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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Emotional abuse
« Reply #15 on: September 29, 2025, 08:43:20 PM »
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  • There is a book called All for the Love of Mothers, by the author Lisbeth Burger, published by Lepanto Press, which addresses this issue very well.  It would be best if parents read it before hand and decide if their daughter is ready to read it.  It is very good and very educational regarding how to recognize a good and not so good man.

    So, it used to be that fathers had to consent to have their daughters marry any individual.  While that could be abused, of course, where the father might have ulterior motives, in general, it would be very good for daughters to get their fathers' consent, since men can general "see though" and identify the dirtbags who are trying to masquerade as something else, whereas women don't understand how men think, work, and might conceal things.  Daughters should at the very least consult their fathers, and if their father is opposed, for reasons that appear to be sincere for their own good, they should strongly consider moving on.

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    Re: Emotional abuse
    « Reply #16 on: September 29, 2025, 08:54:12 PM »
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  • Didn't St. Paul say Fathers do better to not let their daughters marry?


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    « Reply #17 on: September 29, 2025, 08:56:11 PM »
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  • My husband was a Catholic of less than a year when I met him.   He was so full of zeal, and very charismatic.  He love bombed my whole family.  It was a long distance relationship, so no on  We followed the priest's e got to know him well. I did travel nursing and stayed with his parents, (non- Catholic) who seemed ok at the time. Turned out they hide their secrets well.  Even though we followed the advice of the priest, I still had no one close observing things and guiding me.  

    There were so many red flags I didn't know about!  Looking back I can see them.  I think it's important to teach your daughters about them BEFORE they begin courtship.  

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    Re: Emotional abuse
    « Reply #18 on: September 29, 2025, 08:57:13 PM »
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  • At the same time, we do have to be careful about women who report "abusive" husbands ... in general ... since out of the 10 cases of "divorce" I've seen among Trads, in 9 out of the 10, i.e. in all but one case, it was actually the WIFE who was abusive and then falsely accused the husband of abuse simply for not succuмbing to her attempts to control him by nagging and other forms of abuse.  Just like with racial matters, where it's considered impossible for a Black person to be "racist", there's this bias that it's ALWAYS men who are abusive, if not physically, then emotionally and verbally.  I know some women who subject their husbands and children to veritable Chinese water torture with nagging, self-absorption, attempts to control through these means, etc. ... and then when others around her do not submit to these attempts to control, it is SHE who makes the allegation of abuse and "controlling behavior" (aka not submitting to her control = the husband being controlling) ... paying no attention whatsoever for a wife to ultimately submit to her husband in the event of any disagreements, barring some matter of conscience or faith.  These allegations then very quickly escalate, during divorce proceedings, to accusations of physical abuse, at least toward the children, when in most of the cases the mother was far more physical in disciplining the children than the husband was, but would call out every spanking administered by the husband as "abuse" in the legal arena, while paying no mind to slapping the kids up herself.  Men can be subjected to emotional and psychological abuse, and often are ... as even Sacred Scripture calls out in a few spots.

    Unfortunately, I'm rather cynical now regarding claims of abuse from women, since I've seen this same thing play out nearly double-digit times now, with the exact same script each and every time.

    I've also, of course, know some men who treated their wives like crap, but, strangely, those wives typically did not end up divorcing their husbands.  It's the ones who were in fact the ACTUAL ABUSERS who ended up suing for divorce.

    Generally speaking, however, unless a woman is dealing with a relatively extreme and rare deviant, if she could find it within herself to recognize her obligation of obedience, and very respectfully defer to her husband in all things that they disagree on, other than very respectfully matters of conscience, referred to a priest to adjudicate ... there are actually few men who would not cherish such a woman.  In fact, such a women WOULD in fact ironically end up taking control of the husband, since her requests would end up being received by the husband as if they were commands ... and would be a much more effective way of establishing "control" than the typical disobedience, disrespect, and the nagging.  Husbands resent that nonsense, and push back on it, and in many cases, having to listen to that form of psychological torture is what causes them to lash out themselves.

    In this regard, the men also have to look out for the signs and the red flags.  I believe that the best way to discern this is to watch the interaction between the young lady's parents.  If her mother has had this habit of "wearing the pants" in the family and telling the husband what to do, then the young lady will enter the marriage with precisely that expectation also, that she would run things, and will not have it any other way, nor will it register to her that it's not the right order of things.  Look out for vanity, being high maintenance, self absorption in all its forms, lack of generosity ... and keep an eye on the mother, and how she treats her husband, i.e. her father.  If you see any of those flags, run, don't walk, but run as quickly as possible in the opposite direction.  If, on the other hand, you see a mother who's respectful and obedient to her husband, and then the young lady herself shows signs of self-sacrifice, giving up what she wants to please others, etc. ... she could be an absolute gem.

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    Re: Emotional abuse
    « Reply #19 on: September 29, 2025, 10:54:10 PM »
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  • At the same time, we do have to be careful about women who report "abusive" husbands ... in general ... since out of the 10 cases of "divorce" I've seen among Trads, in 9 out of the 10, i.e. in all but one case, it was actually the WIFE who was abusive and then falsely accused the husband of abuse simply for not succuмbing to her attempts to control him by nagging and other forms of abuse.  Just like with racial matters, where it's considered impossible for a Black person to be "racist", there's this bias that it's ALWAYS men who are abusive, if not physically, then emotionally and verbally.  I know some women who subject their husbands and children to veritable Chinese water torture with nagging, self-absorption, attempts to control through these means, etc. ... and then when others around her do not submit to these attempts to control, it is SHE who makes the allegation of abuse and "controlling behavior" (aka not submitting to her control = the husband being controlling) ... paying no attention whatsoever for a wife to ultimately submit to her husband in the event of any disagreements, barring some matter of conscience or faith.  These allegations then very quickly escalate, during divorce proceedings, to accusations of physical abuse, at least toward the children, when in most of the cases the mother was far more physical in disciplining the children than the husband was, but would call out every spanking administered by the husband as "abuse" in the legal arena, while paying no mind to slapping the kids up herself.  Men can be subjected to emotional and psychological abuse, and often are ... as even Sacred Scripture calls out in a few spots.

    Unfortunately, I'm rather cynical now regarding claims of abuse from women, since I've seen this same thing play out nearly double-digit times now, with the exact same script each and every time.

    I've also, of course, know some men who treated their wives like crap, but, strangely, those wives typically did not end up divorcing their husbands.  It's the ones who were in fact the ACTUAL ABUSERS who ended up suing for divorce.

    Generally speaking, however, unless a woman is dealing with a relatively extreme and rare deviant, if she could find it within herself to recognize her obligation of obedience, and very respectfully defer to her husband in all things that they disagree on, other than very respectfully matters of conscience, referred to a priest to adjudicate ... there are actually few men who would not cherish such a woman.  In fact, such a women WOULD in fact ironically end up taking control of the husband, since her requests would end up being received by the husband as if they were commands ... and would be a much more effective way of establishing "control" than the typical disobedience, disrespect, and the nagging.  Husbands resent that nonsense, and push back on it, and in many cases, having to listen to that form of psychological torture is what causes them to lash out themselves.

    In this regard, the men also have to look out for the signs and the red flags.  I believe that the best way to discern this is to watch the interaction between the young lady's parents.  If her mother has had this habit of "wearing the pants" in the family and telling the husband what to do, then the young lady will enter the marriage with precisely that expectation also, that she would run things, and will not have it any other way, nor will it register to her that it's not the right order of things.  Look out for vanity, being high maintenance, self absorption in all its forms, lack of generosity ... and keep an eye on the mother, and how she treats her husband, i.e. her father.  If you see any of those flags, run, don't walk, but run as quickly as possible in the opposite direction.  If, on the other hand, you see a mother who's respectful and obedient to her husband, and then the young lady herself shows signs of self-sacrifice, giving up what she wants to please others, etc. ... she could be an absolute gem.
    People seem to think that women are sunshine and rainbows, and can’t do no wrong. It’s even conditioned in us at a young age, that girls are sweet angelic beings. The number of female acquaintances had in my life who backstabbed me are numerous. Of course men can do the same but they usually behave petty like women and are very insecure. 

    I have also heard many claims of abuse from married women and I used to believe it and feel bad but then I realize that the husband is not there to tell his side. It’s just unfair. And I’ve been there but it’s unproductive and just puts the idea in the woman’s head that her husband is abusive and she’s the victim. Is her side of the street clean? Is her husband being mean because of her behaviour over the years?

    Tyrannical husbands exist but they are a minority but it seems like we hear about them all the time. Besides a tyrannical husband would probably be a “bad boy” type, someone the woman thought she could change. Maybe she was attracted to him because he seemed more masculine, had a good job, assertive, etc. 

    At the end of the day, you chose to marry your husband for a reason and maybe finding the good qualities might change how you view him. 


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    Re: Emotional abuse
    « Reply #20 on: September 29, 2025, 11:11:11 PM »
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  • …At the end of the day, you chose to marry your husband for a reason and maybe finding the good qualities might change how you view him.
    From my bad boy days in college I recall a quote from the secondmost intelligent woman I have ever met. In discussing relationships, she said, "We end up damning men for the qualities that attracted us in the first place."

    "Oh, he's so strong" morphs into "He's controlling." "He's so confident" morphs into "He's so cocky." Etc.

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    Re: Emotional abuse
    « Reply #21 on: September 29, 2025, 11:35:27 PM »
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  • No, it wouldn't. But, that is not the topic of this thread. If you would like to discuss  non-local courting, then start a new thread or contact me directly.
    It seems pretty relevant. How would your list play out if the relationship was long distance?

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    Re: Emotional abuse
    « Reply #22 on: September 30, 2025, 12:00:35 AM »
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  • If you're going to restrict the conversation to some dream world where Trad Catholics can meet potential spouses locally -- it's not going to be a very useful conversation.

    Might as well discuss how we would each spend a billion dollars. It would be about as useful.
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    Re: Emotional abuse
    « Reply #23 on: September 30, 2025, 04:32:32 AM »
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  • It seems pretty relevant. How would your list play out if the relationship was long distance?
    It would be the same. 3 out of 5 in my family had long distant relationships. All of it was relevant and all included interaction with family. Planes, trains, automobiles.... people travel.

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    Re: Emotional abuse
    « Reply #24 on: September 30, 2025, 08:06:09 AM »
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  • This is for parents of daughters:

    In a recent post on divorce someone brought up a situation that seems almost unbelievable.  The question was brought up: why would a woman marry someone like that...did they ignore the red flags? 

    How many of you teach your daughters the red flags?  What do you tell them to look out for? 

    Everyone knows about physical violence.  But hardly anyone discusses emotional or mental abuse.  It is a thing.  I was that woman who posted that situation.  My husband never laid hands on me.  Was I less abused? 

    I don't want this to be a discussion of what happened to me.  I want this to be a discussion of what parents are teaching their daughters to look out for.  Because these men aren't obvious. They are very charming. They reel in everyone--siblings, parents, friends. 

    What would you suggest as red flags in such a man? 
    We teach our older children the red flags and what narcissistic personality disorder is. Boys also have to be aware so as to avoid marrying the wrong woman. Especially we talk to them about people seeming very agreeable and ‘love bombing’ you then showing their true colours later on. That’s why it’s important to spend a lot of time together before deciding to marry. 

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    Re: Emotional abuse
    « Reply #25 on: September 30, 2025, 08:26:39 AM »
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  • We teach our older children the red flags and what narcissistic personality disorder is. Boys also have to be aware so as to avoid marrying the wrong woman. Especially we talk to them about people seeming very agreeable and ‘love bombing’ you then showing their true colours later on. That’s why it’s important to spend a lot of time together before deciding to marry.
    Other personality disorders are also dangerous to Catholic homelife.

    We have already alluded to sociopathic and narcissistic personality disorders.

    Borderline personality disorder also warrants special attention. Often undiagnosed or misdiagnosed, it is likely that BPD has a prevalence of about 6% in the USA population.

    Hysterical personality disorder, obsessive-compulsive personality disorders, and also the affective psychiatric disorders (bipolar, manic, depressive,et al.) and thought disorders (schizophrenia)… similarly dangerous to homelife.



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    « Reply #26 on: September 30, 2025, 08:53:31 AM »
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  • Wow sorry to hear that. My parents got married within 2 months so I don't think 1 is a red flag (personal bias) but those other 5 definitely stand out. Your last comment also shows you willingly ignored it and that you didn't have your parents to guide you.

    I guess at this point you can only carry the Cross, I hope things get better, starving a child is horrific.
    Yes I agree because my sister, who grew up in the same abusive household as me, married 2.5 months after meeting her husband.  They have been together 26 years.  But in my case it was 3 weeks in and he was pushing marriage.  And I mean pushing.

    And to Lads point, yes I thought I could withstand his crudeness the way I took my father's beatings without crying.  I trained myself to not flinch or cry when Dad hit me so as to deny him that pleasure.  I would stare blankly at him.  When I became a teenager, I would attack him back and it helped a bit.  So, this fellow, as I said, seemed manageable.  I never dreamed he would turn his cruelty on our child when he realized he couldn't upset me.  My children are my weak spot.

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    Re: Emotional abuse
    « Reply #27 on: September 30, 2025, 08:58:02 AM »
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  • Yes I agree because my sister, who grew up in the same abusive household as me, married 2.5 months after meeting her husband.  They have been together 26 years.  But in my case it was 3 weeks in and he was pushing marriage.  And I mean pushing.

    And to Lads point, yes I thought I could withstand his crudeness the way I took my father's beatings without crying.  I trained myself to not flinch or cry when Dad hit me so as to deny him that pleasure.  I would stare blankly at him.  When I became a teenager, I would attack him back and it helped a bit.  So, this fellow, as I said, seemed manageable.  I never dreamed he would turn his cruelty on our child when he realized he couldn't upset me.  My children are my weak spot.
    My goodness, you have been through so much.  God bless you.  You’ll be in my prayers.  
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    Re: Emotional abuse
    « Reply #28 on: September 30, 2025, 09:49:26 AM »
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  • Other personality disorders are also dangerous to Catholic homelife.

    We have already alluded to sociopathic and narcissistic personality disorders.

    Borderline personality disorder also warrants special attention. Often undiagnosed or misdiagnosed, it is likely that BPD has a prevalence of about 6% in the USA population.

    Hysterical personality disorder, obsessive-compulsive personality disorders, and also the affective psychiatric disorders (bipolar, manic, depressive,et al.) and thought disorders (schizophrenia)… similarly dangerous to homelife.
    Yes you’re right. Good to be aware. With enough time observing someone these types of disorders will become apparent. Obviously in some cases a person may know they have a problem eg OCD and be trying to recover. That doesn’t automatically make them to be avoided. Depends on the situation.

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    « Reply #29 on: September 30, 2025, 09:52:45 AM »
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  • Yes I agree because my sister, who grew up in the same abusive household as me, married 2.5 months after meeting her husband.  They have been together 26 years.  But in my case it was 3 weeks in and he was pushing marriage.  And I mean pushing.

    And to Lads point, yes I thought I could withstand his crudeness the way I took my father's beatings without crying.  I trained myself to not flinch or cry when Dad hit me so as to deny him that pleasure.  I would stare blankly at him.  When I became a teenager, I would attack him back and it helped a bit.  So, this fellow, as I said, seemed manageable.  I never dreamed he would turn his cruelty on our child when he realized he couldn't upset me.  My children are my weak spot.
    I’m so sorry for what you’ve been through. I think if you’ve grown up in an abusive home, as you did, it may be harder to recognise the red flags in a potential partner. What do you think?