Shooting at Mandalay Bay, Las Vegas (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41466116)Mainstream Media Theatre.
Mainstream Media Theatre.CIA involvement is a definite. Shooter was probably an MK-Ultra candidate and on psychoactive drugs
Another fαℓѕє fℓαg to generate fear from the masses.
KNOW YOUR ENEMY.
Hint: it’s not terrorists
Police want all cell phone pictures. Why?Well this is the dumbest posting I've seen in a long time.
Police do not want people posting pictures that may show CIA and FBI sharpshooters participating in the carnage.
CIA involvement is a definite. Shooter was probably an MK-Ultra candidate and on psychoactive drugsNo one died. The video posted on this thread shows interviews with people who are following a written script. No emotions, no tears. And not what you would see from persons who suffered REAL TRAUMA.
How can one inexperienced man kill more than 50 and wound more than 500.
There must have been accomplices.
Hint: Police want all cell phone pictures. Why?
Police do not want people posting pictures that may show CIA and FBI sharpshooters participating in the carnage.
You dumb people who say Fake, Fake, someday this will come back right at you. Remember this!What is ‘dumb’ is when you don’t do your own research and continue to buy into mainstream fear mongering.
No one died. The video posted on this thread shows interviews with people who are following a written script. No emotions, no tears. And not what you would see from persons who suffered REAL TRAUMA.A annual public venue, selling tickets to the general public for many months to tens of thousands of patrons, fake? Get a brain....
Talk to a WWII Veteran. Their stories from a half century ago have more emotion than something that happened just now supposedly to these actors/people.
Look up crisis actors on YouTube, the narrative is the same with every mainstream ‘shooting’ in recent history.
A annual public venue, selling tickets to the general public for many months to tens of thousands of patrons, fake? Get a brain....Me...
What is ‘dumb’ is when you don’t do your own research and continue to buy into mainstream fear mongering.Your faith is Fake, I know because I had a loved one there.
Your faith is Fake, I know because I had a loved one there.Give the guy a break. While this situation in Las Vegas probably isn't fake, there have been fake false-flag operations here in the U.S. Do you agree?
Coming from the Phoenix area, I went to bed, with radio pillow speaker on at 10:30pm. I listened to KFYI. At 11:30pm I hear "breaking News". Now, I heard, and you did too, that the shooting was a t 9:30pm. I asked myself, so how much time difference is there between AZ and Nevada? Why did it take an hour? or 2hr? to make it on the radio as breaking news?https://www.infowars.com/ has many conflicting reports, which indicates the shooting did not take place were it was originally reported, that there were more than one gunman to cause such carnage, that the shooter killed himself, but that the police shot him to death, that ISIS was involved, and that Antifa was the primary motivation in preparation for the November 4, 2017 Communist cινιℓ ωαr.
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I suspect this is another Federally instigated op. For those who remember the confusion immediately following the Oklahoma City bombing, with suspicion as I did, there seems to be similarities in getting the "official" story straight by the MSM immediately afterwords. It's impossible for everybody to be "in the know" when a particular task is executed, hence the confusion. I can't say precisely what the similarities are, but if there's anybody here who thinks like I do, I think they'll agree. Same goes for 9/11...Questions swirl in the Las Vegas mass shootingQuestions swirl in the Las Vegas mass shooting
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By Jon Rappoport
Sunday night Las Vegas shooting at country music concert. Shooter in a high room at the Mandalay Bay Resort Hotel, a long distance away. Deadliest mass shooting in US history. 518 wounded, 58 dead.
With the body count and wounded numbers rising, and the concert shooter, Stephen Paddock, dead, here are a few questions:
What weapon was he using? That is important in deciding whether Paddock could, from a significant distance, inflict the reported destruction of life. Or whether, as earlier reports/rumors suggested, there was more than one shooter.
At least ten weapons were found in the shooter's hotel room. He had checked into the Mandalay Resort Hotel several days earlier. How did he bring in all the weapons? Disassembled? Did he have prior experience with weapons?
In an interview, Paddock's brother said he was absolutely shocked, and his brother, Stephen, was "just a guy." No motive, no reason to go on a rampage. True? False? What turned him into a killer? Had he ever been under psychiatric care? Had he been prescribed, for example, SSRI antidepressants, which are known to push people over the edge, into homicidal violence? If he was "just a guy," did that include significant experience handling weapons? Was he capable of bringing all or some of the weapons into the hotel in pieces and then assembling them?
The Guardian: Paddock's brother said, "He's not an avid gun guy at all. The fact that he had those kind of weapons is just - where the hell did he get automatic weapons? He has no military background or anything like that. He's just a guy who lived in a house in Mesquite, drove down and gambled in Las Vegas. He did stuff. Ate burritos."
Police reports seemed to indicate, at first, that police broke into Paddock's hotel room and killed him. Then the press were told that Paddock committed ѕυιcιdє as the police entered, or before they entered.
For a time, police were searching for Paddock's friend, companion, roommate (?), Marilou Danley. Reports then suggested they had her in custody. But a later report indicated she was overseas, and the police were satisfied she had nothing to do with the shooting. How were the police able to determine that so quickly? Her absence from Las Vegas would not rule out the possibility she was involved in the planning.
Then we have this: "CAIRO, Oct 2 (Reuters) - Islamic State has claimed responsibility for a shooting that killed at least 50 people and wounded over 400 in Las Vegas early on Monday, and said the attacker had converted to Islam a few months ago."
"'The Las Vegas attack was carried out by a soldier of the Islamic State and he carried it out in response to calls to target states of the coalition'," the group's news agency Amaq said in reference to the U.S.-led coalition fighting the group in the Middle East."
"'The Las Vegas attacker converted to Islam a few months ago'," Amaq added.
True? Bogus? An ISIS attempt to take credit for an attack, with which they had no connection?
Earlier this morning, I came across a tweet which I can't locate anymore. It named another Stephen C Paddock, who is 44, who has been convicted of several crimes involving lewd acts on a child and child molestation---11/28/01 (South Carolina), 4/06/94 (Indiana), and 11/09/89 (Indiana). The tweet included what appeared to be a screen shot of an official law-enforcement docuмent, also indicating that this Stephen Paddock had been confined, at one point, in a South Carolina mental institution.
Then there is the story of a concert goer who was warning people before the shooting that they were all "going to die." Who is she? Is she involved?
The Express (UK): "One woman, who was at the Route 91 music event, claimed an unidentified woman had told other concert-goers they were 'all going to die' after pushing her way to the front of the venue...The witness, 21, told local news: 'She had been messing with a lady in front of her and telling her she was going to die, that we were all going to die. They escorted her out to make her stop messing around with all the other people, but none of us knew it was going to be serious'...She [the winess] described the lady as Hispanic. The lady was escorted from the venue along with a man. The unnamed witness, who was attending the event on her 21st birthday, described the pair as short, both around 5 ft 5ins to 5ft 6ins tall, and looked like 'everyday people'."
In every one of these mass attacks, average news consumers assume the police and the media "have the story right," and all remaining questions are "just details that will eventually be worked out."
That's not a wise assumption. It's especially not wise when connected major agendas are on the line: removing guns from all citizens; accelerating militarized police presence in every aspect of daily life; keeping citizens in a state of anxiety, inducing their decision to stay at home behind locked doors and not venture out; reduction of public events of all kinds; degradation of the economy.
Such agendas can result in violent events which are not what they seem to be.
NoMoreFakeNews.com
My opinion: This was done by the deep state to galvanized Public support for further anti gun legislation.
According to military experts it was not the Military MR-15 but a stationary machine gun
firing at ground level of the hotel.
A video I heard on The Jeff Rense program with Professor Fetzer and a retired Marine Corp
Officer that the sounds of the firings was not from a MR-15 but a stationary mounted
machine gun. The sounds of the gun firing than it was quiet and begin firing again, the clip
being reloaded.
Questions swirl in the Las Vegas mass shootingQuestions swirl in the Las Vegas mass shooting
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By Jon Rappoport
Sunday night Las Vegas shooting at country music concert. Shooter in a high room at the Mandalay Bay Resort Hotel, a long distance away. Deadliest mass shooting in US history. 518 wounded, 58 dead.
With the body count and wounded numbers rising, and the concert shooter, Stephen Paddock, dead, here are a few questions:
What weapon was he using? That is important in deciding whether Paddock could, from a significant distance, inflict the reported destruction of life. Or whether, as earlier reports/rumors suggested, there was more than one shooter.
At least ten weapons were found in the shooter's hotel room. He had checked into the Mandalay Resort Hotel several days earlier. How did he bring in all the weapons? Disassembled? Did he have prior experience with weapons?
In an interview, Paddock's brother said he was absolutely shocked, and his brother, Stephen, was "just a guy." No motive, no reason to go on a rampage. True? False? What turned him into a killer? Had he ever been under psychiatric care? Had he been prescribed, for example, SSRI antidepressants, which are known to push people over the edge, into homicidal violence? If he was "just a guy," did that include significant experience handling weapons? Was he capable of bringing all or some of the weapons into the hotel in pieces and then assembling them?
The Guardian: Paddock's brother said, "He's not an avid gun guy at all. The fact that he had those kind of weapons is just - where the hell did he get automatic weapons? He has no military background or anything like that. He's just a guy who lived in a house in Mesquite, drove down and gambled in Las Vegas. He did stuff. Ate burritos."
Police reports seemed to indicate, at first, that police broke into Paddock's hotel room and killed him. Then the press were told that Paddock committed ѕυιcιdє as the police entered, or before they entered.
For a time, police were searching for Paddock's friend, companion, roommate (?), Marilou Danley. Reports then suggested they had her in custody. But a later report indicated she was overseas, and the police were satisfied she had nothing to do with the shooting. How were the police able to determine that so quickly? Her absence from Las Vegas would not rule out the possibility she was involved in the planning.
Then we have this: "CAIRO, Oct 2 (Reuters) - Islamic State has claimed responsibility for a shooting that killed at least 50 people and wounded over 400 in Las Vegas early on Monday, and said the attacker had converted to Islam a few months ago."
"'The Las Vegas attack was carried out by a soldier of the Islamic State and he carried it out in response to calls to target states of the coalition'," the group's news agency Amaq said in reference to the U.S.-led coalition fighting the group in the Middle East."
"'The Las Vegas attacker converted to Islam a few months ago'," Amaq added.
True? Bogus? An ISIS attempt to take credit for an attack, with which they had no connection?
Earlier this morning, I came across a tweet which I can't locate anymore. It named another Stephen C Paddock, who is 44, who has been convicted of several crimes involving lewd acts on a child and child molestation---11/28/01 (South Carolina), 4/06/94 (Indiana), and 11/09/89 (Indiana). The tweet included what appeared to be a screen shot of an official law-enforcement docuмent, also indicating that this Stephen Paddock had been confined, at one point, in a South Carolina mental institution.
Then there is the story of a concert goer who was warning people before the shooting that they were all "going to die." Who is she? Is she involved?
The Express (UK): "One woman, who was at the Route 91 music event, claimed an unidentified woman had told other concert-goers they were 'all going to die' after pushing her way to the front of the venue...The witness, 21, told local news: 'She had been messing with a lady in front of her and telling her she was going to die, that we were all going to die. They escorted her out to make her stop messing around with all the other people, but none of us knew it was going to be serious'...She [the winess] described the lady as Hispanic. The lady was escorted from the venue along with a man. The unnamed witness, who was attending the event on her 21st birthday, described the pair as short, both around 5 ft 5ins to 5ft 6ins tall, and looked like 'everyday people'."
In every one of these mass attacks, average news consumers assume the police and the media "have the story right," and all remaining questions are "just details that will eventually be worked out."
That's not a wise assumption. It's especially not wise when connected major agendas are on the line: removing guns from all citizens; accelerating militarized police presence in every aspect of daily life; keeping citizens in a state of anxiety, inducing their decision to stay at home behind locked doors and not venture out; reduction of public events of all kinds; degradation of the economy.
Such agendas can result in violent events which are not what they seem to be.
NoMoreFakeNews.com
My opinion: This was done by the deep state to galvanized Public support for further anti gun legislation.
According to military experts it was not the Military MR-15 but a stationary machine gun
firing at ground level of the hotel.
A video I heard on The Jeff Rense program with Professor Fetzer and a retired Marine Corp
Officer that the sounds of the firings was not from a MR-15 but a stationary mounted
machine gun. The sounds of the gun firing than it was quiet and begin firing again, the clip
being reloaded.
What's the point of this? Is it really a surprise that we can trust neither media, princes, nor principalities?
What is the end of this and things like? What are you going to do about it no matter what the truth of it is?
There's a reason why statements like "Hi, I'm from the government and I'm here to help you." are longstanding jokes.
Is there something "... new under the Sun" after all?
It's like looking at the Devil's dinner the second time around.
The government lies: check.
Media lies: check.
People lie: check.
D-bags end up running the show: check.
There is more dirt that there are diamonds: check.
What? What is it, really?
That means so much, coming from "anonymous" guy.Crikey, I even checked that blasted box...
I KNOW that none of us are safe. I KNOW how things can change catastrophically literally in an instant.
This smells more of fear than divine abandonment.
I used to be "from the government" and we aren't all psychopaths, you know?
There's a danger of much injustice and "lack of charity" in this thinking.
Just what percentage of "the authorities" must be assumed to be monsters for all this to gel?
How many of you lot have fortune cookied this bit before?
“Pray, hope, and don't worry. Worry is useless. God is merciful and will hear your prayer.”
―Padre Pio (https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/545619-pray-hope-and-don-t-worry-worry-is-useless-god-is)
May their souls and the souls of all the faithful departed rest in peace. Amen.
:pray: :pray: :pray:
Look who is saying they deserved to be killed... One of (((them))) (http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/10/02/top-cbs-lawyer-no-sympathy-for-vegas-vics-probably-republicans.html)
If our government is that diabolic, why would they need to use actors? You believe 9/11 was an inside job where our own government killed thousands but now they use actors. It doesn't make much sense to me. It would make sense if they actually carried out the attack and used some old sucker as a patsy and planted a bunch of guns at his house. But actors? that's dumb. Too many moving parts. Too many people that could blow the whistle.i think you underestimate the level of satanic, luciferian ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ, communist and pedophila engulfment of our "Government". If the members are not a part of it directly then they have been extorted enough to be controlled or they wouldn't be there. That is why our only hope is the Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart. There are no other options left.
If our government is that diabolic, why would they need to use actors? You believe 9/11 was an inside job where our own government killed thousands but now they use actors. It doesn't make much sense to me. It would make sense if they actually carried out the attack and used some old sucker as a patsy and planted a bunch of guns at his house. But actors? that's dumb. Too many moving parts. Too many people that could blow the whistle.
i think you underestimate the level of satanic, luciferian ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ, communist and pedophila engulfment of our "Government". If the members are not a part of it directly then they have been extorted enough to be controlled or they wouldn't be there. That is why our only hope is the Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart. There are no other options left.Plus, they learned from 9/11 that pesky family members of real victims want real answers to what happened to their lost loved one, and then you have to do the farce of The 9/11 Commission Report. Using actors is so much more convenient.
In a sense, the government is mostly all actors, but yes; lots of crisis actors discerned here. it doesn't mean it was all "fake' or that no one died. The actors are used just enough to control the story to their liking. it's part of the diabolical deception. If they can manipulate, they will.
The government lies: check.
Media lies: check.
People lie: check.
Nothing in CathInfo facilitates lies like allowing "Anonymous Guest" in the "Anonymous Posts Allowed" subforum.
So there might be no private act in CathInfo more foolhardy than clicking any link posted by an "Anonymous Guest" in the "Anonymous Posts Allowed" subforum: Potentially a link-lie.
The official narrative is the 64-year old shooter cut loose with 7.62x51 (308 caliber) rounds on the crowd.Obviously, you don't know much about ballistics... yes, normal hunting ammunition is expanding ammo.
If anyone here knows anything about hunting....
I think you know where I'm going with this.
Well, without being too explicit, a 308 exit wound on a deer, is between 6-12 inches wide.
You can't plug it with a finger.
I'd like to know who's behind the "NOT ANONYMOUS" box check thing personally. Have them killed.
Most people on CI are "anonymous" one way or another.
> One way permits for a degree of accountability, esp. considering that multiple accounts can get you autobahned (b'bumpb'bump "Yodelayheehoo!"), and the other not so much. One way allows you to justly, and prudently, dismiss and discount the assertions of one demonstrably and repeatedly shown to be incredible and to do so preemptively, the other does not.
>Conversely, "knowing" someone's positive reputation can also save time that you may not have, i.e. & for example some have shown themselves trustworthy and so can be taken at their word, while others have shown themselves to be, for example, pernicious, perfidious liars and deceivers with the "anonymous" section being ideal for such a purpose.
What matters is if they back up what they're saying with evidence from good sources.
> So if they're, for example, the Devil...?
And also if they point out things that are nonsensical, like much of what we're expected to believe about the official story of many of these events.
> "What's the big deal about fruit? That's so petty and silly..."
“I could just see everybody running… and I kept looking at the windows to see if I could see any kind of muzzle flash to see if I could see where the shooter was,” Bethel described of what many have called a “surreal” scene. “...
Perched high on the 32nd floor of the Las Vegas Strip casino, Paddock unleashed a shower of bullets down on an outdoor country music festival below, killing at least 59 people and wounding more than 515 as thousands of frantic concert-goers screamed and ran for their lives.
“About 10 minutes later the Las Vegas Police Department called me to let me know that the shooter was on the 32nd floor. Room 135, and that they had gotten him,” said Bethel. ... And it felt like it took them too long to get over there… to take him out.
People are very good at faking outward veneers and making themselves seem normal... At the end of the day, it boils down to crazy.
Paddock might have been a Manchurian Candidate. He certainly seems like one.Evil people are still out there capable of destructive criminal acts. Just not the ones reported on TELEVISION. That is what’s KEY here. These mass media run events are what is FALSE, complete with a written script, crisis actors and fake blood.
But even that being said, one of the problem I have with viewing virtually every mass murder as a fαℓѕє fℓαg with paid actors is that pretty soon we're looking around and human beings aren't capable of chaos, evil, and violence any longer. When's the last time somebody, through a combination of human weakness, vice, and an evil will, committed a crime? By the 'everything's a fαℓѕє fℓαg' narrative, this doesn't happen anymore. 'Regular people' don't do these types of things, just governments and their paid actors. Albert Fish and the rest, what do we make of those? How far do the fαℓѕє fℓαgs go back?
As to media reports, it's true that they're unreliable. Part of it is that the MSM is in cahoots with the government, but I'm not willing to say, at face value, that this extends to all of these mass murders being completely and utterly fake. The main reason that news reports conflict is that news outlets make money by reporting first, not best. Man is a fallible witness and the more traumatic experience, the less reliable the testimony. With time, events crystallize. Just look at Vatican II. In the moment, the Catholic world regarded it as orthodox. It was with time and reflection that it become increasingly clearer that it was not.
I would just prefer, when these things happen, to gather the evidence and then begin to interpret it and figure out what it means. It's important and good to scrutinize the news, and there's no doubt that the government does orchestrate fαℓѕє fℓαgs. But people are still capable of wanton evil and destruction without being brainwashed or paid for it. It's called original sin.
Evil people are still out there capable of destructive criminal acts. Just not the ones reported on TELEVISION. That is what’s KEY here. These mass media run events are what is FALSE, complete with a written script, crisis actors and fake blood..
It’s easy for us to forget the MILLIONS of babies already dying from the evil of abortion, because people just get swept up into the latest ‘crisis’ they see on the networks (cnn and fox) And all for the purpose of brainwashing society into thinking your next door neighbor is going to shoot up your local mall for no other reason than because the guy follows an extreme religion.
Remember that..when it’s Catholicism’s turn to be labeled THE ‘extreme religion’. For now it is Islam that is the scapegoat, their religion being used to instill fear in the masses, so that the government increases their control and then take down the last remnants of God’s Moral Order. NWO next to come.
May God have Mercy on us.
Jesus and Mary save souls.
If the anti-gun lobby and globalists are unhappy with the lack of speed with which our guns are being confiscated, they would have no qualms about ramping up another shooting. And with this one, all you hear concerns his amount of guns, and type of weapons, and bombs, and ammunition - and not only at the hotel but at his houses..
They could hardly dramatize it more! And we have no absolute proof that it all happened as the talking points have it. Actually, as usual, there is still too much room for questions. As for crisis actors, their main job is to be sure to say the talking points that the conspiracy wants out there.
Anyway, I find I feel sorry for those who still buy whatever the MSM sells without scrutinizing any of it.
.I LOVE THE TRUTH.
Yeah, it's almost as bad as those who buy whatever anonymous posters on CI say without scrutinizing.
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Look, there are a world of possibilities between 'everything the msm says is gospel from the second they post it' and 'everything the msm says is as fake as pink elephants in trees.'
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Legitimate scrutiny lies in reserved judgment which forms into a proper judgment and opinion as evidence becomes available. To the left and right of that are equally unreasonable positions, both borne out of intellectual laziness and a craving for sensationalist agendas. Love of truth is something both positions are in short supply of.
HFM has a reputation of staging their own agenda. They remove necessary context and edit out just to suggest a lie.Examples please.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPZFN6VFFow (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPZFN6VFFow).
Five MORE things that don’t add up about the Las Vegas massacre… Where is all the expended brass?
Mike Adams
(http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/siteupload/2017/10/Vegas-Shooting-2017-2-2.jpg)
by:
(Natural News (https://www.naturalnews.com/)) Um, excuse me for a moment here, but I have a really stupid question. I know you told me there’s no such thing as a stupid question, but this one seems really stupid anyway.
The media has released photos of guns and ammo magazines laying around on the floor of the supposed “sniper’s nest” hotel room on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay hotel in Las Vegas, but there’s something totally wrong with these pictures:
#1) Where is all the expended brass?
Now, maybe I’m just a moron who thinks automatic rifles discharge expended brass or something, because the last time I shot my rifle — which was yesterday — hot brass kept blasting out the right side port with every round. Very annoying. I wish I knew how to turn that off.
So, given that Stephen Paddock was firing full-auto rifles in a sustained 10-minute assault, at roughly the rate of six rounds per second, we should probably see massive piles of expended brass all over the place.
Let’s see: 6 rounds per second, times 60 seconds in a minute, times 10 minutes of sustained fire… that comes to 3600 rounds of ammunition. If you figure there were pauses in the automatic fire, you could discount that to maybe 3000 rounds actually fired.
Again, maybe I’m just stupid or something, but if Paddock fired 3000 rounds, there should be 3000 brass casings all over the floor of the hotel suite. (I know, I’m invoking logic and reason, both of which are banned in modern society and the mainstream media, but bear with me for a moment for the sake of appeasing a really stupid person…)
But what we see in the photos released by the media show only a tiny smattering of brass casings, almost as if they were thrown around to complete the staging of the scene:
(https://www.naturalnews.com/gallery/articles/Stephen-Paddock-guns-Mandalay-Bay-room-1.jpg)
(https://www.naturalnews.com/gallery/articles/Stephen-Paddock-guns-Mandalay-Bay-room-2.jpg)
Thank goodness the UK Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4944234/Two-23-rifles-inside-Stephen-Paddock-s-room.html) cleared all this up by stating there were, “Dozens of spent shells litter the floor… and a hammer.” Yep, DOZENS. In a mass shooting that supposedly involved the firing of thousands of rounds from this very location, the media proudly reports there are “dozens” of pieces of brass on the carpet.
Did the FBI sweep up all the brass before they took these photos? Maybe they needed the brass for their own reloads so they can stage the next shooting…
I also wonder why the media isn’t calling for a nationwide ban on hammers, since they can clearly be used in mass shootings. #BanHammers
And ban hotels, too, since they provide elevated platforms for mass shooters. That’s right, ban all hammers, but especially full-auto hammers, as they can smash hotel windows at an astonishing rate.
#2) Where are all the carpet burns from hot brass and hot gun barrels?
I must be really stupid, because the other day when I was training with my AR-15, I was doing an exercise called “keyhole shooting” which requires you to shoot at targets through nine different holes cut into a large piece of plywood that’s positioned vertically in front of you. Some of these holes are cut near the bottom of the plywood, meaning you have to lay down on the ground to shoot through those holes. Silly me, I forgot to wear a long sleeve shirt, and when I laid down on the ground to shoot from the bottom holes, I found my arms laying across hot brass that was expended from my earlier shots through higher holes.
Not surprisingly, I received serious burns on my skin for the simple reason that — DUH! — expended brass is really, really hot.
And I don’t know if you knew this or not, but the hotter your rifle gets, the hotter your expended brass gets, too. It’s apparently due to physics or some such thing. If you’re firing a full-auto rifle, some internal parts can reach temperatures of 400 C, which is hot enough to either cook a frozen burrito or set Maxine Waters’ hair on fire at the merest touch.
Now, at 400 C, most of your rifle grease smokes off, making it hard to breathe. After just a few hundred rounds, the air in that hotel room would have been unbearably polluted. It might have even caused global warming, which is exactly why we have to ban automatic weapons (plus full-auto hammers, see above).
Given that Stephen Paddock was smoking through thousands of rounds of ammunition, he was generating not only very hot rifles but also extremely hot brass that would have left burn marks in any synthetic carpet.
Where are all the burn marks in the carpet?
Wouldn’t you know it, but the carpet in this room just happened to look like a pattern of burn marks, thereby obscuring the absence of additional burn marks from brass or rifle barrels:
(https://www.naturalnews.com/gallery/articles/Stephen-Paddock-guns-Mandalay-Bay-room-3.jpg)
(Bet you didn’t even notice the carpet pattern until I pointed this out, right? You were looking at the guns and the dead body, because that’s what the media told you to look at.)
#3) When seconds count, the police are only 72 minutes away… but why?
I’m not trying to diss the cops here. As you know, I’m an advocate of honest, local police, and it’s clear that the beat cops did a fantastic job helping people seek cover on the ground below. But I do have an issue with the 72-minute response time during a full-auto machine gun spree in a city where there are dozens of cops within a one-mile radius.
Seventy-two minutes? Really? Was there a committee involved somehow? Why is it that the FBI’s former traitor-in-chief James Comey can decide in an instant that Hillary Clinton is innocent of everything, but all the cops in Las Vegas can’t breach a simple hotel door in anything less than 72 minutes?
No, wait. It must be Stephen Paddock’s white privilege. When you’re white, you get an extra 70 minutes to carry out mass shootings. But if you’re black, the cops shoot you in the first two minutes, you see. At least that’s what we’re told by the lunatic, deranged left-wing media which has declared war on cops (and war on the truth, come to think of it).
Just remember all this when you’re out in public next time: Even in a city that’s full of well-meaning cops who are doing their jobs, when seconds count, the police are only 72 minutes away due to the bureaucracy that runs everything. You might want to carry your own semi-auto pistol. And if you can find out where Stephen Paddock got his magical guns, you might even be able to find a pistol that doesn’t eject brass. (They’re also called “revolvers,” just sayin’…)
#4) Um, excuse me but I have another really stupid question…
So you know that rifle with the bipod they found innocently standing in front of the mini-bar? Yeah, I’m talking about this one, labeled #19:
(https://www.naturalnews.com/gallery/articles/Stephen-Paddock-guns-Mandalay-Bay-room-4.jpg)
Is it just me, or does this look exactly the same as the rifle shown in the photo with the dead guy, above? Same flared mag well, same bump fire stock, same bipod and even the same optics, it seems. If only we could see the serial numbers, we might know for sure, but of course they never release photos with that degree of resolution.
Can’t have the public looking too closely, you see, or we might keep asking really stupid questions like, “Hey, why were there originally just 10 guns reported, and now there are 27 guns being reported, but it really just looks like the same 10 guns re-staged and re-photographed to look like 27 guns?”
I mean, heck, why not make it 99 guns at this point? Clearly whoever set all this up really, really wanted to make sure we didn’t miss the guns. “Make it 10 guns! … No, wait. Hold on. Make it 20 guns! … Oh wait, why stop now? Let’s make it 27 guns! And then call for gun control!” Honestly, it seems the only person around here who lacks gun control is the police photographer.
#5) I swear this is my last really stupid question, but please…
This whole scene is being called a “sniper’s nest” by the entire fake news media, but I’ve looked and looked and I still don’t see a sniper rifle anywhere. What I see are a bunch of AR-15s that fire .223 rounds (or 5.56 mm for you metric heads). Sniper rifles are bolt-action rifles, not auto-loading semi-auto rifles.
Now, I’ve only fired about 100,000 of these rounds myself, so I’m still a newbie, but the last time I checked, these rounds are usually about 55 grains in mass, and they lose about 75% of their kinetic energy by the time they reach a 400-yard target (the distance from the Mandalay Bay hotel to the concert lot is about 400 yards). You can see the dope yourself at Gundata.org (http://gundata.org/blog/post/223-ballistics-chart/).
On top of that, the bullet drop is 32 inches, which is of course almost three feet of bullet drop. Now, given the elevated angle of the shooter, that bullet drop wouldn’t be quite as dramatic, as the coefficient of a 20 degree declination angle is, of course, 0.94. But the energy of this round at 400 yards makes it only marginally effective. It’s just at the outside boundary of the effective range of a .223 cartridge, as any good Marine will tell you.
Conclusion? All these casualties couldn’t possibly be caused by .223 rounds. Most likely, they were actually heavier rounds fired from something like a belt-fed AK system (7.62 x 39mm rounds), or perhaps even a belt-fed .308 automatic weapon. So where is all the brass, anyway? Did Stephen Paddock possess magical brass that can disappear after being fired?
I find it curious that ballistics details of the bullets that hit the pavement have not been released. All the evidence we need is all over the concert lot, yet the public will never be given access to details about that evidence. They also destroyed all the evidence immediately after 9/11, by the way. They called it “cleanup and salvage.” Really, it was a rapid evidence destruction exercise.
In summary, “mission impossible” could have only been carried out by a miracle Leprechaun who eats brass and makes bullets more effective than the laws of physics allow
In summary of all this, we’re told that a flabby 64-year-old senior citizen accountant with a gambling problem managed to expertly lay down highly effective fields of fire, killing 58 and wounding 500+ people by firing off thousands of .223 rounds well outside their effective range, all while producing merely dozens of pieces of expended brass that were magically cooled before they hit the carpet of his hotel room.
This was accomplished, we’re told, by one man firing 10 rifles… wait, no, 27 rifles all by himself, without any military training whatsoever. This same man set up a James Bond spy camera in the hotel hallway to monitor police in an attempt to defend himself against the inevitable police assault, then he just changed his mind and shot himself the moment the cops showed up… all for no apparent reason.
Oh, and one more thing: This same guy who meticulously planned the hotel room, the rifles hidden in the luggage, the huge collection of 100-round magazines, the window hammer smashing routine, the concert calendar dates, the monotonous lugging of ammunition to his room and even the guarding of the mini-bar when another assault rifle just happened to mindlessly leave a bag of ammonium nitrate fertilizer in his careven though it has no practical use in this scenario unless you’re growing Azaleas. (Yes, fertilizer can actually be used as fertilizer. It’s not all for making bombs as the media stupidly claims.)
So wait, millionaire gambling man who has no military training, no familiarity with automatic weapons, no James Bond super spy training, no political affiliations and nothing in the world to complain about just got tired of living in a $400,000 home, banging Vegas hookers and flying around his private Cessna? Instead of that rather well-off life, he wants to run a ѕυιcιdє mission, set up spy cameras in the hallway, shoot a bunch of innocent people he’s never met and then shoot himself in the head while going down in history as a flaming piece of s##t who will burn in Hell forever? Oh yeah, and before he does all that, he wires $100,000 to his girlfriend in the Philippines?
Call me stupid, but something doesn’t add up here. I don’t know if it’s the missing brass, the missing carpet burns, the wildly fluctuating rifle count, the staged police photos, the B.S. ѕυιcιdє story, the totally laughable ballistics miracles of .223 rounds or the magically disappearing evidence of all the rifle rounds that hit pavement but then seemed to be whisked away by law enforcement. But something smells fishy about all this.
Or maybe I’m just so stupid that I can’t quite understand CNN. Yeah, that must be it.
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22154686_1944058749182289_3842799942317918519_n.jpg?oh=0f6a0c744db583cbf1b64545d510507f&oe=5A4BC197)Just want to note that he was there over a period of days prior and hotels have carts that patrons can use to carry luggage in and out of the hotel. While I agree there are some questions still to be answered, this is not one of them.
Just want to note that he was there over a period of days prior and hotels have carts that patrons can use to carry luggage in and out of the hotel. While I agree there are some questions still to be answered, this is not one of them.I have very, very strong doubts that he acted alone.
I have very, very strong doubts that he acted alone.
This is my view of the matter as well. Beyond that, it's difficult to speculate.I posted the above quote. I forgot to check the "not anonymous" box.
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Vegas Shooting: Real vs. FakeI don't see how there could be fake victims at the arena where the shooting occurred. That would mean that the local law enforcement as well as the local first responders would be "in on it." I can readily believe that there would be FBI forces that would fake an incident like this, but for the conspiracy to include those on a local level, that would be difficult.Vegas shooting: real vs. fake
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By Jon Rappoport
These are a few observations leading to a hypothesis.
First, there is a video, taken at ground level, of a man going from victim to victim lying on the ground at the concert. He is checking their pulses, asking if they're all right, calling for medical help. Notice the color of the blood on the ground and on the victims. It is a quite bright red. Would real bloodstains on the ground be that color, or would they be darker?
https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=deb_1507066797
Next, there is the matter of how Stephen Paddock, the accused shooter, brought 23 weapons and ammo into the Mandalay Hotel and up to his suite.
He was a well-known high-stakes gambler. Hotel personnel surely knew him. They knew he lived in the Vegas area. Yet there he is with a number of suitcases---or over the course of a few days, he appears in the lobby with another suitcase or two each time.
These hotels are security-conscious to the max. No suspicion was aroused? And Paddock risked exposure to take weapons he would never use up to his suite?
Did Paddock bring in the weapons through another hotel entrance with the help of staff? Was this part of the operation an inside job?
Did he actually bring in all these weapons? Or was his hotel suite staged as a prop by others? Was it set up as a showcase for gun-control advocates who, after the fact, would push for new restrictive laws?
The photos of the hotel suite---when were they taken? In the immediate aftermath of the shooting? Where are the hundreds or thousands of shell casings that would have been ejected from the weapon(s)? The photos of the floor show very little brass. My understanding is these casings would have been quite hot. Where are all the burn marks on the carpet and furniture and walls?
This whole "hotel suite" scenario is very murky and needs much more investigation.
There are cell-phone videos taken at ground level at the concert, while you can hear automatic gunfire. A reader brings up an interesting point. Many of these shots would miss human targets. Instead, they would hit solid objects and either remain embedded or bounce. Where are the loud sounds, on the videos, of ricochets---not just a few sounds, but many.
Now here is a hypothesis. Obviously, it applies to more than just the Vegas shooting. In SOME of these events, we see a MIX of fake and real happenings. There are real victims and fake victims. This confusion and conflation of the fake and the real stimulate different and opposing lines of independent investigation.
Some say all the victims are fake. Others say all the victims are real. Both viewpoints tend to generalize from a few sets of facts.
The result? This is perfect for those who are actually behind the operation in the shadows, who want to engender false trails and dead ends and "unsolvable" anomalies.
And conflict among independent researchers who, after all, are the only real threat to the party line.
"Look, here is a group of obvious crisis actors. They're fakes. Therefore, the whole event is a fake."
"Here are real victims. Therefore, the whole event is real. There was nothing fake about it."
Then, on top of this, the mainstream press, in its usual fashion, cherry picks the most far-out "conspiracy theories," presents them, and says: "Look how ridiculous ALL these people are who question the official investigation." Another generalization. A way to discredit all independent researchers.
When you think about it, the hypothesis I'm presenting is not strange at all. What do major media news broadcasts do? They mix real facts and fake facts. This is SOP. They mix and stir and derive bizarre conclusions that mislead the public.
"Real or fake" is not always the correct formulation, although that is what many people want to decide. "It must be black or white, yes or no, this or that." We're looking at a trap, we're looking at many minds disposed to function in this fashion.
In certain cases, it can be "real and fake."
And when it is, and when it's intentional, it confuses people and they throw up their hands and walk away.
Which is the desired effect.
"Was the whole thing real or fake? I have to know."
It was both.
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I don't see how there could be fake victims at the arena where the shooting occurred. That would mean that the local law enforcement as well as the local first responders would be "in on it." I can readily believe that there would be FBI forces that would fake an incident like this, but for the conspiracy to include those on a local level, that would be difficult.Yes, I agree, why is it some just want to believe this is a something that it is not?
The security in the local casino hotels aren't on the lookout for those who may be bringing in large bags of weapons. They are mostly concerned with those gamblers who will be trying to cheat the gambling system.
Yes, I agree, why is it some just want to believe this is a something that it is not?
I think that the reason is that we are so distrustful of the government. For good reason. The 9/11 attacks are a good example of why we shouldn't trust the government. However, a shooting on this large a scale would be difficult to fake.Once we doubt those, we start to doubt any events. Did Christ rise from the Dead? Did His Passion happen? Eventually, it will lead to a point where instead of saying "Christ is God", we say that he was just a man who did nothing and was not God.
I think that the Sandyhook shootings were probably fake (though I could be wrong), but that was on a small local level that could be controlled.
My husband and I travel to Las Vegas once a year to visit my elderly aunt and uncle, who have no family nearby at all. My husband insists on staying at hotels on the strip, since he's a builder and likes all of the wild architecture there. I have tried to talk him out of staying on the strip, but to no avail. I am familiar with the area where the shooting occurred, and even once attended the Novus Ordo church for Mass on Sunday, located right next door to the arena where the shooting occurred. Now I attend the local SSPX chapel in Las Vegas, when visiting.
It's really weird to see a shooting take place in an area that I'm familiar with.
Once we doubt those, we start to doubt any events. Did Christ rise from the Dead? Did His Passion happen? Eventually, it will lead to a point where instead of saying "Christ is God", we say that he was just a man who did nothing and was not God.So your government is on a par with God, anonymous?
Once we doubt those, we start to doubt any events. Did Christ rise from the Dead? Did His Passion happen? Eventually, it will lead to a point where instead of saying "Christ is God", we say that he was just a man who did nothing and was not God.
So your government is on a par with God, anonymous?Breathtakingly stupid comment indeed!
In "god" we trust?
Breathtakingly stupid comment!
why would the cia, isis and mossad collaborate on anything? these are 3 groups that hate each otherLOL, ISIS IS the bastard step-child of the CIA & Mossad.
The couple’s youngest daughter, 16-year-old Madison Carver, told the Las Vegas Review-Journal that she heard the crash from her bedroom. When she ran outside and down the street to find out what had happened, she recognized her family’s vehicle in flames.