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Offline crossbro

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We will go back to Iraq.
« on: June 13, 2014, 09:54:08 PM »
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  • I have zero against the invasion of Iraq. WMDs or not, Iraq signed a treaty and led a campaign for 10 years of breaking it. In addition to that there was the Kurd genocide.

    We will go back to Iraq now. Exxon Mobil got an exclusive deal out of the war and no amount of public outcry will prevent US boots from once again hitting the ground. I hope we throw something Iran's way this time around.

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    « Reply #1 on: June 14, 2014, 01:02:23 AM »
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  • And what about all of the lies about the WMDs, the ties to Al Qaeda, etc. that were all cherry-picked and stove-piped from the Pentagon to the neo-con and mainstream media so the American people would support a war that was more costly and disasterous than Vietnam? There was NOTHING there worth going to war over, since Iraq did not attack us, did not want war with us, etc. except for oil interests and Israel, as Sharon and Netanyahu definitely wanted us to attack Iraq. Iraq and Afghanistan are the main reason we are in debt now.

    And about Iran the intelligence report has said that Iran is not even close to making nuclear weapons. Even if they are, we let India, Israel, North Korea, Russia, etc. have nukes but Iran isn't allowed to have them? Who do we 21st-century Americans think we are? We have thousands of nuclear weapons and we're worried about a nation like Iran getting a few? With the outpouring of cash from the Jewish lobbies to get us into a war with Iran, and Netanyahu also herding Congress, his useful poodles, it is obvious a war with Iran would best-serve the Israelis and their loyal cohort of neo-cons here in America.


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    « Reply #2 on: June 14, 2014, 01:47:54 PM »
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  • Quote from: Traditional Guy 20
    And what about all of the lies about the WMDs, the ties to Al Qaeda, etc. that were all cherry-picked and stove-piped from the Pentagon to the neo-con and mainstream media so the American people would support a war that was more costly and disasterous than Vietnam? There was NOTHING there worth going to war over, since Iraq did not attack us, did not want war with us, etc. except for oil interests and Israel, as Sharon and Netanyahu definitely wanted us to attack Iraq. Iraq and Afghanistan are the main reason we are in debt now.

    And about Iran the intelligence report has said that Iran is not even close to making nuclear weapons. Even if they are, we let India, Israel, North Korea, Russia, etc. have nukes but Iran isn't allowed to have them? Who do we 21st-century Americans think we are? We have thousands of nuclear weapons and we're worried about a nation like Iran getting a few? With the outpouring of cash from the Jewish lobbies to get us into a war with Iran, and Netanyahu also herding Congress, his useful poodles, it is obvious a war with Iran would best-serve the Israelis and their loyal cohort of neo-cons here in America.


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    We will go back to Iraq.
    « Reply #3 on: June 15, 2014, 04:58:15 PM »
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  • Your yawning in the face of logic is like most Americans, who ignore any logical reasoning behind why the world hates us (i.e. we're one arrogant, imperial superpower) and instead blabs on, "They hate us because we are free, rich and good! Go USA! Let's kill some Muzzies!"

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    « Reply #4 on: June 15, 2014, 06:35:03 PM »
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  • Quote from: Traditional Guy 20
    Your yawning in the face of logic is like most Americans, who ignore any logical reasoning behind why the world hates us (i.e. we're one arrogant, imperial superpower) and instead blabs on, "They hate us because we are free, rich and good! Go USA! Let's kill some Muzzies!"


    Read the news for the past 20 years ?

    The people killing 98% of the "muzzies" is not the United States or any government power in the world.

    98% of the muzzies getting murdered are being murdered by other muzzies.

    Share your sentiments with a muzzie in Iraq and after he spits in your face and calls you a coward he will cut your head off.

    The day is coming and it will be in your lifetime when they are blowing up kids waiting for the school bus in this country.

    I did not ignore any logical reasoning. After Iraq invaded and raped Kuwait they signed a treaty that carries the force of law. They bluffed and we invaded, pure and simple. If Saddam was killing your family with cyanide poison maybe you would feel a little differently.


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    « Reply #5 on: June 16, 2014, 07:39:40 PM »
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    Read the news for the past 20 years ?


    I have and it looks like to me all the aggression and intervention over there has been solely made by one power: America.

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    The people killing 98% of the "muzzies" is not the United States or any government power in the world.

    98% of the muzzies getting murdered are being murdered by other muzzies.


    Yes exactly, Muslims kill eachother more than any others, even though they are united supposedly on the faith of Islam, yet another reason why race trumps religion. This is also the reason why I do not fear Islamic terrorism, as those people do not have enough sense to park a bicycle straight.

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    Share your sentiments with a muzzie in Iraq and after he spits in your face and calls you a coward he will cut your head off.


    You will never see me over in Iraq.

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    The day is coming and it will be in your lifetime when they are blowing up kids waiting for the school bus in this country.


    This is hyperbole, commonly made by the neo-cons. "We have to get them over there so they won't get us here!" The main reason they are coming over here is because we've been over there. We bombed Iraq and put sanctions on Iraq that killed half-a-million Iraqi children. And by the way the American Empire has been around since World War II. We let Germany, Britain, and Japan exhaust themselves so we could take over and run the world. However the best defense against making sure you don't have a Muslim blow up a school bus would have been to halt Islamic immigration after 9/11.

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    I did not ignore any logical reasoning. After Iraq invaded and raped Kuwait they signed a treaty that carries the force of law. They bluffed and we invaded, pure and simple. If Saddam was killing your family with cyanide poison maybe you would feel a little differently.


    Again more hyperbole. Compared to Osama bin Laden Saddam was a very reasonable individual. In fact Bin Laden loathed him and begged the Saudis to let him and his Islamic warriors overthrow Saddam during 1990 and to not send Americans in. And speaking of Kuwait, Kuwait had been severed from Iraq by Churchill when both were under a British mandate. And also we arrmed Bin Laden and the Taliban against the Soviets in the 1980's with U.S. weapons. So how did our ally become our greatest foe? They hate us for what we do over there in the Middle East. I am of course not saying Saddam was a good guy, but compared to Stalin, Mao, Castro, etc. Saddam was nothing over the top. We talked to these monsters of yestyear and negotiated with them but trying to not go to war against Saddam is considered bad?

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    « Reply #6 on: June 17, 2014, 03:14:45 AM »
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  • Yeah, it must be hyperbole, 9/11 never happened, the Boston bombing never happened, a soldier in England never was dragged out of his car in broad daylight and beheaded.

    None of that ever happened.


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    « Reply #7 on: June 18, 2014, 09:36:58 AM »
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    Yeah, it must be hyperbole, 9/11 never happened, the Boston bombing never happened, a soldier in England never was dragged out of his car in broad daylight and beheaded.

    None of that ever happened.



    Crossbro, I don't intend this to sound patronizing, but you are naive.  Now that can actually be holy, as in innocent, and it can be a good quality in it's proper context, but when it comes to these issues, your paradigm is fixed in the illogical.  Stop believing main stream media propaganda. You are too strong to fall for the lies.
    For starters, http://www.ae911truth.org/

    there's a lot of truth in this:
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    Your yawning in the face of logic is like most Americans, who ignore any logical reasoning behind why the world hates us (i.e. we're one arrogant, imperial superpower) and instead blabs on, "They hate us because we are free, rich and good! Go USA! Let's kill some Muzzies!"


    I came kicking and screaming to this reality.   I was such a neocon!  Pro war, pro Israel, and all that entailed.  I grew up on military bases.   6 family members were distinguished career military; i.e., army colonel w/ purple heart, naval commander, special forces shot down over Normandy, you get the picture.  I lived in a military environment most of my life and it was ex military folk who opened my eyes to the truth.  One man in particular was not ex military.  He is a navy seal and trad Catholic and altar server who sadly was on the Ronald Reagan when it was hit with the nuke cloud from Fukushima.  Thanks be to God, He permitted me to stop pridefully resisting logical arguments and evidence.

    God bless you.  Keep fighting for the faith, you are very passionate.


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    « Reply #8 on: June 18, 2014, 05:57:04 PM »
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    Yeah, it must be hyperbole, 9/11 never happened,


    9/11 happened because of our intervention over there on their turf. Osama bin Laden said we had our female soldiers, which he called our "temple prostitutes" near the Islamic holy sites of Mecca and Medina.

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    the Boston bombing never happened,


    Again a problem of immigration and the main reason that diversity is NOT our strength.

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    a soldier in England never was dragged out of his car in broad daylight and beheaded.


    England is becoming a Third World nation, just like us, because they have the same immigration policy that we do, and let in Africans and Arabs into their nation.

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    « Reply #9 on: June 18, 2014, 07:59:28 PM »
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  • If anyone still is eating the leaven of the pharisees concerning the 9/11 attack, please explain why these 5 Israel agents were posing for photos and holding cigarette lighters with the twin towers flaming in the background:

    A NATION CHALLENGED: THE DETAINEES; Dozens of Israeli Jews Are Being Kept in Federal Detention By TAMAR LEWIN with ALISON LEIGH COWAN
    Published: November 21, 2001

    "...The five aroused attention in New Jersey after people noticed them going to unusual lengths to photograph the World Trade Center ruins and making light of the situation. One photograph developed by the F.B.I. showed Sivan Kurzberg holding a lighted lighter in the foreground, with the smoldering wreckage in the background, said Steven Noah Gordon, a lawyer for the five.

    As objectionable as their behavior may be, Mr. Gordon said of their long incarceration, 'It's not a crime and they were being treated as if it was.'''

    http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/21/us/nation-challenged-detainees-dozens-israeli-jews-are-being-kept-federal-detention.html

    I would very much like to know what the other photos contained, but maybe I'm an "anti-semite."

    That should have been page 1 news the 12 Sept as it was in the Bergen, New Jersey paper.  The Times tucked it away out of sight months after the event when the flock had been properly conditioned to blame the A-rabs.  Mere facts not much of a problem by 21 Nov.

    We can save the "Jewish Lightning" issue of Larry Sliverstein collecting BILLIONS weeks after taking control of the property for another day.  His absence and the absences of his son AND daughter mere coincidence.  http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=larry_silverstein

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    « Reply #10 on: June 21, 2014, 03:53:59 PM »
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    England is becoming a Third World nation, just like us, because they have the same immigration policy that we do, and let in Africans and Arabs into their nation.


    England is the 4th wealthiest nation in the world and is getting wealthier.

    You must have England confused for another nation, argentina perhaps ?


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    « Reply #11 on: June 21, 2014, 10:30:48 PM »
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  • I see you have confused material wealth with cultural acheivement. I should have made it clear that whether England is wealthy or not (and England's real national growth was ruined in the 1840's when it embraced free trade and became susceptible to food shortages during World War I), racially England is well on its way to becoming a land of mosques and a site right out of the Dark Continent, with its influx of Arabs and Africans.

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    « Reply #12 on: June 22, 2014, 11:44:32 AM »
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  • Quote from: Traditional Guy 20
    I see you have confused material wealth with cultural acheivement. I should have made it clear that whether England is wealthy or not (and England's real national growth was ruined in the 1840's when it embraced free trade and became susceptible to food shortages during World War I), racially England is well on its way to becoming a land of mosques and a site right out of the Dark Continent, with its influx of Arabs and Africans.


    I think you are the one who is confused.

    When you refer to a country as "3rd world" that means outdoor plumbing and weak infrastructure in regards to education and health.

    You seem to view 3rd worldism from your paradigm of distasteful racism.

    You are the Archie Bunker of CI.

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    « Reply #13 on: June 22, 2014, 04:21:32 PM »
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    You are the Archie Bunker of CI.


    Yeah well if that's the case you are the epitome of the blue-blood country club Republican types who just sit around and prattle on about free trade, free markets, and lower taxes and think that is what a nation is, when in fact a nation is simple blood-and-soil nationalism, based on race and ethnicity.

    As for calling me a racist, I am not surprised, since you seem to follow the neoconservative ideology, which foreign-policy wise comes from left-wing Trotskyism.

     

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