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Offline St Ignatius

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World War 3...
« on: November 30, 2016, 10:55:07 AM »
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  • So... the "Masters didn't get Killary,  so is this the next move by the World Jєωs to get their war with Russia?

    Turkey Has Declared War On Syria – Does This Mean That World War 3 Is About To Erupt In The Middle East?

     By Michael Snyder, on November 29th, 2016

    Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has just announced that the only reason Turkish military forces have entered northern Syria is to“end the rule of the tyrant al-Assad”.  By publicly proclaiming that Turkey intends to use military force to overthrow the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, Erdogan has essentially declared war on the Syrian government.  Of course this puts a member of NATO in direct military conflict with Russia, since Russia is working very hard to prop up the Assad regime.  If all-out war breaks out between Turkey and Russia, could that be the spark that causes World War 3 to erupt in the Middle East?  And once Turkey and Russia start fighting, would the United States and the rest of NATO be dragged into the conflict?

    The big mainstream news networks in the western world are almost completely ignoring what Erdogan said on Tuesday, but without a doubt this is major news.  The following comes from a Turkish news source…

    The Turkish military launched its operations in Syria to end the rule of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, President Recep Tayyip Erdo?an said Nov. 29.

    “In my estimation, nearly 1 million people have died in Syria. These deaths are still continuing without exception for children, women and men. Where is the United Nations? What is it doing? Is it in Iraq? No. We preached patience but could not endure in the end and had to enter Syria together with the Free Syrian Army [FSA],” Erdo?an said at the first Inter-Parliamentary Jerusalem Platform Symposium in Istanbul.

    Turkish military forces initially invaded northern Syria on August 24th, and at the time we were all told that the purpose of the invasion was to “fight ISIS”, but now Erdogan is telling us something completely different.

    Breitbart is one of the few U.S. news outlets that is reporting on this story, and I want you to read the following quotes from Erdogan that come from a Breitbart article that was posted on Tuesday very, very carefully…

    “Why did we enter? We do not have an eye on Syrian soil. The issue is to provide lands to their real owners. That is to say we are there for the establishment of justice. We entered there to end the rule of the tyrant al-Assad who terrorizes with state terror,” Erdogan continued, insisting his forces were not in Syria for “any other reason.”

    The Daily Sabahnotes that Erdogan spoke with Russian President Vladimir Putin about Syria during two telephone calls last week. Since Russia launched a massive military operation to secure Bashar Assad in power, Putin would presumably have been interested in anything Erdogan had to say about toppling the regime in Damascus, and probably would not have kept quiet about it.

    If the Turkish military is only in Syria to end the Assad regime, then presumably they will stay there until the job is done.

    And this puts Turkey into a direct military conflict with Russia, Iran and Hezbollah since all three of them are already fighting very hard to help the Assad regime.

    Of course there is another reason why Turkey is in northern Syria, and that is to fight the Kurds.  In fact, the Kurds and Turkey are both rushing to capture a little city northeast of Aleppo called al-Bab which is currently controlled by the Islamic State…

    Their immediate challenge is securing al-Bab, an Islamic State-held city northeast of Aleppo which Kurdish-led fighters are racing to take, and which lies close to the front lines of Assad’s allies.

    Turkish-backed forces have made rapid gains since August, but largely through less heavily populated areas. Urban warfare around al-Bab is already taking a heavier toll. Five Turkish soldiers have been killed in the past week alone, three of them in a suspected Syrian government air strike.

    “Right now the question is whether Russia will allow Turkey to seize al-Bab,” said the Muntasir Billah Brigade official.

    But most people in the western world don’t know that Turkish soldiers are already dying in Syria.

    Here in the United States, tens of millions of Americans are hailing a new era of “peace and prosperity” now that Donald Trump has won the election, but the truth is that one false move in Syria could easily raise tensions between the United States and Russia to the highest level that we have seen since the Cuban missile crisis back in the 1960s.

    If Erdogan would have just stayed out of Syria we wouldn’t be in such a precarious situation.  Unfortunately, the president of Turkey is a narcissistic lunatic, and he dreams of a day when the old Ottoman Empire will once again be restored.

    But his delusions of greatness threaten to make the Middle East even more unstable than it already has been.  In addition to his remarks above, on Tuesday Erdogan also called on all Muslims globally “to embrace the Palestinian cause and protect Jerusalem”…

    Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has urged Muslims to defend the Palestinian cause, striking a tough stance on Israel despite improved ties between the two nations.

    The president of majority Muslim Turkey said Tuesday that “it is the common duty of all Muslims to embrace the Palestinian cause and protect Jerusalem” and that safeguarding the Al-Aqsa Mosque should not be left to children armed with nothing but stones. Located in the Old City of Jerusalem, the hilltop compound is sacred to Muslims and Jєωs.

    Most people in the western world pay very little attention to Erdogan, but the truth is that he is a madman that is often referred to as “Turkey’s version of Adolf Hitler”.  He is extremely ambitious, extremely nationalistic, and he is a warmonger.  That is a very dangerous combination, and I believe that it is only a matter of time before he starts a major war in the Middle East.

    Somebody needs to get this guy under control, but unfortunately the Obama administration has been very hesitant to confront Erdogan about his outrageous behavior.

    When Erdogan openly stated that the Turkish military is in Syria to overthrow the Assad regime on Tuesday, that was like lighting a match in a room that has already been doused with propane.

    He needs to immediately retract those comments, because his unique brand of lunacy has now brought us dangerously close to the start of World War 3.

    http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/turkey-has-declared-war-on-syria-does-this-mean-that-world-war-3-is-about-to-erupt-in-the-middle-east


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    World War 3...
    « Reply #1 on: December 01, 2016, 10:57:40 AM »
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    Erdogan strikes me as the classic bully who thrives when preying on the weak (jailing journalists, and critics from the intelligentsia), only to get a bit too cocky and have an 'oh s**t I went too far' moment (shooting down a Russian warplane), and realize he better do some ass kissing (immediate apology to Putin and seek rapprochement) before he finds his head on a pike in Ankara.

    Just look at him the last couple of weeks. On the one hand there is his rhetoric and bluster; on the other he's got Putin on the hotline grovelling, 'I don't really mean that. I am really only concerned about the Kurds in Syria. Is that OK, Vlad? Can I call you Vlad? We're friends, right? I hate it when you are silent. Vlad? Mr. Putin?'


    The ruling elites want to get WW3 going one way or another before Trump
    takes Office and he will be stuck with it.  The media will blame Russia
    through their fake news manufactured by the government.
    WW3 is not for America to win and Russia to lose or versus.
    The purpose of WW3 is to greatly reduce the world's population in which
    the elites see as useless eaters. And, to bring in the one world communist
    government ruled by absolute terror.  


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    World War 3...
    « Reply #2 on: December 04, 2016, 11:14:11 AM »
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  • It seems that Putin defused yet another act of aggression...

    http://www.moonofalabama.org/2016/12/putin-again-disciplines-the-wannabe-sultan.html

    December 01, 2016

    Russia Again Disciplines The Wannabe Sultan

    The Russians just gave (again) a public lecture of how to handle the wannabe-Sultan Erdogan.

    Turkey entered Syria to end al-Assad’s rule: President Erdo?an  - November 29

    The Turkish military launched its operations in Syria to end the rule of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, President Recep Tayyip Erdo?an said Nov. 29.

    “In my estimation, nearly 1 million people have died in Syria. These deaths are still continuing without exception for children, women and men. Where is the United Nations? What is it doing? Is it in Iraq? No. We preached patience but could not endure in the end and had to enter Syria together with the Free Syrian Army [FSA],” Erdo?an said at the first Inter-Parliamentary Jerusalem Platform Symposium in Istanbul.

    “Why did we enter? We do not have an eye on Syrian soil. The issue is to provide lands to their real owners. That is to say we are there for the establishment of justice. We entered there to end the rule of the tyrant al-Assad who terrorizes with state terror. [We didn’t enter] for any other reason,” the president said.

    If Turkish troops were in Syria to remove its President, instead with the flimsy excuse of fighting ISIS under a badly fitting UN mandate, they would be a hostile invasion force and a legitimate target for Syria and its allies. The remark was thus stupid.  It weakened the Turkish position.

    Erdogan was immediately told so:

    Kremlin asks Erdogan to clarify ‘anti-Assad’ goals in Syria - November 30

    Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s statement that his goal in Syria was to end the rule of Bashar Assad has caused consternation in the Kremlin, with officials saying it contradicted previous assurances and was out of sync with Moscow’s take on the situation.

    "The statement was indeed news, this is a very serious statement. [It] is in discord with the previous [statements] in general and with our understanding of the situation," Russian presidential spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters on Wednesday.

    "We hope that in the near future there will be explanations on this from our Turkish partners," he said, adding thatRussia is the only country whose armed forces are in Syria on a legitimate basis – at the direct request of the Syrian authorities.

    The emphasized part is a hardly hidden direct threat. Erdogan put his forces in Syria into immediate jeopardy.

    Erdogan tried to save the situation, promising a retreat from his statement for at least some gain for the Jihadis he supports.

    Erdogan and Putin discuss #Aleppo for the third time this week: Disagreement over ceasefire? - November 30

    Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdo?an discussed the grave situation in the Syrian city of Aleppo with his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin by phone on Nov. 30 for the third time in a week, with the two “agreeing on the need for a ceasefire,” presidential sources said.

    The sources said the two leaders agreed to step up efforts to stop clashes in Aleppo and deliver humanitarian aid to civilians in the besieged city.

    That was the Turkish version of the call. The Russian statement on that call was sparse and did not mention any ceasefire.

    Thus this translation from Diplomatese:

    "I will take that statement back if you give me a ceasefire deal in Aleppo," Erdogan told President Putin.

    "Screw you," was the response.

    Turkey, Russia see need for Aleppo truce but divisions remain - December 1

    Lavrov said the bƖσσdshɛd must stop in Syria and the region, that Moscow was ready to talk to all parties in the war, and that it would continue cooperating with Turkey. But he also vowed Russia would continue its operations in eastern Aleppo and would rescue the city from what he described as terrorists.

    Erdogan's statement, aimed at his supporters in Turkey and elsewhere, created a legal mess for his troops. The attempt to sell a retreat from it for some gain was harshly rejected by Russia. Now all Erdogan could do was to take his statement back with no gain at all. This was quite a loss of face for him - a well deserved one.

    Operation in Syria only targets terror, Erdo?an clarifies - December 1

    Turkey’s military operation in Syria is not against any country or person but terror groups in general, President Recep Tayyip Erdo?an has said, in contrast to earlier remarks that Turkey’s objective was to topple Syrian President Bashar al-Assad following.

    “The aim of the Euphrates Shield Operation is no country or person but only terror organizations. No one should doubt this issue that we have uttered over and over, and no one should comment on it in another fashion or try to [misrepresent its meaning],” Erdo?an said at a 30th gathering with village chiefs at the Presidential Palace in Ankara on Dec. 1.

    Hahaha - see how that dog pulls its tail between its legs - whining in retreat?

    The game Erdogan tried would probably have worked with Merkel, or some other EU politician. Russia will have none of it. No means no. When Russia says stay out of Al-Bab it means stay out of Al-Bab. With regard to Syria Erdogan now has to do what he is told to do. He was just publicly lectured about that again. Still, I doubt that he really learned the lesson.