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  • This is my view of the matter as well. Beyond that, it's difficult to speculate.
    I posted the above quote. I forgot to check the "not anonymous" box. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

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  • Vegas Shooting: Real vs. Fake


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    Vegas shooting: real vs. fake
     
    By Jon Rappoport
     
    These are a few observations leading to a hypothesis.
     
    First, there is a video, taken at ground level, of a man going from victim to victim lying on the ground at the concert. He is checking their pulses, asking if they're all right, calling for medical help. Notice the color of the blood on the ground and on the victims. It is a quite bright red. Would real bloodstains on the ground be that color, or would they be darker?
    https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=deb_1507066797
     
    Next, there is the matter of how Stephen Paddock, the accused shooter, brought 23 weapons and ammo into the Mandalay Hotel and up to his suite.
     
    He was a well-known high-stakes gambler. Hotel personnel surely knew him. They knew he lived in the Vegas area. Yet there he is with a number of suitcases---or over the course of a few days, he appears in the lobby with another suitcase or two each time.
     
    These hotels are security-conscious to the max. No suspicion was aroused? And Paddock risked exposure to take weapons he would never use up to his suite?
     
    Did Paddock bring in the weapons through another hotel entrance with the help of staff? Was this part of the operation an inside job?
     
    Did he actually bring in all these weapons? Or was his hotel suite staged as a prop by others? Was it set up as a showcase for gun-control advocates who, after the fact, would push for new restrictive laws?
     
    The photos of the hotel suite---when were they taken? In the immediate aftermath of the shooting? Where are the hundreds or thousands of shell casings that would have been ejected from the weapon(s)? The photos of the floor show very little brass. My understanding is these casings would have been quite hot. Where are all the burn marks on the carpet and furniture and walls?  
     
    This whole "hotel suite" scenario is very murky and needs much more investigation.
     
    There are cell-phone videos taken at ground level at the concert, while you can hear automatic gunfire. A reader brings up an interesting point. Many of these shots would miss human targets. Instead, they would hit solid objects and either remain embedded or bounce. Where are the loud sounds, on the videos, of ricochets---not just a few sounds, but many.
     
    Now here is a hypothesis. Obviously, it applies to more than just the Vegas shooting. In SOME of these events, we see a MIX of fake and real happenings. There are real victims and fake victims. This confusion and conflation of the fake and the real stimulate different and opposing lines of independent investigation.
     
    Some say all the victims are fake. Others say all the victims are real. Both viewpoints tend to generalize from a few sets of facts.
     
    The result? This is perfect for those who are actually behind the operation in the shadows, who want to engender false trails and dead ends and "unsolvable" anomalies.
     
    And conflict among independent researchers who, after all, are the only real threat to the party line.
     
    "Look, here is a group of obvious crisis actors. They're fakes. Therefore, the whole event is a fake."
     
    "Here are real victims. Therefore, the whole event is real. There was nothing fake about it."
     
    Then, on top of this, the mainstream press, in its usual fashion, cherry picks the most far-out "conspiracy theories," presents them, and says: "Look how ridiculous ALL these people are who question the official investigation." Another generalization. A way to discredit all independent researchers.
     
    When you think about it, the hypothesis I'm presenting is not strange at all. What do major media news broadcasts do? They mix real facts and fake facts. This is SOP. They mix and stir and derive bizarre conclusions that mislead the public.
     
    "Real or fake" is not always the correct formulation, although that is what many people want to decide. "It must be black or white, yes or no, this or that." We're looking at a trap, we're looking at many minds disposed to function in this fashion.
     
    In certain cases, it can be "real and fake."
     
    And when it is, and when it's intentional, it confuses people and they throw up their hands and walk away.
     
    Which is the desired effect.
     
    "Was the whole thing real or fake? I have to know."
     
    It was both.

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  • If any of you took the time to watch the video above, his brother answered the questions here.

    He was well known at the casinos in Vegas, they loved him, he was a big tipper and according to his brother, he never carried anything, he would give the bell boys $100.00 bill to carry up his stuff.  Little by little, it was brought up, that is not a mystery.

    According to his brother in the above video, he said his brother was not one to need help, he did it all alone.  The family doesn't know why he did this evil deed, and the only reason they can fathom was if they found a brain tumor. 

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  • Vegas Shooting: Real vs. Fake


    (To read about Jon's mega-collection, The Matrix Revealed, click here.)
    Vegas shooting: real vs. fake
     
    By Jon Rappoport
     
    These are a few observations leading to a hypothesis.
     
    First, there is a video, taken at ground level, of a man going from victim to victim lying on the ground at the concert. He is checking their pulses, asking if they're all right, calling for medical help. Notice the color of the blood on the ground and on the victims. It is a quite bright red. Would real bloodstains on the ground be that color, or would they be darker?
    https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=deb_1507066797
     
    Next, there is the matter of how Stephen Paddock, the accused shooter, brought 23 weapons and ammo into the Mandalay Hotel and up to his suite.
     
    He was a well-known high-stakes gambler. Hotel personnel surely knew him. They knew he lived in the Vegas area. Yet there he is with a number of suitcases---or over the course of a few days, he appears in the lobby with another suitcase or two each time.
     
    These hotels are security-conscious to the max. No suspicion was aroused? And Paddock risked exposure to take weapons he would never use up to his suite?
     
    Did Paddock bring in the weapons through another hotel entrance with the help of staff? Was this part of the operation an inside job?
     
    Did he actually bring in all these weapons? Or was his hotel suite staged as a prop by others? Was it set up as a showcase for gun-control advocates who, after the fact, would push for new restrictive laws?
     
    The photos of the hotel suite---when were they taken? In the immediate aftermath of the shooting? Where are the hundreds or thousands of shell casings that would have been ejected from the weapon(s)? The photos of the floor show very little brass. My understanding is these casings would have been quite hot. Where are all the burn marks on the carpet and furniture and walls?  
     
    This whole "hotel suite" scenario is very murky and needs much more investigation.
     
    There are cell-phone videos taken at ground level at the concert, while you can hear automatic gunfire. A reader brings up an interesting point. Many of these shots would miss human targets. Instead, they would hit solid objects and either remain embedded or bounce. Where are the loud sounds, on the videos, of ricochets---not just a few sounds, but many.
     
    Now here is a hypothesis. Obviously, it applies to more than just the Vegas shooting. In SOME of these events, we see a MIX of fake and real happenings. There are real victims and fake victims. This confusion and conflation of the fake and the real stimulate different and opposing lines of independent investigation.
     
    Some say all the victims are fake. Others say all the victims are real. Both viewpoints tend to generalize from a few sets of facts.
     
    The result? This is perfect for those who are actually behind the operation in the shadows, who want to engender false trails and dead ends and "unsolvable" anomalies.
     
    And conflict among independent researchers who, after all, are the only real threat to the party line.
     
    "Look, here is a group of obvious crisis actors. They're fakes. Therefore, the whole event is a fake."
     
    "Here are real victims. Therefore, the whole event is real. There was nothing fake about it."
     
    Then, on top of this, the mainstream press, in its usual fashion, cherry picks the most far-out "conspiracy theories," presents them, and says: "Look how ridiculous ALL these people are who question the official investigation." Another generalization. A way to discredit all independent researchers.
     
    When you think about it, the hypothesis I'm presenting is not strange at all. What do major media news broadcasts do? They mix real facts and fake facts. This is SOP. They mix and stir and derive bizarre conclusions that mislead the public.
     
    "Real or fake" is not always the correct formulation, although that is what many people want to decide. "It must be black or white, yes or no, this or that." We're looking at a trap, we're looking at many minds disposed to function in this fashion.
     
    In certain cases, it can be "real and fake."
     
    And when it is, and when it's intentional, it confuses people and they throw up their hands and walk away.
     
    Which is the desired effect.
     
    "Was the whole thing real or fake? I have to know."
     
    It was both.

    nomorefakenews.com
    I don't see how there could be fake victims at the arena where the shooting occurred. That would mean that the local law enforcement as well as the local first responders would be "in on it." I can readily believe that there would be FBI forces that would fake an incident like this, but for the conspiracy to include those on a local level, that would be difficult. 

    The security in the local casino hotels aren't on the lookout for those who may be bringing in large bags of weapons. They are mostly concerned with those gamblers who will be trying to cheat the gambling system. 

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  • I don't see how there could be fake victims at the arena where the shooting occurred. That would mean that the local law enforcement as well as the local first responders would be "in on it." I can readily believe that there would be FBI forces that would fake an incident like this, but for the conspiracy to include those on a local level, that would be difficult.

    The security in the local casino hotels aren't on the lookout for those who may be bringing in large bags of weapons. They are mostly concerned with those gamblers who will be trying to cheat the gambling system.
    Yes, I agree, why is it some just want to believe this is a something that it is not?


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  • Yes, I agree, why is it some just want to believe this is a something that it is not?

    I think that the reason is that we are so distrustful of the government. For good reason. The 9/11 attacks are a good example of why we shouldn't trust the government. However, a shooting on this large a scale would be difficult to fake.

    I think that the Sandyhook shootings were probably fake (though I could be wrong), but that was on a small local level that could be controlled. 

    My husband and I travel to Las Vegas once a year to visit my elderly aunt and uncle, who have no family nearby at all. My husband insists on staying at hotels on the strip, since he's a builder and likes all of the wild architecture there. I have tried to talk him out of staying on the strip, but to no avail. I am familiar with the area where the shooting occurred, and even once attended the Novus Ordo church for Mass on Sunday, located right next door to the arena where the shooting occurred. Now I attend the local SSPX chapel in Las Vegas, when visiting. 

    It's really weird to see a shooting take place in an area that I'm familiar with. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

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  • I think that the reason is that we are so distrustful of the government. For good reason. The 9/11 attacks are a good example of why we shouldn't trust the government. However, a shooting on this large a scale would be difficult to fake.

    I think that the Sandyhook shootings were probably fake (though I could be wrong), but that was on a small local level that could be controlled.

    My husband and I travel to Las Vegas once a year to visit my elderly aunt and uncle, who have no family nearby at all. My husband insists on staying at hotels on the strip, since he's a builder and likes all of the wild architecture there. I have tried to talk him out of staying on the strip, but to no avail. I am familiar with the area where the shooting occurred, and even once attended the Novus Ordo church for Mass on Sunday, located right next door to the arena where the shooting occurred. Now I attend the local SSPX chapel in Las Vegas, when visiting.

    It's really weird to see a shooting take place in an area that I'm familiar with.
    Once we doubt those, we start to doubt any events. Did Christ rise from the Dead? Did His Passion happen? Eventually, it will lead to a point where instead of saying "Christ is God", we say that he was just a man who did nothing and was not God.

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  • fαℓѕє fℓαgs are trying to (with evil) shape our society. Usually paid for by George Soros and the like. But it is a dangerous game, and sometimes
    people get injured. In the Las Vegas incident I think it was pure "Show Time" and I don't think any one was hurt. Sept.11 2001 a different story.
    The greatest evil of these fαℓѕє fℓαgs is there dishonest brainwashing Marxist tactics which Our Lady said would spread over the whole world. 
    And sadly so many people are daily deceived by this evil. :jester: 


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  • Once we doubt those, we start to doubt any events. Did Christ rise from the Dead? Did His Passion happen? Eventually, it will lead to a point where instead of saying "Christ is God", we say that he was just a man who did nothing and was not God.
    So your government is on a par with God, anonymous?
    In "god" we trust?
    Breathtakingly stupid comment!
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

    +RIP 2024

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  • Once we doubt those, we start to doubt any events. Did Christ rise from the Dead? Did His Passion happen? Eventually, it will lead to a point where instead of saying "Christ is God", we say that he was just a man who did nothing and was not God.
    So your government is on a par with God, anonymous?
    In "god" we trust?
    Breathtakingly stupid comment!
    Breathtakingly stupid comment indeed!  

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  • LAS VEGAS FACTS YOU WON'T GET IN THE MSM
    by Jim Stone
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    (EXCERPT by henrymakow.com)
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    Jim Stone: FBI responsible for Vegas Shooting
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    Disclaimer- I am offering Jim Stone's perspective. Obviously, many of the details of this event are still unknown or in dispute.
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    https://shar.es/1VQ4Dz
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

    +RIP 2024


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  • 16 unanswered Questions about the Las Vegas Shooting that the Mainstream refuses to Talk about

    The Economic Collapse Blog

    10/3/2017

    http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/16-unanswered-questions-about-the-las-vegas-shooting-that-the-mainstream-media-doesnt-want-to-talk-about

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  • Robert J Steele: Las Vegas Massacre fαℓѕє fℓαg Study


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  • Very good article by Yoishi Shimatsu  (if there is 'language' in here, please excuse)

    http://rense.com/general96/isisgunmanvegas.html

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  • why would the cia, isis and mossad collaborate on anything? these are 3 groups that hate each other