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"Are we just supposed to passively wait another 70 years?"

Bingo! You betcha. Everything else has been tried.

...Yes, even Bp. Roy's idea. Several groups got together (as best they could -- Trads could never get along) and attempted to elect a Pope to bring an end to the Crisis in the Church. We have had several Trad anti-Popes over the past 56 years. The young will have to Google or ask on CathInfo for the names, since it was all before their time. But it doesn't change the fact that we've been there, done that, got the T-shirt.

Oh, but they didn't have a website.

Hey, patiently waiting and trusting in God to untangle a supernatural mystery puzzle is not exactly crazy talk. The various groups being invited to this meeting -- not a single one of them can give you an explanation of what happened with the Crisis in the Church, the exact status of the Pope, or how the Crisis will be fixed with anything approaching certainty, authority, or perfection.

Oh, there are PLENTY of opinions, mostly strong ones. But every last position has an achilles heel or two, that people accept because it's the "least bad option" to them. But none of the options are perfect. If you don't understand (or accept) that, then your understanding of the Crisis in the Church is imperfect at best.

Is it logical to believe that man could solve a problem he didn't cause? Was the Crisis in the Church/Modernism a human screw-up that man by his own powers could rectify? I don't think so. Is the Church a human institution? No.

God struck the Church with this Chastisement, and we have no other choice but to patiently await His mercy in ending the punishment.
He was merciful in leaving us all lifeboats, so EVERY MAN OF GOOD WILL could reasonably find one if they wanted to. He is Merciful as well as Just.
But this Crisis is a chastisement, there is no doubt about that. Like World War 1 or 2 in the spiritual order.

At the time of this post there are 10 Bishops, 45 Priests, 66 Religious, and 1591 Laity

Yeah -- a bunch of Sedes who *mostly* agree with each other. But there is plenty of disagreement even among them!

How about we talk about the rest of the bishops, priests, religious, and faithful who think the idea is bat-**** crazy.

And let's be real -- that number (who think it's crazy) is about 95% of the Trad world, probably higher, especially depending on who you consider "Trad".

As for "theologians" -- don't make me laugh. Several CI members over the years have told us about how ridiculously low the academic standards are in the past 60 years. Short version: the average 5th year seminarian in 1900 was objectively better educated than virtually all Trad priests and bishops alive today.

A man entering the Clerical state used to BEGIN with complete fluency in Latin and Greek and go from there. He would learn several ancient tongues to study Scripture.

Speaking of which, there's the urban legend that the Cure of Ars was slow, below average IQ, etc. You should see his library in France! He read plenty of books, so he couldn't have been too stupid. Especially not by modern standards! My (French) spiritual director clued me in. Just goes to show how times have changed.

Plus, why don't we know the names of the 10 bishops and the tens of priests? It seems that the only other known member of this group is Bp. da Silva, which just kind of makes the thing sound even more fishy. Why not publicly associate yourself with such a great idea? Why hide your support?

Good point -- and a HUGE red flag. If those 10 names won't even come forward, they might as well not exist.

Matthew