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  • Pic related is why women are supposed to get married in their teens. Jews ruined everything.
    Apparently the real numbers are much worse, i heard over 80% by 14.

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  • Quote from: Änσnymσus 11/12/2024, 12:13:51 AM
    Half your list is stuff outside your control, like family, having an attractive face (unless you get surgery), intelligence, even health and aging is heavily effected by genetics, some guys go bald in their late teens for instance. Life's quite unfair, some people are simply more blessed by God than others, and the more you are given the more is expected from you.

    And I never for a moment suggested that life WAS fair.
    But you can have a deficit in one area if you're strong in other areas. It's a Total Score game. How people "weigh" the various factors varies a bit by person, which is why there's no "official" scoring system.

    It's like finding a job. Theoretically, any company with an open position (for your career) could hire you. But again there are many factors. Some jobs you have throughout your career were a better fit than others.

    Of course jobs don't last, especially these days. So it's a very imperfect analogy. But you can compare it to selling your house, or finding a job. Because sometimes that glaring "deal breaker" for one couple turns out to be "no big deal" for the next house-shopping couple, or even a "charming feature" for the next.

    So your "total score" will be highest with the couple that WANTED a 13' mountain of dirt in the middle of the property, or a 12' deep pond at the edge of it. Your property is going to fare the best with a person for whom those items are FEATURES and not considered downsides.

    But that's talking about something like height, facial features, etc. -- some things (like having a "past", poor health, poverty, disfigurement) are negatives to almost everyone -- even if they're more or less willing to ignore them.

    Just like in the job hunting world, a software developer in his late 40's is always going to have a somewhat negative score in the "age" category. But like I said, if you find a company that values experience and maturity, you will have a higher score with them and be more likely to get hired, after all the other factors are taken into account as well.
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  • I just heard a story about a teacher who passed around a dish of hard peppermint candies to his class. There was one unwrapped peppermint in the dish.
    Once every student got a piece, the teacher took back the dish and obviously the unwrapped candy remained in the dish.
    The teacher pointed out that those who didn't save themselves for marriage were like the unwrapped candy. No one would choose that on purpose -- unless they had no choice.

    Disappointed that we have 2 (!) morally liberal cowards on CathInfo, who apparently believe in sex before marriage (?)

    Downvoted for the quoted post above? Please explain how a Catholic in good standing could disagree with the quoted post.

    I'm not one to complain about downvotes, especially just 1 or 2 of them. But when I see a poll like "Is Abortion morally OK?" and 2 CathInfo members vote "Yes", it's going to get my attention. Because the ONLY acceptable number is ZERO.

    I was thinking the same thing!  What weirdos downvoted that post?!   



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  • Just a guess but I'm thinking the down thumbs came from a couple women with "a past."

    Why do you assume it would be a woman with "a past"?  Why couldn't it have been a man with a past, who doesn't like hearing that Catholic women don't want a man with "no wrapper"?  



    I suppose it could also be one of those "macho" types where they disagree because they see that the vast majority of women DO want a man with a past and do choose the men with no wrapper. 


    When you say "vast majority", do you mean including all worldlings?  Or the audience here at CathInfo, where I would be surprised if the vast majority of Traditional Catholic women DO want a man with a past and do choose the men with no wrapper.  It's hard for me to imagine truly Catholic women wanting that.  Or, did you mean that the  "macho" types incorrectly assume a Traditional Catholic woman wants a man with a past/no wrapper?  

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  • Disappointed that we have 2 (!) morally liberal cowards on CathInfo, who apparently believe in sex before marriage (?)

    Downvoted for the quoted post above? Please explain how a Catholic in good standing could disagree with the quoted post.

    I'm not one to complain about downvotes, especially just 1 or 2 of them. But when I see a poll like "Is Abortion morally OK?" and 2 CathInfo members vote "Yes", it's going to get my attention. Because the ONLY acceptable number is ZERO.
    I wasn't one of the downvotes, but to be fair Matthew, I don't think the downvotes for that post necessarily equates to morally liberal cowards.  It may just be that they were once more liberal or that they made a mistake in their past and would like to think that they wouldn't be passed over because of that. 

    You probably would agree, but the candy analogy (like so many others) is inadequate because one would hope that when searching for a potential spouse we get to know someone fairly well before making a decision that they are not worth it.  Unless this thread is about asking someone their sɛҳuąƖ past on their first "date".


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  • I wasn't one of the downvotes, but to be fair Matthew, I don't think the downvotes for that post necessarily equates to morally liberal cowards.  It may just be that they were once more liberal or that they made a mistake in their past and would like to think that they wouldn't be passed over because of that. 

    You probably would agree, but the candy analogy (like so many others) is inadequate because one would hope that when searching for a potential spouse we get to know someone fairly well before making a decision that they are not worth it.  Unless this thread is about asking someone their sɛҳuąƖ past on their first "date".
    Honestly a man's virginity is worth next to nothing compared to a woman's. No decent self-respecting male wants to be 2nd to his wife to another man, it's not acceptable. Modern society is heavily stacked against men in favour in women, from the dating market, from the job market, from the schooling opportunities. Pic related.

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  • Honestly a man's virginity is worth next to nothing compared to a woman's. No decent self-respecting male wants to be 2nd to his wife to another man, it's not acceptable. Modern society is heavily stacked against men in favour in women, from the dating market, from the job market, from the schooling opportunities. Pic related.
    Men's self-esteem and confidence are heavily attacked from a young age, through being told they are evil oppressors that need to treat women 'right' (simping) to being rejected for trying to be a good man by women who only want to sleep around with men out of their league. Men also don't have 'support' like women do, they don't talk about their problems/emotions but bottle it up. So if a man can provide for a family, even if he isn't a virgin, he is still in a much better position then most modern men, because most guys can't provide since unless you starting 'grinding' in your teens it's very difficult for a man to succeed in providing in their peak years (20s for youth). Both men and women can easily 'waste' themselves, men by not getting income by wasting their youth, women by wasting their youth whoring themselves. There is a clear difference in how men and women destroy themselves and waste their most valuable years. There are also many men who can provide yet women still don't want them. Even trad girls can have ridiculous romantic fantasies and other unrealistic expectations from Jєωιѕн propaganda, we're not all prince charming, and most guys do not have the confidence to be 'him' due to not receiving love, support, respect and validation from women, simply because they weren't handsome enough, or had self-esteem issues from other things. I am not surprised that users here have mentioned that their are many trad men who incapable, being trad does not make you immune to the issues in the world and larger society. 

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  • but the candy analogy (like so many others) is inadequate

    I would say it's a very good analogy and I myself will keep it in my back pocket, the only difference to be more accurate would be that it's not all the same candy, some are better than others, but the principal still applies, nobody is going to select the unwrapped one if they can get the same thing wrapped... it devalues it... it might be your favourite candy though and you're willing to overlook that it's unwrapped, but if you had a choice nobody would prefer the candy be unwrapped. 

    God Bless


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  • I would say it's a very good analogy and I myself will keep it in my back pocket, the only difference to be more accurate would be that it's not all the same candy, some are better than others, but the principal still applies, nobody is going to select the unwrapped one if they can get the same thing wrapped... it devalues it... it might be your favourite candy though and you're willing to overlook that it's unwrapped, but if you had a choice nobody would prefer the candy be unwrapped.

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  • Why do you assume it would be a woman with "a past"?  Why couldn't it have been a man with a past, who doesn't like hearing that Catholic women don't want a man with "no wrapper"? 



    When you say "vast majority", do you mean including all worldlings?  Or the audience here at CathInfo, where I would be surprised if the vast majority of Traditional Catholic women DO want a man with a past and do choose the men with no wrapper.  It's hard for me to imagine truly Catholic women wanting that.  Or, did you mean that the  "macho" types incorrectly assume a Traditional Catholic woman wants a man with a past/no wrapper? 
    Can a man really be without a wrapper? Women have a hymen men do not. There isn't nothing tangible to prove a man's virginity, some will cope saying a women's hymen doesn't prove Virginty but history disagrees with you.

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  • Line up 100 men and 100 women and the combinations of what people are looking for in a partner will be overwhelming different.   This is why we teach our children to pray for help in finding the right spouse for them.  There are so many stories of people praying a Novena and then finding the person they will marry.

    But also remember that once you find them and get married that working on and with the relationship never ends.
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"


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  • Line up 100 men and 100 women and the combinations of what people are looking for in a partner will be overwhelming different.  This is why we teach our children to pray for help in finding the right spouse for them.  There are so many stories of people praying a Novena and then finding the person they will marry.

    But also remember that once you find them and get married that working on and with the relationship never ends.
    Line up 100 men and 100 women and 80 women will make 20 men their first choice, disrespecting the other 80 men and making them feel unwanted and settled for.:jester:

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  • The things you listed, they have different weights for men and women respectively. ... Also men are expected to have the wealth not women, so wealth in a women has less weight than wealth in a man.

    Still a handsome rich man will be able to get away with much more than someone is is merely above average. ... I think you are severely overestimate what a rich ugly skilled man can get...


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  • Line up 100 men and 100 women and 80 women will make 20 men their first choice, disrespecting the other 80 men and making them feel unwanted and settled for.:jester:
    Maybe my friends were a rare group of women because they were not so superficial.

    I think this immature idea among men, leads women to not want to marry at all.  But what do I know.
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"

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  • You would think he was already rich? Money doesn't make your face more appealing unless you get work done, it's cope. If a women doesn't like me but only is willing to settle because I can provide then the relationship is has a weak foundation and has a risk of adultery if someone handsome comes along and gives her 'feelings'.