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stop making excuses, stop looking for excuses.  Do what is right, tell it all!!

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Sermon starts at the 40 minute mark(ish) and continues with the priest touching on courtship.
That was a great sermon, thanks for sharing. I wonder if Fr. will get scolded for his words against the Novus Ordo?


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Sermon starts at the 40 minute mark(ish) and continues with the priest touching on courtship.
Interesting what he says about "you've eating your cake". Frankly I would never be happy knowing another man "ate my cake", so yes for a woman being a virgin is so absolutely important it is no wonder that it was always accepted as a necessity before jews and freemasons took over society

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That was a great sermon, thanks for sharing. I wonder if Fr. will get scolded for his words against the Novus Ordo?
The majority of his sermons are like this; old school SSPX. 

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Any man who hates women as much of this fellow does must have ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ tendencies.


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Interesting what he says about "you've eating your cake". Frankly I would never be happy knowing another man "ate my cake", so yes for a woman being a virgin is so absolutely important it is no wonder that it was always accepted as a necessity before jews and freemasons took over society
You continue to brush aside the fact that you took the cake of another man/ate the cake of your future wife.

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Any man who hates women as much of this fellow does must have ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ tendencies.
I haven't seen any hate against women here.
You continue to brush aside the fact that you took the cake of another man/ate the cake of your future wife.
No I've never taken a woman's virginity so you are mistaken.

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Any man who hates women as much of this fellow does must have ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ tendencies.
femcel?


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Any man worth his salt is going to ask or risk being a cuck.

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Why are we trying to reinvent the wheel? Can we just follow catholic history?

There used to be virginity tests for brides before their weddings. This was for obvious reasons. Assurance of paternity, psychological fitness to be a wife, etc... no such thing for men. That's because, while gravely sinful, sɛҳuąƖ activity does not so corrupt the psychology of men as it does women. This is in fact why there is no such thing as male virginity. Male saints are not styled "virgins" in the Church's liturgy, but "confessors."


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Why are we trying to reinvent the wheel? Can we just follow catholic history?

There used to be virginity tests for brides before their weddings. This was for obvious reasons. Assurance of paternity, psychological fitness to be a wife, etc... no such thing for men. That's because, while gravely sinful, sɛҳuąƖ activity does not so corrupt the psychology of men as it does women. This is in fact why there is no such thing as male virginity. Male saints are not styled "virgins" in the Church's liturgy, but "confessors."
You know there are other “things” a woman can do and still be a virgin. 

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Why are we trying to reinvent the wheel? Can we just follow catholic history?

There used to be virginity tests for brides before their weddings. This was for obvious reasons. Assurance of paternity, psychological fitness to be a wife, etc... no such thing for men. That's because, while gravely sinful, sɛҳuąƖ activity does not so corrupt the psychology of men as it does women. This is in fact why there is no such thing as male virginity. Male saints are not styled "virgins" in the Church's liturgy, but "confessors."
That's so crooked.

The word “virgin” comes from Latin virgo, which literally meant “maiden” or “young woman who has not had sex.” The root is specifically gendered female, so it was never naturally used to describe men. There wasn’t an equivalent single word in Latin or Greek that specifically meant “a man who has never had sex” in the same way. There's a title "Widow" for female saints, you simply don't call a man that either, even though holy men in history certainly lived a holy widowed life after their wives passed away (good example St Therese's father).

Male celibate saints are honored for their chastity, self-control, and asceticism without usually the formal “virgin” label. The reason male saints aren’t often officially called “virgin” saints is mostly historical and linguistic tradition, not because men can’t or don’t take vows of virginity.

Also how on earth can you even test a man's virginity? Biologically impossible. To a woman it's not accurate either because lots of things like horse riding and such can ruin the "test". The idea of virginity tests for brides before their weddings in medieval Europe is mostly a myth—at least in the form that it's popularly imagined today. While virginity and chastity were highly valued in certain social and religious contexts during the Middle Ages, especially for noblewomen, systematic or formal "tests" of virginity before marriage were not a widespread or institutionalized practice in medieval Europe.

1. Cultural and Religious Emphasis on Virginity
  • Virginity was especially emphasized for noble or royal women, primarily for political and dynastic reasons (e.g., ensuring legitimate heirs).
  • The Church upheld virginity as an ideal, especially for women entering religious life.
  • For the general population, however, virginity was less stringently monitored, particularly in peasant or working-class communities.
2. No Standardized or Medical "Virginity Tests"
  • There is no consistent evidence of a medical or physical examination of brides to prove virginity before marriage.
  • The hymen, often mistakenly believed to be a "proof" of virginity, was not well understood in medieval medicine. The idea of using it as a test comes much later.
  • The concept of a "test" in the way people imagine today (e.g., invasive exams) is more closely tied to modern myths and colonial or 19th-century practices, not medieval European norms.
3. Wedding Night Rituals Were Sometimes Monitored
  • In some noble courts, it was customary to display bed linens with bloodstains from the wedding night as evidence of consummation and assumed virginity.
  • This was more a social and symbolic ritual than a reliable or scientific test.
  • In certain cultures, especially in the upper classes, attendants or witnesses might even be present outside the room to confirm the marriage had been consummated.
4. Legal and Ecclesiastical Concerns
  • Church courts were more concerned with consent, consummation, and impediments to marriage than virginity itself.
  • If disputes arose—such as accusations of fraud or impotence—then physical examinations might be ordered, but these were rare and typically part of legal proceedings, not pre-wedding rituals.
5. Mythologizing and Misunderstanding
  • Many modern ideas about "virginity testing" stem from Orientalist, colonial, or Victorian-era sources, which projected such practices onto the "backward" past to contrast with their own sense of progress.
  • Popular culture, romanticized medieval fiction, and pseudohistory have exaggerated or distorted these ideas.


My points are:

1. Just because the Church doesn't celebrate/mention males' chastity as much as women's, it doesn't mean it's not an important virtue for men, or you should by any mean think it's less of a sin for men to violate chastity.

2. Answer to the original OP question, rather than asking if it's your "right," how about have some trust in each other, so that by the time you call someone your potential spouse you should know what you both would like to know already.
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That's so crooked.

The word “virgin” comes from Latin virgo, which literally meant “maiden” or “young woman who has not had sex.” The root is specifically gendered female, so it was never naturally used to describe men. There wasn’t an equivalent single word in Latin or Greek that specifically meant “a man who has never had sex” in the same way. There's a title "Widow" for female saints, you simply don't call a man that either, even though holy men in history certainly lived a holy widowed life after their wives passed away (good example St Therese's father).

Male celibate saints are honored for their chastity, self-control, and asceticism without usually the formal “virgin” label. The reason male saints aren’t often officially called “virgin” saints is mostly historical and linguistic tradition, not because men can’t or don’t take vows of virginity.

Also how on earth can you even test a man's virginity? Biologically impossible. To a woman it's not accurate either because lots of things like horse riding and such can ruin the "test". The idea of virginity tests for brides before their weddings in medieval Europe is mostly a myth—at least in the form that it's popularly imagined today. While virginity and chastity were highly valued in certain social and religious contexts during the Middle Ages, especially for noblewomen, systematic or formal "tests" of virginity before marriage were not a widespread or institutionalized practice in medieval Europe.

1. Cultural and Religious Emphasis on Virginity
  • Virginity was especially emphasized for noble or royal women, primarily for political and dynastic reasons (e.g., ensuring legitimate heirs).
  • The Church upheld virginity as an ideal, especially for women entering religious life.
  • For the general population, however, virginity was less stringently monitored, particularly in peasant or working-class communities.
2. No Standardized or Medical "Virginity Tests"
  • There is no consistent evidence of a medical or physical examination of brides to prove virginity before marriage.
  • The hymen, often mistakenly believed to be a "proof" of virginity, was not well understood in medieval medicine. The idea of using it as a test comes much later.
  • The concept of a "test" in the way people imagine today (e.g., invasive exams) is more closely tied to modern myths and colonial or 19th-century practices, not medieval European norms.
3. Wedding Night Rituals Were Sometimes Monitored
  • In some noble courts, it was customary to display bed linens with bloodstains from the wedding night as evidence of consummation and assumed virginity.
  • This was more a social and symbolic ritual than a reliable or scientific test.
  • In certain cultures, especially in the upper classes, attendants or witnesses might even be present outside the room to confirm the marriage had been consummated.
4. Legal and Ecclesiastical Concerns
  • Church courts were more concerned with consent, consummation, and impediments to marriage than virginity itself.
  • If disputes arose—such as accusations of fraud or impotence—then physical examinations might be ordered, but these were rare and typically part of legal proceedings, not pre-wedding rituals.
5. Mythologizing and Misunderstanding
  • Many modern ideas about "virginity testing" stem from Orientalist, colonial, or Victorian-era sources, which projected such practices onto the "backward" past to contrast with their own sense of progress.
  • Popular culture, romanticized medieval fiction, and pseudohistory have exaggerated or distorted these ideas.


My points are:

1. Just because the Church doesn't celebrate/mention males' chastity as much as women's, it doesn't mean it's not an important virtue for men, or you should by any mean think it's less of a sin for men to violate chastity.

2. Answer to the original OP question, rather than asking if it's your "right," how about have some trust in each other, so that by the time you call someone your potential spouse you should know what you both would like to know already.
This read like AI. And I doubt the info you have posted, a woman not a virgin...

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2. Answer to the original OP question, rather than asking if it's your "right," how about have some trust in each other, so that by the time you call someone your potential spouse you should know what you both would like to know already.
Don’t tell someone to have some “trust”. I don’t know if you’re aware of the current state of marriages, it’s very bad. If a woman lies about being a virgin but they listen to your advice to have some “trust” then that just supports the narrative to “believe all women”. Lemme guess you’re still looking for your Prince Charming because you seem bitter and jaded. If this was about doing a virginity test on a man, I bet you wouldn’t say anything.