Author Topic: What America did to Russia (Read 2911 times)

Traditional Guy 20 · « **on:** April 30, 2012, 01:46:58 AM »

Perhaps if we look back at what the Clinton and Bush II Administrations did to Russia perhaps we can appreciate Putin's anger at "the unipolar world of the United States."

1. Instead of bringing her into NATO and the European Union we froze her out of both. In violation of our understanding with Gorbachev we began to move NATO into the front yard and onto the side porch of Russia by bringing in six former Warsaw nations-East Germany, Poland, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, and Czechoslovakia-and three former Soviet republics-Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia- were brought into a U.S. alliances whose raison d'etre was the containment of Moscow, if necessary by war.

2. After Moscow gave Bush a green light to use the former Soviet republics to base U.S. bases we decided to seek permanent bases.

3. America colluded with Azerbaijan and Georgia to build a Baku-Tiblisi-Ceyhan pipeline to carry Caspian Sea oil around the Caucasus to the Black Sea and Turkey bypassing Russia.

4. The United States bombed Serbia for seventy-eight days to punish that country for fighting to hold on to its province of Kosovo, which Albanian Muslims were tearing away. Recaptured from the Ottoman Turks in 1912, Kosovo has long been regarded as "the cradle of the Serbian nation." And Orthodox Russia had long seen herself as protectress of the Balkan Christians.

5. After helping dump the Milosevic regime in Belgrade, our American Neocomintern-the National Endowment for Democracy, Freedom House, and affiliated fronts-helped oust pro-Russian governments in Ukraine and Georgia and install pro-American ones.

6. The United States has hectored Russia constantly for backsliding on democracy, though compared to Beijing, Moscow is Montpelier, Vermont.

7. When Estonia removed the statue of a Russian soldier and the remains of fourteen Red Army veterans of World War II from the heart of Tallinn to a suburban cemetary, the perceived insult ignited anti-Estonian demonstrations in Russia. In reward for this, Bush invited the Estonian President to the White House.

And people wonder why the United States was hated. :rolleyes: Perhaps because all of the neoconservative blathering about ours being the "unipolar power" and our "Bring em' on!" broggadocio we exhibited an imperial hubris the whole world came to detest. We bellow hypocritically when foreigners pour money in our elections yet we intrude massively in elections overseas to promote our religion of democracy. Even the famous Alexander Solzhenitzyn, whom America gave sanctuary in the Cold War, accused us of encircling and weakening Russia. Putin reacted as any descent Russian nationalist would have.

ysinclair · « **Reply #1 on:** July 08, 2012, 08:39:39 AM »

I will put it to you this way, what Russia has done to America and to the rest of the free world but most importantly to the Holy Catholic Church!
Communist takeover of the World
1 demoralisation of opponents and wide-spread long-term sabotage of morals, religious values and justice.
2 carefully concealed communist military strength and preparedness
3 covert communist takeover of press
4 world-wide communist propaganda promoting "peace" and "peaceful coexistence"
5 wide-spread promotion of pacifism
6 covert takeover of western economy by communist front companies to sabotage economy
7 takeover of entire governments to prevent them from hampering progress of communism
8 sabotage and destruction of enemy system of government and public life
9 communist revolutionary struggle and complete communist takeover

The outcome of this deep communist penetration of a free society is only possible to notice when the Russian led worldwide communist Revolution is about to begin - the economy is either shut down to cause the revolutionary situation to appear more as a genuine civil strife than carefully planned long-term communist strategy and takeover.

The 3rd Secret of Fatima is that the Russian communist criminals, using all state resources for this purpose - to violently install communism around the world- have realised that without the subversion of the Holy Catholic Church there is no way they would be able to subdue and enslave the world, because the know that the Church through her teaching guides people to oppose communism!
The Catholic Church is The Main Enemy of the Communists!!!

You have rather chosen to believe Moscow communist lies than the naked truth- they will take over the world and you will be subdued if you do nothing against it, but only those who remain faithful to God and His true Catholic Church, they will be helped by our Lord and our Blessed Mother and shall gain the victory for Christ the King.
The rest, they will probably be either subdued fully by the communist tyranny and will lose the Faith which they still dare to claim they have (but do not wish to practise it in full and defend it in Holy Crusade against this atheistic communism)
Communism is the Anti-Christ as proclaimed by Pope Pius xii in his 1938 speech while still Cardinal.

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #2 on:** July 08, 2012, 09:25:16 AM »

Really? Russia did that? You do realize that Communism was an utter disaster to the Russian people correct?

Ascetik · « **Reply #3 on:** July 08, 2012, 02:59:04 PM »

Communism was supported by the global banking syndicate families who funded the bolshevik revolution so they could get the czars out who wanted monetary sovereignty from foreign banks. The Rockefellers and Rothschild families didn't like this so they funded coup d'etat rebellions in the name of Communism under the guise of banker run infiltration and loan sharking.

The Japanese also went to war with Russia, in 1905, and guess who funded the Japanese... That's right. The Foreign banker families Rockefeller and Rothschilds and their kin.

In a sense the Freemasonic ideal is controlling countries by enslaving them to debt and infiltrating their rulers. Russia is like the bastard child of this in the sense that the Communist revolution in Russia was basically the manifestation of the evil of the bankers and their ideals because they are the ones who instituted it. They had the czars killed to gain control of the countries monetary supply, and one day move towards a world government. Think of Christ throwing out the money-changers in the temple. The Bankers want to run everything. It is the ideal, for them to "be like" God and completely control whether you live or die, they have evil wills and the money to back it up.

Belloc · « **Reply #4 on:** August 30, 2012, 02:55:11 PM »

If we ignore that communism/NWO/zionist/bankers cabal and we buy at face value the news for a moment (the Vadalar approach)

1. USA sends technocrats to help Russian economy, promptly turning it over to Jєωsi h oligarcs
2. we talk freidnship and peace, but then encircle the Russians with bases and NATO, EU membership to former republicsn ad vassal states, like Poland
3. we back anti-russian and zionist suported rebels in the Caucuses
4. support rebels against Russian allies, like Syria.
5. treat them like some third worlders and this a blow to their pride, important in Russia, esp as the yare still rather manly.....

few more likely forgot, but that is a part of it....poking them in the eyes to provocate them, to i nturn, push us and start something, hence the "russia marches on the world, Vatican" scenario....

Sans Peur · « **Reply #5 on:** October 13, 2012, 07:33:32 AM »

Quote from: ysinclair

I will put it to you this way, what Russia has done to America and to the rest of the free world but most importantly to the Holy Catholic Church!
Communist takeover of the World
1 demoralisation of opponents and wide-spread long-term sabotage of morals, religious values and justice.
2 carefully concealed communist military strength and preparedness
3 covert communist takeover of press
4 world-wide communist propaganda promoting "peace" and "peaceful coexistence"
5 wide-spread promotion of pacifism
6 covert takeover of western economy by communist front companies to sabotage economy
7 takeover of entire governments to prevent them from hampering progress of communism
8 sabotage and destruction of enemy system of government and public life
9 communist revolutionary struggle and complete communist takeover

The outcome of this deep communist penetration of a free society is only possible to notice when the Russian led worldwide communist Revolution is about to begin - the economy is either shut down to cause the revolutionary situation to appear more as a genuine civil strife than carefully planned long-term communist strategy and takeover.

The 3rd Secret of Fatima is that the Russian communist criminals, using all state resources for this purpose - to violently install communism around the world- have realised that without the subversion of the Holy Catholic Church there is no way they would be able to subdue and enslave the world, because the know that the Church through her teaching guides people to oppose communism!
The Catholic Church is The Main Enemy of the Communists!!!

You have rather chosen to believe Moscow communist lies than the naked truth- they will take over the world and you will be subdued if you do nothing against it, but only those who remain faithful to God and His true Catholic Church, they will be helped by our Lord and our Blessed Mother and shall gain the victory for Christ the King.
The rest, they will probably be either subdued fully by the communist tyranny and will lose the Faith which they still dare to claim they have (but do not wish to practise it in full and defend it in Holy Crusade against this atheistic communism)
Communism is the Anti-Christ as proclaimed by Pope Pius xii in his 1938 speech while still Cardinal.

You do realise that Russia is no longer communist, right? Putin has reinstituted Orthodox Christianity as an almost state religion, teaching Christianity to public school kids.

The only country that is communist is the USA, and who is the American Empires greatest opponent? Thats right, Russia, the last Christian Superpower.

I have been going to Orthodox churches for the last few years, particular Russian churches. I have been considering returning to Rome for various reasons, but i do hope this anti-Russian hysteria is not common amongst Roman Catholics, because one thing i learnt in Orthodoxy is the importance of Russia theologically and geopolitically. If any country will fight against the Antichrist/NWO it would be Russia.

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #6 on:** October 13, 2012, 08:15:28 AM »

I wouldn't go that far. Russia is still having a declining birthrate problem which Putin called an emergency crisis on, but you're right Putin is not a communist, he's a Russian nationalist.

And I don't understand the anti-Russian hysteria either, a trait that is common among the neoconservatives who are very anti-Russian.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #7 on:** October 13, 2012, 08:52:23 AM »

Quote from: Traditional Guy 20

And I don't understand the anti-Russian hysteria either, a trait that is common among the neoconservatives who are very anti-Russian.

The collapse of the Soviet Union caused cognitive dissonance for birchers and others obsessed with the idea of Soviet-US conflict.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #8 on:** October 13, 2012, 09:01:19 AM »

It should be understood that opposition to Communism is a great deal different from antagonism towards Russia as a geopolitical power.

The latter remains intense, particularly among so-called neo-conservatives.

Much of the "opposition to Communism" during the Cold War was not actually opposition to Marxism or world revolution, but to the geopolitical power of the former Russian Empire.

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #9 on:** October 13, 2012, 10:27:00 AM »

Quote from: Telesphorus

It should be understood that opposition to Communism is a great deal different from antagonism towards Russia as a geopolitical power.

The latter remains intense, particularly among so-called neo-conservatives.

Much of the "opposition to Communism" during the Cold War was not actually opposition to Marxism or world revolution, but to the geopolitical power of the former Russian Empire.

Neoconservatives are mostly Jєωιѕн and come from the Trotskiyite and liberal movements. They turned against the Soviet Union and became anti-Russian after the Soviets armed the Arabs with weapons against Israel. Neoconservatives believed in not just defeating Soviet ideology but imposing their own on mankind.

And yes you're right I am a strong anti-Communist but I see the neo-cons as more of a threat than Russia.

lefebvre_fan · « **Reply #10 on:** October 13, 2012, 08:19:17 PM »

Looks like we've got a neo-con in our midst, lol.

Besides, if the Russians really hated America, why would their president sing Blueberry Hill? :wink:

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #11 on:** October 13, 2012, 10:41:45 PM »

Quote from: lefebvre_fan

Looks like we've got a neo-con in our midst, lol.

Besides, if the Russians really hated America, why would their president sing Blueberry Hill? :wink:

Neo-cons are an actual group of people. It looks like we've got a brainwashed person who listens to the media.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #12 on:** October 13, 2012, 10:45:39 PM »

I hope someone didn't get the impression I support hostility to Russian geopolitical power.

lefebvre_fan · « **Reply #13 on:** October 14, 2012, 12:50:02 PM »

Quote from: Telesphorus

I hope someone didn't get the impression I support hostility to Russian geopolitical power.

No, it's not you. It's whoever is downvoting everyone. Could be ysinclair, but I notice he's banned now. Maybe he did it before he left, I don't know.