Mr. Vere, do you think this is a good time to be arguing in favor of some kind of agreement with Rome? It's very clear that Pope Francis doesn't like traditionalists. It's also clear that some people, such as Bishop Williamson and the much hated Malachi Martin, predicted that a very liberal Pope would be elected after JPII who would take the Church to an even greater and deeper crisis than it was in before. Now these two men have been proven correct(the timing was slightly off; Benedict's election was a temporary stop gap whose work was to vindicate the old Mass, and lift the excommunications before all hell broke lose). I'm not a member of the Resistance, I still favor the SSPX unless +Fellay makes some kind of compromise. But I can see the wisdom now in what some of those who told His Excellency Bishop Fellay to be wary. What do you say? Do you really believe that there isn't a crisis in the Church, and that the actions of Pope Francis are compatible with his predecessors? Thanks for your response.

Mr. Vere, do you think this is a good time to be arguing in favor of some kind of agreement with Rome?

Apologies for not answering sooner. I just caught this thread now. Like many within the ED movement, and quite a few FSSPX Fellay loyalists, I was hoping the reconciliation would happen under Pope Benedict.

I would still like to see it happen under Pope Francis, but recognize that he was not as personally invested in an agreement as Pope Benedict was.

That being said, Pope Francis's relationship with the Eastern Orthodox is stronger than any pope since the Great Schism, with the Patriarchs of Constantinople and Moscow now openly discussing future reconciliation as a very real possibility.

A number of educated Orthodox see the FSSPX negotiations as a litmus test for eventual reconciliation between Catholicism and Orthodoxy. Ergo I could see Rome under Pope Francis being generous with the FSSPX in order to send a strong message to the Orthodox that he is serious about reconciliation.

Malachi martin is hated? Why is that I wonder?

Spend some time with the search engine of your choice.  There are plenty of reasons for even the most stalwart trad to thin Martin is a nutjob.

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Malachi martin is hated? Why is that I wonder?

Spend some time with the search engine of your choice.  There are plenty of reasons for even the most stalwart trad to thin Martin is a nutjob.

Not so much nut job as treacherous, double tongued deceiver.