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Dimonds not returning the money of a former member who left
« on: September 22, 2022, 11:50:20 PM »
 From the letter of Mr. Hoyle to the followers of the Dimonds: "Frederick's policy that entrants to MHFM must transfer their assets to the “monastery” is in flagrant
violation of the 1917 Code of Canon Law, which has provisions to safeguard the property of entrants into a religious community" https://tradcath.proboards.com/thread/2165/letter-followers-dimond-bros-hoyle 

Canon 568

In the course of the novitiate, if a novice renounces his benefices or goods in any manner or encuмbers [them], the renunciation or obligation is not only illicit, but by the law it is invalid.


Canon 570

Whatever the aspirant brought and has not consumed by use shall be restored to him if he leaves the religious [institute] without having given profession.

I guess when Mr. Hoyle left he has already made his profession: "there was no novitiate at all at MHFM, in the sense of a period of instruction and
spiritual formation in preparation for life as a consecrated religious. There was no program of studies;
there was no change in my daily routine when I became a novice or when I became a professed monk."

So technically Canon 570 couldn't apply since he made his profession, but since his handing over all his money happened while still a postulate, it was invalid anyway, and he had the right to take back his money that wasn't already spent, since they had no right to ask him to hand over all his money when he was still a postulate.


Related source treating the issue: http://www.23rdstreet.com/mhfm/eric_hoyle.aspx


















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Re: Dimonds not returning the money of a former member who left
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2022, 05:41:10 AM »
Dimond slanderers are out in full force again.  And they hide like cockroaches in the Anon forum.  As I understood it, Hoyle gave them the money before he formally became a novice.  I love how it’s now Mr. Hoyle ... even though he denounced MHFM for being too liberal.  You can’t ungive money and pretend it’s yours after you gave it away freely.


Re: Dimonds not returning the money of a former member who left
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2022, 03:42:25 PM »
That website supports the testimonies of both Richard Ibranyi (a nutcase) and some ex-MHFM supporter who apostatized to Eastern "Orthodoxy".

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Re: Dimonds not returning the money of a former member who left
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2022, 05:51:38 PM »
Interesting controversy. I just had to look. We live in a world of scandal and publicity and this one's not without its level of interest. The Dimonds are hard hitters and like to play hardball. They can get Omaha steaks, a new grill, some beer and improve the grounds and properties, etc. Maybe play some Bitcoin for fortunate blessings or luck. Everybody has to endeavor to persevere.


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Re: Dimonds not returning the money of a former member who left
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2022, 05:53:43 PM »
From the letter of Mr. Hoyle to the followers of the Dimonds: "Frederick's policy that entrants to MHFM must transfer their assets to the “monastery” is in flagrant
violation of the 1917 Code of Canon Law, which has provisions to safeguard the property of entrants into a religious community" https://tradcath.proboards.com/thread/2165/letter-followers-dimond-bros-hoyle

Canon 568

In the course of the novitiate, if a novice renounces his benefices or goods in any manner or encuмbers [them], the renunciation or obligation is not only illicit, but by the law it is invalid.


Canon 570

Whatever the aspirant brought and has not consumed by use shall be restored to him if he leaves the religious [institute] without having given profession.

I guess when Mr. Hoyle left he has already made his profession: "there was no novitiate at all at MHFM, in the sense of a period of instruction and
spiritual formation in preparation for life as a consecrated religious. There was no program of studies;
there was no change in my daily routine when I became a novice or when I became a professed monk."

So technically Canon 570 couldn't apply since he made his profession, but since his handing over all his money happened while still a postulate, it was invalid anyway, and he had the right to take back his money that wasn't already spent, since they had no right to ask him to hand over all his money when he was still a postulate.


Related source treating the issue: http://www.23rdstreet.com/mhfm/eric_hoyle.aspx
Pfeiffer tried to do the same to the ilk at his compound.