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« Reply #15 on: June 05, 2024, 06:13:52 PM »
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  • We received direct confirmation from Saint Isidore's that a canonical review was performed by the SSPX and it was decided NOT to perform a conditional ordination.

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    Re: Father Fewell
    « Reply #16 on: June 05, 2024, 06:26:00 PM »
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  • Can you cite something from the SSPX or Archbishop Lefebvre that backs up what you're saying?
    Better! I was a seminarian in the late 1980s. I was there at Winona and this was my own personal experience. Bishop Williamson conditionally confirmed all seminarians who had been confirmed in the Novus Ordo. A few years earlier, Archbishop Lefebvre had done the same at Ridgefield.

    Were you associated with the SSPX five, four, even three decades ago?
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    « Reply #17 on: June 05, 2024, 06:29:21 PM »
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  • Better! I was a seminarian in the late 1980s. I was there at Winona and this was my own personal experience. Bishop Williamson conditionally confirmed all seminarians who had been confirmed in the Novus Ordo. A few years earlier, Archbishop Lefebvre had done the same at Ridgefield.

    Were you associated with the SSPX five, four, even three decades ago?

    No, it's not better. I'm asking about an official policy for the SSPX, or a quote from +ABL. Not a personal experience. 

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    « Reply #18 on: June 05, 2024, 06:33:55 PM »
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  • No, it's not better. I'm asking about an official policy for the SSPX, or a quote from +ABL. Not a personal experience.
    Yes, this was the OFFICIAL policy at St. Thomas Aquinas Seminary. You clearly had no connection to the Society in those days or you would know this. Plus, you what a written policy or statement. That was not how things worked back then. 🤦‍♂️

    I suspect that were thd SSPX is return to the behaviours and attitudes of its priests, seminarians, religious, and laity as they were in the 1980s, you would speed off to the FSSP or ICK.
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    « Reply #19 on: June 05, 2024, 06:45:04 PM »
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  • Yes, this was the OFFICIAL policy at St. Thomas Aquinas Seminary. You clearly had no connection to the Society in those days or you would know this. Plus, you what a written policy or statement. That was not how things worked back then. 🤦‍♂️

    I suspect that were thd SSPX is return to the behaviours and attitudes of its priests, seminarians, religious, and laity as they were in the 1980s, you would speed off to the FSSP or ICK.

    So, personal experience from someone on a forum is always better than an official policy. Sounds very Vatican ll. 

    You want to make it about individual persons. I'm not interested in that. This isn't high school. 


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    Re: Father Fewell
    « Reply #20 on: June 05, 2024, 06:55:20 PM »
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  • Can you cite something from the SSPX or Archbishop Lefebvre that backs up what you're saying?
    :facepalm:  :facepalm:  :facepalm:

    I just wrote how written policies and formal starements was not how the SSPX operated in the 1980s and even early 90s. Another example where no policy was ever written involves the use of birettas at STAS. They were used until late autumn 1988 when Fr. Schmidberger suddenly ended the use during a visit to the seminary. Nothkng was written. He simply said no more birettas, and "poof" -- all birettas disappeared.
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    « Reply #21 on: June 05, 2024, 08:45:21 PM »
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  • I don't remember Fr Hesse every saying he asked ABL, but he does say he asked at least 3 of the 4 new SSPX bishops including Bp Williamson, and all said he didn't need conditional ordination. He says he was ordained in the new rite in Latin by an old rite bishop.

    https://archive.org/details/FatherHesse
    re Topic: On the validity and Invalidity of NO
    You are correct...no mention of + Lefebvre. On the audio link above, at Time:54:10, Fr . Hesse says he asked 3 Bishops, and even Fr. Schmidtberger. All refused to reordain him.

    To hear all 34 Audio recordings of this very knowledgeable priest, type: 'Fr. Gregory Hesse remastered Audio Conferences ' in the search bar.

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    Re: Father Fewell
    « Reply #22 on: June 05, 2024, 09:17:54 PM »
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  • https://archive.org/details/FatherHesse
    re Topic: On the validity and Invalidity of NO
    You are correct...no mention of + Lefebvre. On the audio link above, at Time:54:10, Fr . Hesse says he asked 3 Bishops, and even Fr. Schmidtberger. All refused to reordain him.

    To hear all 34 Audio recordings of this very knowledgeable priest, type: 'Fr. Gregory Hesse remastered Audio Conferences ' in the search bar.

    I don't quite buy that.  Did he ask Bishop Williamson?  Bishop Williamson would certainly have conditionally ordained him.  I've never known him to refuse a request for a conditional.


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    « Reply #23 on: June 05, 2024, 09:18:49 PM »
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  • :facepalm:  :facepalm:  :facepalm:

    I just wrote how written policies and formal starements was not how the SSPX operated in the 1980s and even early 90s. Another example where no policy was ever written involves the use of birettas at STAS. They were used until late autumn 1988 when Fr. Schmidberger suddenly ended the use during a visit to the seminary. Nothkng was written. He simply said no more birettas, and "poof" -- all birettas disappeared.

    Indeed.  There was never any kind of official / written position on most of these issues.  There was just a consensus or Zeitgeist at any given time.

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    « Reply #24 on: June 05, 2024, 09:33:51 PM »
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  •   Bishop Williamson would certainly have conditionally ordained him.  I've never known him to refuse a request for a conditional.
    I have, a few....

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    Re: Father Fewell
    « Reply #25 on: June 05, 2024, 09:56:43 PM »
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  • Can you cite something from the SSPX or Archbishop Lefebvre that backs up what you're saying?

    https://sspx.org/en/must-priests-who-come-tradition-be-re-ordained-30479
    From The Angelus, Sept 2007 written by Fr. Peter Scott, the same Fr. Scott who warned against a practical agreement with Rome and was sent to a dark continent.

    "...The following texts from the archbishop, taken from spiritual conferences to seminarians, refer to the intention of the priest celebrating Mass. However, the same principles can be applied to the bishop ordaining a priest:
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    In the old rite, the intention was clearly determined by all the prayers that were said before and after the consecration. There was a collection of ceremonies all along the sacrifice of the Mass that determined clearly the priest’s intention. It is by the Offertory that the priest expresses clearly his intention.
    However, this does not exist in the new Ordo. The new Mass can be either valid or invalid depending upon the intention of the celebrant, whereas in the traditional Mass, it is impossible for anyone who has the Faith to not have the precise intention of offering a sacrifice and accomplishing it according to the ends foreseen by Holy Church....
    These young priests will not have the intention of doing that which the Church does, for they will not have been taught that the Mass is a true sacrifice. They will not have the intention of offering a sacrifice. They will have the intention of celebrating a Eucharist, a sharing, a communion, a memorial, all of which has nothing to do with faith in the Sacrifice of the Mass. Hence from this moment, inasmuch as these deformed priests no longer have the intention of doing what the Church does, their Masses will obviously be more and more invalid." (Quoted in Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, The Mass of All Time, pp. 266-267)
    There can be no doubt that Archbishop Lefebvre entertained serious doubts as to the intention of some conciliar bishops when they ordain priests. In Open Letter to Confused Catholics (p.50), he points out that the doubt that overhangs the other sacraments also applies to the ordination of priests and gives examples, asking the question: “Are they true priests at all? Put it another way, are their ordinations valid?
    He goes on to explain the reason why he considers that a doubt exists over the ordaining bishop’s intention, for it is frequently no longer the intention of ordaining a priest to offer sacrifice:
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    We are obliged to point out that the intention is far from clear. Has the priest been ordained... to establish justice, fellowship and peace at a level which appears to be limited to the natural order only?... The definition of the priesthood given by St. Paul and by the Council of Trent has been radically altered. The priest is no longer one who goes up to the altar and offers up to God a sacrifice of praise, for the remission of sins." (Ibid., pp.51-52)
    Hence the archbishop’s affirmation that the whole conception of the priesthood has changed and that the priest is no longer regarded as one having the power to do things that the faithful cannot do (ibid., p.54), but rather as one who presides over the assembly. This modernist conception certainly casts a grave shadow of doubt over the intention of the ordaining bishop...."

    BTW why was this link scrubbed? http://www.sspx.org/miscellaneous/conditional_ordination.pdf



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    Re: Father Fewell
    « Reply #26 on: June 06, 2024, 07:16:34 AM »
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  • I have, a few....

    I’m not talking about where he refused because he didn’t agree with the individual’s positions or felt he wasn’t well-formed … but because he believed the NO was valid.  He’s never refused for that reason.   Nice try.  I knew Bishop Williamson before and after his consecration.

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    « Reply #27 on: August 14, 2024, 05:29:09 PM »
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  • As of this past Sunday, "Father" Fewel, is now @ Queen of Angels in  Dickinson, TEXAS.

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    « Reply #28 on: August 14, 2024, 05:45:12 PM »
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  • As of this past Sunday, "Father" Fewel, is now @ Queen of Angels in  Dickinson, TEXAS.
    That's alarming. Be careful

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    Re: Father Fewell
    « Reply #29 on: August 14, 2024, 06:26:41 PM »
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  • From St. Isadore's bulletin:

    Fr. Fewel will be leaving for his first SSPX assignment in Dickinson, Texas, on
    August 13. We will be having a going-away reception for him in the basement after
    the 9 am Mass today.