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Änσnymσus

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Fr Joseph Horvath holy orders
« on: December 21, 2022, 10:22:56 PM »
Fr Joseph Horvath is going to be a visiting priest at my nearest SSPX chapel soon, so I decided to check in on his ordination history to ensure that he's a valid priest. I was able to find out from old threads on CathInfo that he was a Novus Ordo priest that joined the SSPX around a decade ago and requested to be conditionally ordained. With that, I have two questions:


  • Who was the bishop that conditionally ordained him (I assume one of the four Lefebvre bishops did it, which is perfectly fine since they are undoubtedly valid bishops)?
  • When the SSPX conditionally ordains Novus Ordo priests, do they ordain them to the sub-diaconate and then diaconate before the priesthood?

Any help would be appreciated, as information online about Fr Horvath is very sparse. I've heard nothing but wonderful things about him and his sermons, so I'm hoping to hear good news about him so that I can receive sacraments from him with no doubts in my mind. My biggest concern is how the SSPX handles conditional ordinations, because I don't know their specific procedures in these cases. If he wasn't conditionally ordained to the sub-diaconate (though in this case, there would be nothing conditional about it since the Paul VI rite threw out the sub-diaconate) and diaconate, then I don't think it would be possible for him to be a valid priest. Perhaps it would be best to directly contact Fr Horvath about his holy orders, though I hesitate because I've heard that ordination history can be a touchy topic for SSPX priests that came from the Novus Ordo.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Fr Joseph Horvath holy orders
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2022, 10:27:05 PM »
Ordination to the priesthood does not require prior ordination to diaconate and subdiaconate.

But 10 years ago would put him at 2012, when the SSPX was very loathe to perform conditional ordinations, even if the priest requested it.
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Offline SimpleMan

Re: Fr Joseph Horvath holy orders
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2022, 01:12:49 AM »
Father Horvath offered the thirty Gregorian Masses for my father earlier this year.  Aside from that, I know nothing about him.  
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Fr Joseph Horvath holy orders
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2022, 04:17:52 AM »
Quoting an old post of mine on Fr. Horvath:


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SSPX priest Fr. Joseph Horvath was conditionally ordained after leaving the NO. I was present at his first [SSPX] Mass in Louisville, KY - I can't remember exactly but I think that was like 2010 or so. He lambasted his NO bishop and the whole NO up one side and down the other from the pulpit that day, he was really fuming at them that day -  that was one awesome sermon, definitely not the usual SSPX sleeper I've become accustomed to.

I'm pretty sure that he was mostly convinced his NO ordination was valid, but I think he may have had his own doubts so he was conditionally ordained by the SSPX to eliminate all doubts about the validity of his orders. 

I remember asking a +20 year SSPX priest about it a year or so ago, he immediately answered that most of the NO priests who want to come into the SSPX are usually the first ones wanting to be conditionally ordained - which makes sense imo, but also the SSPX does some investigation into the matter first. But I am pretty sure the SSPX does not make conditional ordinations an automatic  requirement for NO priests.
Fr. Horvath proudly declared from the pulpit that day that he was conditionally ordained by the SSPX - although I cannot remember which bishop. He became one of my favorite priests that day, I received the Last Rights from him prior to my heart surgery about 10 years ago. You're in good hands with him.

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Re: Fr Joseph Horvath holy orders
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2022, 08:56:58 AM »
OK, so if it was 2010, there's a good chance SSPX would conditionally ordained him upon his request.  Closer to 2012, it probably would have been rejected due to the SSPX being on the verge of an agreement with Rome.  In 2010, Bishop Williamson was still in the SSPX and he could very well have been the one to conditionally ordain him.
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