »
This is interesting.  Surely this is true for the subdiaconate, but can a man really be ordained a priest without first being ordained a deacon?  Could a man be consecrated a bishop without first being ordained a priest?  I'm not so sure.

Yes, a priest can be ordained to the priesthood without first being ordained to the diaconate.  That's certain.

It's debated (and considered doubtful) whether a man could be ordained a bishop without first being ordained a priest.  Certainly this cannot happen the way the Latin/Roman Rite is written:  "Comple in Sacerdote Tuo ..." where the essential form refers to perfecting or completing "in your priest" the summit of the ministry.  This applied to a non-priest would be invalid.  Now, I haven't looked at the Eastern Rites, but IMO if the Rite's essential form did not specify a priest, it's possible and even likely that the consecration would be valid.  There's also some speculation that a priest could ordain another man to the priesthood.