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WW3 will be a fake war.
« on: May 11, 2017, 08:33:52 PM »
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  • We live in a fake world... Fake news, fake weather (chemtrails) , fake wars (Those "damned Ruskies") , fake religion ("ecumenism") , fake economy (moneylaundering careers) and fake money (fiat dollars).  This is, generally speaking, the abomination of desolation spoken of by Our Lord Jesus Christ.  (Specifically, He was referring to the Novus Ordo Missae, but that's a topic for another post at another blog.)  But let me expound on the fake economy.  We live in a world where traditional trades and occupations have been gutted.  Nobody farms anymore.  Nobody knows how to raise chickens and tend crops.  Nobody knows how to plaster a wall or embroider.  Nobody knows how to build beautiful houses.  We live in a cardboard and plasticized world. 
    The collapse will simply be tradition re-asserting itself.  The collapse is occurring now,  people are just not looking in the right places.  Stop being fixated on the stock market and gold prices, neither of which is real.  The stock markets are predicated either on companies that are not real (Facebook and Amazon have not made a thin dime of profit since their inception, yet have a market cap of over 10 billion between the two of them) or companies that are crime syndicates (Like Boeing, which spent trillions developing a plane that does not work).  Ask the people in Greece and Venezuela what a collapse looks like.  It looks like people starving to death.  A month a ago the UN projected that 200 million people would starve by this summer.  The only real problem with Greece and Venezuela is they are looking for the government to help them, and that is why they riot. 
    If a person wants to avoid the collapse, they need to rediscover tradition.  ...
    [Above is a post I put on a youtube video about economics.]
    The vast majority of people will make the fatal mistake that the Russians and United States really are in competition over raw materials (oil, copper, iron, wood, farmland, etc.).  Nothing could be further from the truth.  WW3, like WW2, is an orchestrated dog-and-pony show to destroy what little remains of traditional culture.  But to understand how we got here, we must go back to the source.
    I told a priest last year that the fundamental tenant of modernism is not what Pius X wrote in Pascendi.  The fundamental tenant of modernism is the harmony of dichotomy, where a person lives in opposition to himself without even knowing it.  Most people, for instance, see no relationship between their religion and their job.  They go to church on Sunday with one set of moral standards, and apply another when they are on the job on Monday.  (It is like being a wolf and a cat at different times.)  The social corollary is ecumenism.  Nice Muslims and Catholics and Jews can all get along, so long as being "nice" means adapting the tenants of secular humanism and checking core beliefs at the door of the temple... but enough preaching to the choir.
    Of course, there is a connection between WW3 and Our Lady of Fatima.  And that is where I am going to circle back to the "New Mass".  The promulgation of the Novus Ordo was the greatest evil of the 20th century, making Paul VI the worst pope, even worse than JPII and Pope Frantic, because he still clearly had the light of the Holy Ghost even in his promulgation.  The roots of the New Mass go back to Pius XII.  It was he who appointed the Great Architect, Annibale Bugnini, to head a liturgical commission in 1947 (the same year Sgt Pepper taught the band to play, for you Yellow Submarine fans.).  The result was the "Holy Week Reforms", all of which have a decidedly Novus Ordo flavor, which were most certainly not a restoration ('twas the Council of Trent, a true "supercouncil" that did that.), and other damage to the calendar, such as the feast of "St Joseph the Worker", abolition of octaves and fast days, and etc.  Our Lady of La Salette had said "by degrees Rome would lose the Faith and become the seat of Antichrist".  Too bad Pius IX did not take her more seriously.
    At any rate, as many know, the New Mass emphasizes the "banquet aspect of the Mass" (which is a misnomer, because the Communion of the Faithful is not really a part of the Mass, but I will not bore the audience with nerdy theology.)  It is, moreover, catagorically invalid, as it lacks a proper offertory, separation of the Sacred Species, and Epiclesis, just to name three of the major problems.  This is what makes it a desolation.  And this is what makes it an abomination.  While I cannot say with certainty that the Novus Ordo is the Abomination of Desolation spoken of by Daniel the Prophet, it certainly fills the bill, and could be an approximate precursor.  (This of course, is the Novus Ordo said in Latin, with all the bells and smells and proper rubrics.  Only a moron would say that the hot and cold running sacrileges one sees at a typical Novus Ordo parish, which would make Luther blush...)
    But what truly is the Mass?  Forget the theological jargon.  The Mass is the Foot of the Cross.  The Mass is not merely the representation of Calvary, the Mass IS Calvary.  That is because the Mass exists in eternity and not in time.  The Preces for Corpus Christi, read during Benediction and Exposition, refers to the Blessed Sacrament as a "Memorial of the Passion".  That is why the Mass was prefigured by Passover, and Isaac, and so many others.  And that is why the Mass is offered "from the rising of the sun to its going down..."  And so the Mass is a propitiatory sacrifice, a constant offering, a continuous offering for the continuous sins of the world. 
    And who do we find at the foot of the cross?  In the theophany which Sr Lucia saw at Pontevedra Our Lady was at the foot of the Cross.  And what is she doing there?  To understand that we must understand her sorrows.  [And what does all this have to do with WW3?  Patience, I will get there.]
    You will recall that at her first sorrow (and if you don't know the Sorrows of Our Lady... shame on you!) Simeon said that: "And thy own soul a sword shall pierce, that, out of many hearts, thoughts may be revealed."  (This, by the way, alludes to: "For this is my blood of the new testament, which shall be shed for many unto remission of sins.")  Now, this first sorrow was not just a blip on the radar that disappeared the moment Our Lady and St Joseph descended the Temple Mount.  Rather, this sorrow was an ongoing "angst" (the Germans have much better words for worry and fear and anguish than we do) that continues to this day.  Recall that Our Lady wept at La Salette, and that at Fatima Lucia reported that "she was always sad..."  And why does Our Lady weep?  Beginners think it is over the sufferings of her Son.  No dear reader, Our Lady weeps for you and over your sins.  Our Lady shed not a tear for her son.  She had perfect faith, and knew her Son's mission.  Saints have said that if the Romans had not nailed Our Lord to the Cross, Our Lady would have done it, and happily. 
    So what was Our Lady doing at the foot of the Cross.  Was she merely some pansy wallflower as depicted by Zepherelli, or was she the daughter of Conan as depicted by Gibson?  She was neither.  At the Foot of the Cross Our Lady and Our Lord had a conversation about you and me and every human creature from Adam to Zebenezer, who will be born 30 seconds before the world ends (or maybe a little later).  They had this conversation in time and eternity, at the foot of the cross and before the world began (which is why we were as responsible for the original sin as Adam, and why we paid the price alongside him) and even to this day.  And each of sins was discussed, and the remedy for each discussed, and Our Lady weeping because despite all her lamentations and pleadings the majority of men would coldly turn away and drop into the abyss of hell.  Our lady's sorrows are a one for one correspondence to Our Lord's passion, which is why they are infinite.  (Some saints have said that were Our Lady's sorrows distributed in speciae from every creature from Lucifer through archangels through men through timber wolves through ants down to oak trees, everything would instantly be annihilated.)
    So Our Lady is at the foot of the Cross of the True Mass, but missing at the New Mass, which means a desecration of truth.  And this is what we have seen since the New Mass was instituted.  We have seen the annihilation of Truth because we have seen the annihilation of grace and mercy, which comes only through Our Lady because she is Co-redemptrix and Mediatrix of all Graces. (as in each and every one, including the Consecration at Mass, which occurs but through her, which is why Christmas is such a big deal, because Christ only becomes incarnate through her, which is why at Lourdes she said "I AM the Immaculate Conception.) (And if Pius XII would have been paying attention, he would have solemnly defined, but he was too busy succumbing to Americanism and Ecumenism.)  And because we are missing Our Lady, the Faith has corroded, the priests are lost stewards and pastors falling into the pits of relativism and irrelevance, as they show daily in their sermons, and the Church is splintered into a million shards, and families are utterly destroyed, and etc.
    AND THAT IS WHY FATIMA IS THE SOLUTION.  In Japan, shortly after the death of St Francis Xavier, all the priests were martyred, but the people kept the faith for over a century by the prayers of the Rosary.  That was a precursor for our times.  When WW3 hits, what will we have left, but the rosary?  Even in Traditional Catholic communities, they are not prepared to make bread, nor grow wine.  When supply chains collapse, the Mass will collapse, even if the priests are not hunted down.  But, of course, they will be hunted down, and blamed by society for a multitude of evils (not without cause, for the Vatican is incredibly corrupt- more corrupt than Sodom- as "Pizzagate" shows.) 
    Little Jacinta saw it perfectly: "Don't you see all those roads and fields full of people, crying because they have nothing to eat?"  We have had those words for well nigh 100 years, but nobody pays attention, because they think somebody is going to save them, whether it be pope or president or bishop or priest.
    The only question left is, when the people are rocks at the "Holy Father", will he have deserved it?
    Our Lady of Fatima Pray for us you are our only hope!

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    Re: WW3 will be a fake war.
    « Reply #1 on: May 12, 2017, 01:27:51 AM »
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    Nobody farms anymore.  Nobody knows how to raise chickens and tend crops.  Nobody knows how to plaster a wall or embroider.  Nobody knows how to build beautiful houses.  
    Do you know how to do those things? Do you do them?

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    Re: WW3 will be a fake war.
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  • White Wolf, what the devil are you rambling on about?
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    Re: WW3 will be a fake war.
    « Reply #3 on: May 12, 2017, 11:32:00 AM »
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  • We live in a fake world... Fake news, fake weather (chemtrails) , fake wars (Those "damned Ruskies") , fake religion ("ecumenism") , fake economy (moneylaundering careers) and fake money (fiat dollars).  This is, generally speaking, the abomination of desolation spoken of by Our Lord Jesus Christ.  (Specifically, He was referring to the Novus Ordo Missae, but that's a topic for another post at another blog.)  But let me expound on the fake economy.  We live in a world where traditional trades and occupations have been gutted.  Nobody farms anymore.  Nobody knows how to raise chickens and tend crops.  Nobody knows how to plaster a wall or embroider.  Nobody knows how to build beautiful houses.  We live in a cardboard and plasticized world.  
    The collapse will simply be tradition re-asserting itself.  The collapse is occurring now,  people are just not looking in the right places.  Stop being fixated on the stock market and gold prices, neither of which is real.  The stock markets are predicated either on companies that are not real (Facebook and Amazon have not made a thin dime of profit since their inception, yet have a market cap of over 10 billion between the two of them) or companies that are crime syndicates (Like Boeing, which spent trillions developing a plane that does not work).  Ask the people in Greece and Venezuela what a collapse looks like.  It looks like people starving to death.  A month a ago the UN projected that 200 million people would starve by this summer.  The only real problem with Greece and Venezuela is they are looking for the government to help them, and that is why they riot.  
    If a person wants to avoid the collapse, they need to rediscover tradition.  ...
    [Above is a post I put on a youtube video about economics.]
    The vast majority of people will make the fatal mistake that the Russians and United States really are in competition over raw materials (oil, copper, iron, wood, farmland, etc.).  Nothing could be further from the truth.  WW3, like WW2, is an orchestrated dog-and-pony show to destroy what little remains of traditional culture.  But to understand how we got here, we must go back to the source.
    I told a priest last year that the fundamental tenant of modernism is not what Pius X wrote in Pascendi.  The fundamental tenant of modernism is the harmony of dichotomy, where a person lives in opposition to himself without even knowing it.  Most people, for instance, see no relationship between their religion and their job.  They go to church on Sunday with one set of moral standards, and apply another when they are on the job on Monday.  (It is like being a wolf and a cat at different times.)  The social corollary is ecumenism.  Nice Muslims and Catholics and Jews can all get along, so long as being "nice" means adapting the tenants of secular humanism and checking core beliefs at the door of the temple... but enough preaching to the choir.
    Of course, there is a connection between WW3 and Our Lady of Fatima.  And that is where I am going to circle back to the "New Mass".  The promulgation of the Novus Ordo was the greatest evil of the 20th century, making Paul VI the worst pope, even worse than JPII and Pope Frantic, because he still clearly had the light of the Holy Ghost even in his promulgation.  The roots of the New Mass go back to Pius XII.  It was he who appointed the Great Architect, Annibale Bugnini, to head a liturgical commission in 1947 (the same year Sgt Pepper taught the band to play, for you Yellow Submarine fans.).  The result was the "Holy Week Reforms", all of which have a decidedly Novus Ordo flavor, which were most certainly not a restoration ('twas the Council of Trent, a true "supercouncil" that did that.), and other damage to the calendar, such as the feast of "St Joseph the Worker", abolition of octaves and fast days, and etc.  Our Lady of La Salette had said "by degrees Rome would lose the Faith and become the seat of Antichrist".  Too bad Pius IX did not take her more seriously.
    At any rate, as many know, the New Mass emphasizes the "banquet aspect of the Mass" (which is a misnomer, because the Communion of the Faithful is not really a part of the Mass, but I will not bore the audience with nerdy theology.)  It is, moreover, catagorically invalid, as it lacks a proper offertory, separation of the Sacred Species, and Epiclesis, just to name three of the major problems.  This is what makes it a desolation.  And this is what makes it an abomination.  While I cannot say with certainty that the Novus Ordo is the Abomination of Desolation spoken of by Daniel the Prophet, it certainly fills the bill, and could be an approximate precursor.  (This of course, is the Novus Ordo said in Latin, with all the bells and smells and proper rubrics.  Only a moron would say that the hot and cold running sacrileges one sees at a typical Novus Ordo parish, which would make Luther blush...)
    But what truly is the Mass?  Forget the theological jargon.  The Mass is the Foot of the Cross.  The Mass is not merely the representation of Calvary, the Mass IS Calvary.  That is because the Mass exists in eternity and not in time.  The Preces for Corpus Christi, read during Benediction and Exposition, refers to the Blessed Sacrament as a "Memorial of the Passion".  That is why the Mass was prefigured by Passover, and Isaac, and so many others.  And that is why the Mass is offered "from the rising of the sun to its going down..."  And so the Mass is a propitiatory sacrifice, a constant offering, a continuous offering for the continuous sins of the world.  
    And who do we find at the foot of the cross?  In the theophany which Sr Lucia saw at Pontevedra Our Lady was at the foot of the Cross.  And what is she doing there?  To understand that we must understand her sorrows.  [And what does all this have to do with WW3?  Patience, I will get there.]
    You will recall that at her first sorrow (and if you don't know the Sorrows of Our Lady... shame on you!) Simeon said that: "And thy own soul a sword shall pierce, that, out of many hearts, thoughts may be revealed."  (This, by the way, alludes to: "For this is my blood of the new testament, which shall be shed for many unto remission of sins.")  Now, this first sorrow was not just a blip on the radar that disappeared the moment Our Lady and St Joseph descended the Temple Mount.  Rather, this sorrow was an ongoing "angst" (the Germans have much better words for worry and fear and anguish than we do) that continues to this day.  Recall that Our Lady wept at La Salette, and that at Fatima Lucia reported that "she was always sad..."  And why does Our Lady weep?  Beginners think it is over the sufferings of her Son.  No dear reader, Our Lady weeps for you and over your sins.  Our Lady shed not a tear for her son.  She had perfect faith, and knew her Son's mission.  Saints have said that if the Romans had not nailed Our Lord to the Cross, Our Lady would have done it, and happily.  
    So what was Our Lady doing at the foot of the Cross.  Was she merely some pansy wallflower as depicted by Zepherelli, or was she the daughter of Conan as depicted by Gibson?  She was neither.  At the Foot of the Cross Our Lady and Our Lord had a conversation about you and me and every human creature from Adam to Zebenezer, who will be born 30 seconds before the world ends (or maybe a little later).  They had this conversation in time and eternity, at the foot of the cross and before the world began (which is why we were as responsible for the original sin as Adam, and why we paid the price alongside him) and even to this day.  And each of sins was discussed, and the remedy for each discussed, and Our Lady weeping because despite all her lamentations and pleadings the majority of men would coldly turn away and drop into the abyss of hell.  Our lady's sorrows are a one for one correspondence to Our Lord's passion, which is why they are infinite.  (Some saints have said that were Our Lady's sorrows distributed in speciae from every creature from Lucifer through archangels through men through timber wolves through ants down to oak trees, everything would instantly be annihilated.)
    So Our Lady is at the foot of the Cross of the True Mass, but missing at the New Mass, which means a desecration of truth.  And this is what we have seen since the New Mass was instituted.  We have seen the annihilation of Truth because we have seen the annihilation of grace and mercy, which comes only through Our Lady because she is Co-redemptrix and Mediatrix of all Graces. (as in each and every one, including the Consecration at Mass, which occurs but through her, which is why Christmas is such a big deal, because Christ only becomes incarnate through her, which is why at Lourdes she said "I AM the Immaculate Conception.) (And if Pius XII would have been paying attention, he would have solemnly defined, but he was too busy succumbing to Americanism and Ecumenism.)  And because we are missing Our Lady, the Faith has corroded, the priests are lost stewards and pastors falling into the pits of relativism and irrelevance, as they show daily in their sermons, and the Church is splintered into a million shards, and families are utterly destroyed, and etc.
    AND THAT IS WHY FATIMA IS THE SOLUTION.  In Japan, shortly after the death of St Francis Xavier, all the priests were martyred, but the people kept the faith for over a century by the prayers of the Rosary.  That was a precursor for our times.  When WW3 hits, what will we have left, but the rosary?  Even in Traditional Catholic communities, they are not prepared to make bread, nor grow wine.  When supply chains collapse, the Mass will collapse, even if the priests are not hunted down.  But, of course, they will be hunted down, and blamed by society for a multitude of evils (not without cause, for the Vatican is incredibly corrupt- more corrupt than Sodom- as "Pizzagate" shows.)  
    Little Jacinta saw it perfectly: "Don't you see all those roads and fields full of people, crying because they have nothing to eat?"  We have had those words for well nigh 100 years, but nobody pays attention, because they think somebody is going to save them, whether it be pope or president or bishop or priest.
    The only question left is, when the people are rocks at the "Holy Father", will he have deserved it?
    This poster is trashing Pius IX, X & XII while at the same time telling us that Paul VI was actually a true Pope.
    Most of us here know that all the v2 pretenders that have occupied the chair of Peter since 1958 are in truth anti-popes. :sleep:
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    Kudos to proofreaders...
    « Reply #4 on: May 13, 2017, 08:50:39 PM »
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  • I have been confusing tenant and tenet.  I do know the difference between the two.

    Yes, I can raise chickens and tend crops.  I have no chickens here, but when the powers-that-be have bigger fish to fry I will be getting them.  I have pumpkins and lettuce and spices and will soon have potatoes.  I also know which weeds are readily edible in a real crisis, and also know how to cook over an open fire.  I have an immunity to the creek water and so don't need all that crap the "survivalists" are stocking up on.  The biggest laugh is all those dummies who are buying generators.  And where do they propose to get their fuel once SHTF?  And Dave Hodges is talking about the need for "night vision goggles".  For what?  So you can beat your neighbors to the horde?  Our Lady and my trusty Husky will still be there when the NWO fails.

    Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us, you are our only hope.
    Our Lady of Fatima Pray for us you are our only hope!


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    Re: WW3 will be a fake war.
    « Reply #5 on: May 13, 2017, 09:16:07 PM »
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  • We live in a fake world... Fake news, fake weather (chemtrails) , fake wars (Those "damned Ruskies") , fake religion ("ecumenism") , fake economy (moneylaundering careers) and fake money (fiat dollars).  
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    So,,,,,,,,, when a man dies in this "fake WW3" will it be a fake death?
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    Re: WW3 will be a fake war.
    « Reply #6 on: May 13, 2017, 09:38:58 PM »
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    Twenty years to the day before Sgt. Pepper would have been June 1st, 1947.


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    The roots of the New Mass go back to Pius XII.  It was he who appointed the Great Architect, Annibale Bugnini, to head a liturgical commission in 1947 (the same year Sgt Pepper taught the band to play, for you Yellow Submarine fans.).  
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    Make that "you Sgt. Pepper fans." The song, Yellow Submarine, was first released in England in 1966, but it was released on a different album in the USA, "Yellow Submarine," 13 November 1968. 

    Released June 1st, 1967:  "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band"

    It was twenty years ago today
    Sgt. Pepper taught the band to play
    They've been going in and out of style
    But they're guaranteed to raise a smile
    So may I introduce to you
    The act you've known for all these years
    Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band

    We're Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
    We hope you will enjoy the show
    We're Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
    Sit back and let the evening go
    Sgt. Pepper's lonely, Sgt. Pepper's lonely
    Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band

    It's wonderful to be here
    It's certainly a thrill
    You're such a lovely audience
    We'd like to take you home with us
    We'd love to take you home

    I don't really want to stop the show
    But I thought that you might like to know
    That the singer's going to sing a song
    And he wants you all to sing along
    So let me introduce to you
    The one and only Billy Shears
    And Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
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    Re: WW3 will be a fake war.
    « Reply #7 on: May 13, 2017, 11:27:52 PM »
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  • John describes S Pepper as ' the biggest load of crap we ever did'.

    Ringo says it is his least fav

    Fetzer says that Paul was replaced by ' an even better musician'....

    Sorry Jim but Paul & Johns best work was by far the early stuff. :cheers:

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    WW3 will be a fake war.
    « Reply #8 on: May 16, 2017, 04:12:08 PM »
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  • One tries to start a serious discussion, and the thread devolves into a commentary on Sgt Pepper... :facepalm:

    I think one of the Beatles had this famous quote... "One day we'll be more popular than Jesus Christ..."  I think he was off just a tad.

    What I meant by the fact that WW3 will be a fake war is not that it will not ravage the earth (it will), but that people will be very confused about actual events.  The Russians are not really mad at Washington, heck, they practically controlled Roosevelt.  If Roosevelt would have been a card-carrying member of the commie party he could not have done a better job at Yalta at handing off the world to Stalin on a silver platter.  The cold war was also a fake war.  All through it trade to the Russians was brisk, and they had no trouble acquiring our atomic technology that went to Russia on trucks down the Alaska Highway, why else do you think we built the four billion dollar road to nowhere... travel the highway sometime, and be amazed...  I was going to head down it many years ago but events made the trip impossible.  WW3 is being orchestrated by all the major powers, just as it is now being proven that the US and Japan orchestrated the Pacific theatre of WW2.  Yes, the deaths were real, but the elites knew the outcome the minute the first bomb fell on Pearl Harbor.

    My reply to Roscoe is that "sedevacantism" is a copout.  Not that I am going to get into an argument on is the pope the pope not the pope.  I think such arguments are 100% counterproductive because they are unsolvable.  But many "sedevacantists" see Pius XII and his predecessors as 100% perfect and John XXIII on as 100% bad.  Sorry but I think such logic is stupid and stifles clear thinking.  Vatican II and the "New Mess" did not fall out of a clear blue sky.  If you read Fr Dormann (something) about the popes and the liturgy and do other research (I think the SSPX stifled his work because they did not like where that was headed) you will find that what hit the US in the 60's and 70's was in full blossom in Germany in the '20's and '30's, right down to masses in the vernacular and facing the people.  (WHY DO YOU THINK HIPPIES DROVE VOLKSWAGONS, for crying out loud?)  I have done extensive research on the topic.  I know who the protoges of Bugnini and the gang are, people like Fr Odo.  My opinions are based on facts, not the superficial thinking of the '50's fogies in the immediate aftermath of Vatican II and Pope Paul's New Mass.  The New Mass was a mess whether or not Paul VI was a pope, end of story.

    The $64,000 dollar question I have for the "sedevacantists" is:  How will the Holy Father inaugurate the Collegial Consecration of Russia if he is not there to begin with.  Also, how will we know when we again have a Holy Father?  Now, don't get me wrong, I am no fan of Pope Benedict or "Pope Frantic" (if there is such a thing as a walking, talking abomination, this is it.) and would not touch either with a ten foot pole.  Pope Benedict was a desperate attempt by the Vatican to show it is still Catholic, and pope frantic was a frantic attempt by the modernists to show they had not abandoned Vatican II.  I really don't pay much attention to neither, and I am not going to be able to once all the copper melts and there is no more internet...

    But at any rate I'd appreciate input from the "sedevacantist" gallery on that question, especially in light of what Sr Lucia said that "It will never be too late to have recourse to the Holy Hearts of Jesus and Mary."

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    Re: WW3 will be a fake war.
    « Reply #9 on: May 16, 2017, 05:35:34 PM »
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    The $64,000 dollar question I have for the "sedevacantists" is:  How will the Holy Father inaugurate the Collegial Consecration of Russia if he is not there to begin with.  Also, how will we know when we again have a Holy Father?  Now, don't get me wrong, I am no fan of Pope Benedict or "Pope Frantic" (if there is such a thing as a walking, talking abomination, this is it.) and would not touch either with a ten foot pole.  Pope Benedict was a desperate attempt by the Vatican to show it is still Catholic, and pope frantic was a frantic attempt by the modernists to show they had not abandoned Vatican II....

    But at any rate I'd appreciate input from the "sedevacantist" gallery on that question, especially in light of what Sr Lucia said that "It will never be too late to have recourse to the Holy Hearts of Jesus and Mary."

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    The Collegial Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary does not require as a prerequisite the approval of those who deny the Chair of Peter is occupied. 
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    As far as that goes, once the Consecration happens, and Russia is converted, and a period of peace ensues, the sedevacantists might continue to disbelieve that the Consecration was accepted by God, and/or that there is no period of peace in progress.
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    I know for a fact that a certain prominent sedevacantist cleric (who is influential in formation of the outlook of hundreds of Catholics today) doesn't think that the Collegial Consecration will EVER happen since it would have to conflict with his primary maxim that the Chair is vacant.  For many of the sedes, that a priori principle is more important than just about anything else, sort of like flat-earthism to the flat-earthers.
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    Nor does he think that there ever will be another pope, due to the fact that all the bishops and especially the cardinals of the world are wholly Modernist and are therefore apostate. It seems to evoke a "dug-in" mentality that smacks of schism. It appears to deny the power of God to evoke a miraculous change. 
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    Sedevacantism: The easy way out.
    « Reply #10 on: May 19, 2017, 12:54:57 AM »
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  • Sedevacantism is actually, believe it or not, an ultimate expression of "papolitry".  Many sedevacantists live in an imaginary perfect world where this chasm exists between Pius XII and John XXIII.  Elsewhere I am going to catalog the problems with Pius XII, who in many ways was worse than "good pope John".  Many "Sedes" ultimately see the problems of Pius XII, Pius XI... and some reject all the popes going back to Gregory XVI!  Rather than trying to submit reality to our vision, we have to submit our vision to reality.  My reply to the whole issue is this:  If the pope occupies the seat, may God keep him there, and if does not, may God put him there.  (A paraphrase of the reply of St Joan of Arc when asked if she was in the state of grace.)  Many sedevacantists become schismatics; they lambaste people who do not hold their views as heretics and end up in their own little cultic communities where they massage each others delusions
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    Re: WW3 will be a fake war.
    « Reply #11 on: May 19, 2017, 05:19:17 AM »
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  • It all comes down to whether you hold to " a Heretic can command The Holy Roman Catholic Church".

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    Can an apostate govern the church??
    « Reply #12 on: May 20, 2017, 01:24:14 AM »
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  • Paul VI was a total apostate.  Trouble is it is so hard to prove it.  Who can know the human heart?  Its depths are more profound than the depths of the ocean.
    Lucifer is an angel.  Consider angelic powers...  If Lucifer saw a car in the dealers lot... just by looking at it he could tell you the day it rolled off the assembly line, how many cars preceded it... the day the head gasket would give out... how many ounces the engine block is off from the engineering mass mean...
    He has had two thousand years to hone his strategy and he knows his time is short, give the guy credit.
    If only popes were like those action figures where you knew Vader from SKywalker, Kirk from Klingons...
    Trouble is the human race is dynamic, not static...
    But in the end, the Immaculate Heart will triumph.
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    Re: WW3 will be a fake war.
    « Reply #13 on: May 20, 2017, 08:04:09 AM »
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  • While we're attempting to pry open supernatural mysteries (which we can't hope to solve by our human efforts), why not wrack our brains trying to understand how God is a Trinity? Or try to understand Eternity?

    Come on, if we can understand, work out, and completely figure out with our human reason the Crisis in the Church, we might as well try to tackle the big supernatural mysteries of the Faith as well.

    Of course I'm joking. Count me out -- of all such vain efforts. Including trying to wrap my brain around the Crisis in the Church, of course. That's the main point I'm getting at.
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    Words mean things...
    « Reply #14 on: May 21, 2017, 03:05:21 AM »
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  • We live in an Orwellian nightmare.  One of the things that Orwell got spot on was the idea of Newspeak, which is the substitution of vague euphemisms for ontological realities.  Just a few examples...
    Sodomy is now referred to as "Same sex marriage".  (Love to see how that would work out in wolf packs.  :P)

    Trucks that cut down and grind up trees are labeled: "Tree preservation Service".  (I am not making this up.)

    Old people are referred to as "senior citizens".

    Retarded people are referred to as "mentally challenged"....

    The "department of war" is now called the "department of defense"...

    The emergency spillway at Oroville was relabeled "The auxillary spillway"...

    The doles are called "wellfare services"...

    Torture is called "Pain compliance management"...

    Policemen are called "peace officers"...

    and etc...

    So now we come to "The crisis in the Church" as though the Great Apostasy was some sort of spiritual mechanical problem or an insoluble dilemma for which we must call in the experts.  This goes in tandem with the ocean of psychobabble which has flooded humanity since the end of the WW2.  If we want to reduce the human race to science and psychology, then we are all German Shepherds, and might as well behave like German Shepherds. [Psychological concepts work very on dogs, who do, it appears (And I am strapping on my helmet for this one, because I know full well what St Thomas Aquinas said, and I respectfully disagree with him, because the whole concept of "instinct" has been overthrown along with the ancient sailor fear of sailing off the edge of the earth...) have a reason and intellect but no free will.  So if you really think you are a German Shepherd and need to be treated for "depression" because you really don't want to separate yourself from this pagan culture...]

    Years ago at Novus Ordo I saw a film strip called Warm Fuzzies and Cold Pricklies. I got the point, even though I wasn't ten years old.  People who don't wrap up painful concepts in cuddly euphemisms are guilty of the "cold pricklies".  And of course the most horrible thing was to be "judgmental."  

    While  I do not advocate the indiscriminate use of "truth bombs" and realize tact is called for in certain situations, the ultimate question is the salvation of souls.  That was why Archbishop Lefebrve told the Vatican in so many words to take a long walk off a short pier he was going to consecrate bishops...

    Yes, the Mystery of Iniquity is indeed a mystery, but that does not negate the fact that roughly 80% of the prophecies in the Old Testament are devoted to it.  Our Lady worked the Great Miracle of the Sun at Fatima to tell us something.  Amazing that the vast majority of humanity doesn't get it, even though we are about to be deprived of Mass and Sacraments and Hierarchy...

    "One day through the rosary and the scapular, I will save the world"  (Our Lady to that St Dominic guy...)
    "I AM the Immaculate Conception" Our Lady of Lourdes.  (Amazing how Lourdes flooded when the "relics" of "St JPII" were brought there.  Probably from the flood of tears from the Mother of Sorrows- I wonder if the water was tested for salinity...)
    "She is the Daughter of the Father, the Mother of the Son, and the Spouse of the Holy Ghost..."  (St Louis Marie de Montfort.  Also recapitulated in the prayers to Mother Marianna of Our Lady of Good Success.) (And a great insight into the mystery of the Trinity....)

     
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