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Author Topic: Does a potential spouse have a right to know sɛҳuąƖ history before marriage?  (Read 51648 times)

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It’s better to not marry at all than to marry poorly.
Thats a judgment for a priest and not a woman to make.

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I’ve thought about this before. One should always be open to God’s direction. At the same time we need to set our ideals about our potential marriage partners based on what we understand will most likely lead to a holy marriage. Feelings of romance aside, we’ve got to look at it pragmatically and make our lists of must haves/can’t haves. The Holy Ghost gives us wisdom and other various helps to make good choices for ourselves in every stage of life. 

What’s a girl to do? Set aside her ideals just because a trad guy came along and wanted to marry her? That just doesn’t seem wise to me. If these women are prayerful, chaste, god fearing virgins do they need to sit there and wonder if they blew it because they didn’t detect Gods leading? Or are they being led by God in the ideals that they set? By ideals I’m not taking about money, looks and all that.

I was a young adult convert and entered the Catholic “dating” scene at the age of 25 (I think). It took me a couple years, but I didn’t have to settle on my deal breakers. Looking back I’m sure glad I didn’t! I didn’t marry the first trad that came along and riddle my mind with doubt and anxiety about “what if I screwed up.” I trusted God to bring me a good spouse or be content staying single my whole life.

I’m not saying a man who is not a virgin can’t be a good spouse. I’m sure many of them are! But it was a no for me.

We don’t know anything about these 2 30 year old virgins except for they rejected 2 men for not being virgins. I do think it’s presumptuous to think they are sitting there feeling like they had their chance and blew it. You’d need to know more before saying “enough said” like the end goal is to just be married, nevermind to who.

This right here is why we need to bring back arranged marriage in some capacity and stop letting women decide things for themselves.

To be sure they have free will, and ultimately make the final decision, but their fathers and priests will know better.


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Is that Catholic teaching? The bible does says it's better to marry than to burn with lust.
Its her made up teaching.

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This right here is why we need to bring back arranged marriage in some capacity and stop letting women decide things for themselves.

To be sure they have free will, and ultimately make the final decision, but their fathers and priests will know better.
Seems like she made a good choice to me.  

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Not to mention the irony that you are disappointed a virgin lady would prefer not to marry a non-virgin man when you have the same preference.  You regret having fornicated before marriage and that should be enough, and yet you refuse to give the same allowance to your prospective spouse.  That’s fine, you can and should have your preferences, but don’t get upset about being on the other side of the fence.


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I know a few girls from one large trad family. They made it a dealbreaker for two guys that were trying to date them.
The girls are now in their thirties and still single.
Enough said.

I’m sure more men are virgins than woman. It shouldn’t be that hard to find a virgin man. 

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Not to mention the irony that you are disappointed a virgin lady would prefer not to marry a non-virgin man when you have the same preference.  You regret having fornicated before marriage and that should be enough, and yet you refuse to give the same allowance to your prospective spouse.  That’s fine, you can and should have your preferences, but don’t get upset about being on the other side of the fence.
So there is obviously disappointment for any man. But there is something else which your female brain is not good at understanding, and this is the common good question. In history, it has always been more more important that a woman be a virgin. Marriage is something which serves more than a womans preference. It is for the common good of the Church and society. So its a question of WHATS BEST.

So a man can be UNJUSTLY let down by women being unrealistic in her expectations. And justly irritated. What he is irritated at is more that there is no man guiding the woman in her stupidity. Not that she is stupid, because we as men kind of expect woment to be stupid and childish.

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I’m sure more men are virgins than woman. It shouldn’t be that hard to find a virgin man.
There is some truth that men more men are virgins these days, however those same men are committing many unnatural sins in private, so it kind of is irrelevant. and cancels itself out.


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It’s her made up teaching.


I have never seen a specific church teaching that says one is to marry poorly instead of not marrying at all. Have you?
Not so ironically I agree with you a woman needs to be under the council of her father or priest. My dad is not Catholic, and these are matters I DID talk about with to my spiritual director at the time. He is the one who told me I’m better off to be single if I can’t marry well. I didn’t get the impression it was his blanket advice, but advice based on his knowledge of me. And that’s why I say I don’t think it’s a deal breaker for most women, just some.

Tons of people read this board, and it would be a shame for a young person to come in here and get the impression a man’s virginity isn’t important, or shouldn’t be considered when looking for a spouse.

With all that said, I’m now behind on dishes so it’s time to exit this topic. I wish you well in your pursuit of a spouse (if you are unmarried).

PS the posts in the last couple pages siding with my position that are anonymous aren’t me. ;)

Religion clean and undefiled before God and the Father, is this: to visit the fatherless and widows in their tribulation: and to keep one's self unspotted from this world.
~James 1:27

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I have never seen a specific church teaching that says one is to marry poorly instead of not marrying at all. Have you?
Not so ironically I agree with you a woman needs to be under the council of her father or priest. My dad is not Catholic, and these are matters I DID talk about with to my spiritual director at the time. He is the one who told me I’m better off to be single if I can’t marry well. I didn’t get the impression it was his blanket advice, but advice based on his knowledge of me. And that’s why I say I don’t think it’s a deal breaker for most women, just some.

Tons of people read this board, and it would be a shame for a young person to come in here and get the impression a man’s virginity isn’t important, or shouldn’t be considered when looking for a spouse.

With all that said, I’m now behind on dishes so it’s time to exit this topic. I wish you well in your pursuit of a spouse (if you are unmarried).

PS the posts in the last couple pages siding with my position that are anonymous aren’t me. ;)

The priest may have been trying to soften his blows to you when he said that.

There are some women who should not marry it is true. And because men have more options and can wait longer, its better sometimes for them to wait. Find someone more stable.

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Finding someone who isn't stable is totally not prudent in these times. When I say stable, I mean, mature, stable, frugal with money, no matter how much he has. You can go broke in a matter of seconds if you're not smart.


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Instablity in women is more common these days. men are by nature stable creatures.
I was referring to stability in women. 

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Perhaps the time has come for much more parental involvement in the courting and marriage process.
The c-sickness scam has adversely affected the mental and social health of society. Younger Gen Z’s are suffering not from serial concubinage and too much sex on the brain, but the opposite. Years of lockdowns have left older teens and young adults with “failure to launch” syndrome.  They don’t know how to socialize without phones. They aren’t leaving the nest, convinced they cannot ever find remunerative work, establish their own home much less own one, they cannot afford to marry, or to support a spouse and raise children. 
Catholic parents and priests should step in and assist the young in becoming adults. 
I’m not suggesting arranged marriages as in, “You WILL marry this person or you’re out of the will,” type of arrangements, rather, parents and priests should play a more significant role in facilitating choosing career paths and healthy relationships leading to good marriages and Godly offspring, not just focusing on religious vocations alone. A healthy society needs both. 

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There is some truth that men more men are virgins these days, however those same men are committing many unnatural sins in private, so it kind of is irrelevant. and cancels itself out.
I don't know why you assume women can't do the same thing. 

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I don't know why you assume women can't do the same thing.
Why are you assuming that I am assuming ?