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Offline 2Vermont

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Re: 35% Workforce Reduction at Major Healthcare Provider
« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2024, 05:11:25 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on January 11, 2024, 01:14:50 PM
    OP here:  My position has been eliminated and I received my 60 day notice.  I will receive severance + bonus and job search assistance.  It's a group Zoom firing.  They said it's because they want to keep profits high.  I'm totally disgusted.
    Sorry OP.  Your OP did sound like this was exactly what was going to happen.  That hidden invitee list was suspect.
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    Offline Quo vadis Domine

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    Re: 35% Workforce Reduction at Major Healthcare Provider
    « Reply #16 on: January 11, 2024, 05:11:50 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on January 11, 2024, 02:29:14 PM
    Give if a rest.  As I said, the employer is not expecting any productivity during those 60 days.  It's offered to appease the wrath of the laid-off workforce and for PR reasons, and most employees are salaried (aka "exempt") so there's no expectation of putting in 40 hours.  They often require you to work more than 40 under the terms of exempt employment, but the downside for them is that they also can't require employees to work 40 to get their full pay.  You evidently have no understanding of corporate employment.  They'll expect you to work 50-60 hours per week without paying OT under that kind of employment, but then can't force you to work 40 when things are slow.  It's not hourly employment.  And, even if it were for OP, there's no expectation whatsoever for full productivity during the lame duck timeframe except possibly to do knowledge transfer of your job duties, if applicable.


    You have a point.
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    Re: 35% Workforce Reduction at Major Healthcare Provider
    « Reply #17 on: January 11, 2024, 05:26:28 PM »
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    • OP here:  Have confirmed I am to not do any work for the next 60 days but look for a new job.  

    What was so disturbing is that many people received the weird hidden list Zoom invite and chat/video was disabled.  Managers know who was let go but can't say because of privacy laws. It was surreal.  Tomorrow the new org chart is being emailed out so everyone will know who got laid off.  What a cluster.
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    Re: 35% Workforce Reduction at Major Healthcare Provider
    « Reply #18 on: January 11, 2024, 05:36:33 PM »
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    • How about being an undertaker?  Something in the funeral industry that doesn’t involve cremations, cryogenics, or turning people to fertilizer?  
    What can’t robots be programmed to do?  
    Are there any jobs that aren’t somehow connected to immorality?  
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    Re: 35% Workforce Reduction at Major Healthcare Provider
    « Reply #19 on: January 11, 2024, 05:41:44 PM »
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    • Ite ad Ioseph, OP. 
    Will remember you in my prayers. :pray:




    Lord, have mercy.
     Christ, have mercy.
     Lord, have mercy.
     Christ, hear us.
     Christ, graciously hear us.

     God, the Father of Heaven, have mercy on us.
     God the Son, Redeemer of the world, have mercy on us.
     God the Holy Ghost, have mercy on us.
     Holy Trinity, One God, have mercy on us.

     Holy Mary, Pray for us.*
     St. Joseph, *
     Renowned offspring of David, *
     Light of Patriarchs, *
     Spouse of the Mother of God, *
     Chaste guardian of the Virgin, *
     Foster father of the Son of God, *
     Diligent protector of Christ, *
     Head of the Holy Family, *
     Joseph most just, *
     Joseph most chaste, *
     Joseph most prudent, *
     Joseph most strong, *
     Joseph most obedient, *
     Joseph most faithful, *
     Mirror of patience, *
     Lover of poverty, *
     Model of artisans, *
     Glory of home life, *
     Guardian of virgins, *
     Pillar of families, *
     Solace of the wretched, *
     Hope of the sick, *
     Patron of the dying, *
     Terror of demons, *
     Protector of Holy Church, *

     Lamb of God, Who takest away the sins of the world,
     Spare us, O Lord!.
     Lamb of God, Who takest away the sins of the world,
     Graciously hear us, O Lord!
     Lamb of God, Who takest away the sins of the world,
     Have mercy on us.


     V. He made him the lord of His household.
     R. And prince over all His possessions.

     Let us pray:

    O God, in your ineffable providence didst vouchsafe to choose Blessed Joseph to be the spouse of your most holy Mother; grant, we beseech Thee, that we may be worthy to have him for our intercessor in heaven whom we venerate as our Protector on earth: Who livest and reignest forever and ever. Amen.





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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: 35% Workforce Reduction at Major Healthcare Provider
    « Reply #20 on: January 11, 2024, 06:37:54 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on January 11, 2024, 05:26:28 PM
    OP here:  Have confirmed I am to not do any work for the next 60 days but look for a new job. 

    Called it.  I've been through these before.  When they give you advance notice, it's usually for legal reasons (some states requires it for large layoffs) and to not enrage the people laid off even more and for PR purposes.  As I said before, you can use the time to go to daily Mass, pray more (make a 15-decade Rosary novena for a new job and for your family), etc. ... while also looking for a new job.  God allowed it to happen for a reason.
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    Re: 35% Workforce Reduction at Major Healthcare Provider
    « Reply #21 on: January 11, 2024, 06:39:52 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on January 11, 2024, 02:44:52 PM
    Tech project mgmt. 25 yrs exp.

    Ah, too bad.  My company just laid off a couple PMs (largely because they were incompetent).  Pretty much everyone at my company works remote these days, so it wouldn't matter where you live.  I can check around.  I think they could probably use some more PMs, but they let the ones go because they were, quite frankly, completely inept.  If I hear about any openings, I'll send you a PM ... LOL a PM about PM openings.  We could actually use good technical PMs ... with the non-technical parts being a huge part of why these failed (that and just sheer incompetence in other areas).  We also have several large customers who may be in need of PMs, so I'll ask them also.  I have good connections with many of them (they like me for a number of reasons), so if there's something out available, I'll find it.
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    Re: 35% Workforce Reduction at Major Healthcare Provider
    « Reply #22 on: January 11, 2024, 06:49:02 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on January 11, 2024, 03:06:11 PM
    But they have several "project managers" whose main work is to give/receive e-mails and update a spreadsheet. They also have "schedulers" who schedule where the techs will work each day.

    There is tons of inefficiency and lost money (stolen by employees, fines for keeping equipment too long, repeat trips to sites that didn't need to happen, etc.) so their answer? Software. That's where I come in.

    Here's the thing.  When I worked for a couple large banks, the competent TPMs actually resulted in a huge boost in productivity.  They took a lot of organization tasks off the Architects and the Developers that then freed them up to be more productive in focusing on the actual work they needed to do.  As Architects / Developers, we could be writing software instead of putting in Change Controls, managing schedule/cost, acquiring additional resources, etc.  I had a couple I worked with that earned every cent they were paid.  Now, the non-technical PMs, yikes, some of those actually increased my workload by 25%.  I could go on for hours with stories about those guys.  Yes, for smaller organizations, PMs are not a boost, but for larger operations, they can be invaluable, especially TPMs (technical PMs).
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    Re: 35% Workforce Reduction at Major Healthcare Provider
    « Reply #23 on: January 11, 2024, 06:51:59 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on January 11, 2024, 05:09:45 PM

    Yes, I agree.

    "Exempt" employees have it written in their contracts that they were not paid hourly (which is most tech employees). Most of the time this translates into benefit for the employer, where they can get 50-60 hours out of you per week without having to pay overtime, but if you're slow and have less work, you also get paid full salary even if you work 10-20 hours per week.  That's one reason employers deliberately understaff, knowing they can squeeze an extra 10-20 hours out of many employees.  But the way those contracts are written, they have to pay you your "salary" whether you work 10 hours or 60 hours.  Corporate work is not clock-punching where you get paid by the hour ... well, except in some cases for certain types of employees.

    And, as OP has since confirmed, they're not expected to work during these 60 days.  That's usually what happens with the mass layoffs.
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    Re: 35% Workforce Reduction at Major Healthcare Provider
    « Reply #24 on: January 11, 2024, 07:03:52 PM »
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    • Here's a good query on Indeed for Remote Technical Project Managers, and of course you can check in your area as well.

    https://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=%22technical+project+manager%22&l=%22remote%22&vjk=2f50b0e3fb101386

    Also, you may wish to consider whether you could relocate ... might even improve your situation in terms of access to the Sacraments.  Or if you can land a Remote position, you might be able to stay closer to your family.

    You could also drop the "Technical" part (though those usually pay less).
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    Re: 35% Workforce Reduction at Major Healthcare Provider
    « Reply #25 on: January 11, 2024, 08:19:05 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on January 11, 2024, 06:51:59 PM
    "Exempt" employees have it written in their contracts that they were not paid hourly (which is most tech employees). Most of the time this translates into benefit for the employer, where they can get 50-60 hours out of you per week without having to pay overtime, but if you're slow and have less work, you also get paid full salary even if you work 10-20 hours per week.  That's one reason employers deliberately understaff, knowing they can squeeze an extra 10-20 hours out of many employees.  But the way those contracts are written, they have to pay you your "salary" whether you work 10 hours or 60 hours.  Corporate work is not clock-punching where you get paid by the hour ... well, except in some cases for certain types of employees.

    And, as OP has since confirmed, they're not expected to work during these 60 days.  That's usually what happens with the mass layoffs.

    I stand corrected. Fortunately I’ve never had to work for a corporation.
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    Re: 35% Workforce Reduction at Major Healthcare Provider
    « Reply #26 on: January 11, 2024, 09:41:03 PM »
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    • My advice would be, put in an honest day's work for an honest day's pay, but don't bust your hump.
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    Re: 35% Workforce Reduction at Major Healthcare Provider
    « Reply #27 on: January 11, 2024, 11:18:44 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on January 11, 2024, 08:19:05 PM
    Fortunately I’ve never had to work for a corporation.
    I don't think it would be far-fetched to have a study out there somewhere showing a direct relationship between the size of a company and the dissatisfaction of their workforce.

    OP, prayers that you'll find a new job quickly. :pray:
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    Re: 35% Workforce Reduction at Major Healthcare Provider
    « Reply #28 on: January 12, 2024, 06:21:17 AM »
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    • Quote from: SimpleMan on January 11, 2024, 09:41:03 PM
    My advice would be, put in an honest day's work for an honest day's pay, but don't bust your hump.

    Except that his boss just told him they're not expecting him to work, only to be looking for a new job during the entire 60 days remaining.  That implies that they won't be assigning him any work to do.
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    Re: 35% Workforce Reduction at Major Healthcare Provider
    « Reply #29 on: January 12, 2024, 06:24:07 AM »
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    • Quote from: SimpleMan on January 11, 2024, 09:41:03 PM
    My advice would be, put in an honest day's work for an honest day's pay, but don't bust your hump.
    I think this is good advice.  If for no other reason than to make it much more likely that they will give you a good reference.  Even if they said you don't have to do anything for the next 60 days.
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