Send CathInfo's owner Matthew a gift from his Amazon wish list:
https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/25M2B8RERL1UO

Author Topic: Detraction of Parents  (Read 3251 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Änσnymσus

  • Guest
Re: Detraction of Parents
« Reply #15 on: December 24, 2022, 09:48:21 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • I know you didn't ask for it, but I'll offer some advice, if I may.

    Based on what you say, I think that it is reasonable to imagine that you grew up in an abusive enviroment. Your parents probably have treated you as an incompetent and lesser person, when you know that you are not. They have manipulated you to suit their needs and desires.

    I would advise against going back to live with them. You could give them some money to help with rent, although you are not obliged to do that, unless they are very poor or in bad health.

    When people ask, you can always give evasive answers. You could simply say that you think it is better if you live apart. You can say that you were not getting along very well, without giving any details, or you can simply pretend that you don't understand the question and talk about something else. Evasive answers are not sinful, and are often our only possible answers, if we don't want to sin by lying.

    If they have been abusive and manipulative all your life, chances are they won't change now. Even if you try to set boundaries, they will probably respond with even more manipulation and aggression.

    If you live near them, you could spend an hour or two with them every fortnight, if you can handle it. If not, go once a month and stay one hour. If you live far from them, you may go once a year or every six months and spend a day or two. You might even stay in a hotel in these occasions.

    I believe that the key is to try to stay on friendly terms and visit them once in a while, as long as it is something that you can handle and that won't be a great harm to you. Only you know how much is too much. Cutting them off completely would be the last option.

    I believe that Ladislaus gave a very balanced opinion about detraction. I have nothing to add.

    I don't think that cutting them off would be a sin, if they are absolutely unbearable.

    Even if you don't have a priest in whom you trust completely, talk about it with any reasonably good traditional priest during confession. You are not obliged to do what he says, but it might be good for you to listen to advice from a qualified person. You can do this with different priests. Their advices might be complementary to each other.
    This is very thoughtful and helpful, thanks a lot. And you described my situation even better than I did. 
    I really want to avoid living with my parent again but I don't know how I can refuse, since I wasn't even asked about my opinion on it and I am just expected to do whatever they want. It was always like that growing up.

    Änσnymσus

    • Guest
    Re: Detraction of Parents
    « Reply #16 on: December 24, 2022, 10:07:11 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • First of all, are you being objective?  emotional?  Is the so called abuse because of their frustration with your behaviour?  The shaming in front of other people  ... were you actually guilty of what you were being accused?

    70-80 years ago parents followed "don't spare the rod" .  This extended to verbal also (but that usually only meant once or twice) but after that a stern look was usually sufficient.

    Do you think your parents are behaving a certain way just to be mean?  That's an important question.

    If you're in your mid 20's, you just came out of the trying teens.  You may think you were an angel but how did you respond to their "abuse"...were you silent and submissive or did you respond in kind?  Did you rebel? 

    Today the word "abuse" is thrown around for every little thing that hurts our little feelings.

    I'm not trying to judge you, but you should judge yourself.  You may be justified in your feelings on all counts, some counts, or no counts.  Only you can decide.

    To be truly Catholic, follow the example of the saints (and there are many).  When falsely accused they kept silent and let their behaviour speak for itself. (and they probably offered it up).

    You may feel you have the "right"  to clear your name (as Lad says) but is it truly going to resolve the situation or make it worse?
    I don't know how I should respond to this. I don't want to explain it in details to a complete stranger because I don't like getting pitied by others. But surely you can expect everyone to behave like a saint, as I am trying to be also, but as for what I am now I don't think I have a saintly enough soul to bear the all these "little things" without getting into severe depression and wish I was never born. And surely I could be accused of things I was guilty of, just like most mockings are based on truths but I think it doesn't justify the behaviour of mocking at one's own children publicly like "wow everyone look at her she's such a fat pig".


    Offline Giovanni Berto

    • Full Member
    • ***
    • Posts: 1325
    • Reputation: +1071/-81
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Detraction of Parents
    « Reply #17 on: December 26, 2022, 07:23:58 AM »
  • Thanks!1
  • No Thanks!0
  • This is very thoughtful and helpful, thanks a lot. And you described my situation even better than I did.
    I really want to avoid living with my parent again but I don't know how I can refuse, since I wasn't even asked about my opinion on it and I am just expected to do whatever they want. It was always like that growing up.
    You are welcome.

    Allow me to express my thoughts on your situation once again, and please consult some good priests or some wise friends before taking your decision.

    In my opinion, you should not go back to living with your parents, or with just one of them.

    Somehow, you were able to move out once, and, from what I can infer, you are financially independent from them. If you move back with them, you will be under their "territorial dominion" once again, since "my house, my rules". It will ruin your mental heath.

    If now you sometimes feel like you want to die, once you go back to living with them, you will feel like you want to die a thousand times a day.

    Many people would give anything to be in their 20s again and be able to make better life choices. At your age, you can discern a religious vocation, you can discern a married life vocation. You can do anything. You should value this, and not risk going really down into depression by going back to a situation which you have already freed yourself from.

    If you already pray five rosary mysteries a day, start praying ten. If you already pray ten, start praying all fifteen. Our Lady will not abandon you.



    Änσnymσus

    • Guest
    Re: Detraction of Parents
    « Reply #18 on: January 01, 2023, 01:12:01 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • You are welcome.

    Allow me to express my thoughts on your situation once again, and please consult some good priests or some wise friends before taking your decision.

    In my opinion, you should not go back to living with your parents, or with just one of them.

    Somehow, you were able to move out once, and, from what I can infer, you are financially independent from them. If you move back with them, you will be under their "territorial dominion" once again, since "my house, my rules". It will ruin your mental heath.

    If now you sometimes feel like you want to die, once you go back to living with them, you will feel like you want to die a thousand times a day.

    Many people would give anything to be in their 20s again and be able to make better life choices. At your age, you can discern a religious vocation, you can discern a married life vocation. You can do anything. You should value this, and not risk going really down into depression by going back to a situation which you have already freed yourself from.

    If you already pray five rosary mysteries a day, start praying ten. If you already pray ten, start praying all fifteen. Our Lady will not abandon you.
    I guess my situation is a bit different. I'll admit it's actually one of my parents and she is not working nor actively seeking work and just plans to live off her savings and me for the rest of her life. That's why it's actually not me moving "back" since I barely had a place called home to start with when I moved out, I didn't have a bedroom of my own, I slept on the couch in the living room. Now this parent specifically is living in a relative's house and had already planned to move in to MY PLACE without ever discussing about with me and most likely will just drive directly to me a show up at my door at some point. I don't know what reason or excuse I can tell this parent to prevent this. I already told her this is just a temporary rental and I may move somewhere else very soon and it'll be inconvenient. But she insists she'll just follow me and move in wherever I move to EVEN IF I GET MARRIED. My opinion was not even asked, as I mentioned, and I don't see how I can not let her in when she just shows up at my door. 

    Offline Nadir

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 11934
    • Reputation: +7292/-500
    • Gender: Female
    Re: Detraction of Parents
    « Reply #19 on: January 01, 2023, 06:03:38 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Prayers for you, anonymous.
    After reading your latest post I can say that you must just live in the present moment. Trust that with God’s help you will get on top of this sticky situation. Put it all in God’s hands and trust in Him.
    :pray::pray::pray:
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

    +RIP 2024


    Änσnymσus

    • Guest
    Re: Detraction of Parents
    « Reply #20 on: January 01, 2023, 06:20:55 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  •  Bad parents are a hard cross. I will pray for you. 

    Änσnymσus

    • Guest
    Re: Detraction of Parents
    « Reply #21 on: January 01, 2023, 11:49:57 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Do your parents go to church?

    Änσnymσus

    • Guest
    Re: Detraction of Parents
    « Reply #22 on: January 01, 2023, 11:53:33 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • I have family problems too.  

    I know scripture says when you get married leave your parents.  You might want to remind her of that.  

    Also, scripture says that your mother needs to work 6 days a week and go to church on Sundays (rest too). Exodus. 


    Änσnymσus

    • Guest
    Re: Detraction of Parents
    « Reply #23 on: January 01, 2023, 12:06:07 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • I understand what you say about detraction.   I already made that mistake yesterday with my uncle. He probably went back and told them what I said.  I was dumb.  He isn’t going to be peace keeper and bring peace the family.  I should never had said anything to him because he has zero religion.  

     I did go to confession for that. Detraction.  

     To honor your mother and father is one thing but when they are lying abusive narcissists,  don’t argue with them remain calm and silent.    
    Avoid them.  Don’t holler back to them when they try to provoke you.  Get ready to move and block them from your phone.   They are most likely needing an exorcism.   

    Stay away from parents, friends and neighbors who aren’t in a state of grace.  Don’t hang out with liars, adulterers, fornicators etc.  choose your friends wisely.   Choose your husband wisely too.  




    Änσnymσus

    • Guest
    Re: Detraction of Parents
    « Reply #24 on: January 01, 2023, 12:08:52 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • I guess my situation is a bit different. I'll admit it's actually one of my parents and she is not working nor actively seeking work and just plans to live off her savings and me for the rest of her life. That's why it's actually not me moving "back" since I barely had a place called home to start with when I moved out, I didn't have a bedroom of my own, I slept on the couch in the living room. Now this parent specifically is living in a relative's house and had already planned to move in to MY PLACE without ever discussing about with me and most likely will just drive directly to me a show up at my door at some point. I don't know what reason or excuse I can tell this parent to prevent this. I already told her this is just a temporary rental and I may move somewhere else very soon and it'll be inconvenient. But she insists she'll just follow me and move in wherever I move to EVEN IF I GET MARRIED. My opinion was not even asked, as I mentioned, and I don't see how I can not let her in when she just shows up at my door.

    Here's something you can try. If you think your mom is going to show up and want to stay, make sure that there is no comfortable sleeping place in your home or apartment. Only a few chairs. You may have to sleep on the floor for awhile, but so will she. Just live like the saints who had very little in the way of creature comforts. She may decide that she doesn't want to live that way - most people don't. 

    Änσnymσus

    • Guest
    Re: Detraction of Parents
    « Reply #25 on: January 01, 2023, 12:10:18 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • You do not have to put up with verbal abuse from parents, even if some here think that you do.
    Amen.  


    Änσnymσus

    • Guest
    Re: Detraction of Parents
    « Reply #26 on: January 01, 2023, 12:15:22 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Here's something you can try. If you think your mom is going to show up and want to stay, make sure that there is no comfortable sleeping place in your home or apartment. Only a few chairs. You may have to sleep on the floor for awhile, but so will she. Just live like the saints who had very little in the way of creature comforts. She may decide that she doesn't want to live that way - most people don't.
    Nope. Bad idea.  Mom sounds manipulative.  Mom will use her savings to buy a bed. Why would anyone want an abusive unholy person into their home to bring in demons?  





    Änσnymσus

    • Guest
    Re: Detraction of Parents
    « Reply #27 on: January 01, 2023, 12:17:05 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Jesus told many to leave friends, family relatives to follow Him.  

    Änσnymσus

    • Guest
    Re: Detraction of Parents
    « Reply #28 on: January 01, 2023, 12:18:36 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Nope. Bad idea.  Mom sounds manipulative.  Mom will use her savings to buy a bed. Why would anyone want an abusive unholy person into their home to bring in demons? 

    Another alternative would be to move far, far away. Across the country. That's what I would do. 

    Änσnymσus

    • Guest
    Re: Detraction of Parents
    « Reply #29 on: January 01, 2023, 12:25:37 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • From my personal experience:

    Experienced all 4 types of abuse as a kid.  I became a Christian as an adult so didn't know what detraction was (thanks Ignis Ardens).  When my children reached the age of reason I had to reveal some of my parents abuse of me so that they could understand my perspective and why I had nothing to do with them.  My father passed at the time I became a traditional Catholic, but Mom lived for another decade.  In that time, she mocked my faith (she was not Catholic), made blasphemous statements about the Eucharist, and openly spoke of New Age and occultism TO MY CHILDREN.  I finally went no contact and 5 priests all gave the same instruction--have nothing to do with her unless she needed financial or physical support.  I had no communication with her but the last year of her life I began sending her money.  She died without ever making amends or even telling me she was ill.  But she cashed my checks.  :jester:
    My parents thinks we should financially support my divorced sister who cheated on her husband. She is mean an nasty liberal.   I have tried to help her and them spiritually and financially but they won’t listen.   It’s long over due for me to stop enabling them and have little contact with them.  I remember them saying that they needed money badly.  Always crying poor.  We gave money and months later they were at Disney world on my birthday without us. 

    nope. I’m going to pray and  Fast and distance myself of unholy family and friends too.