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Re: Ukraine 737 aflame, crashes Jan. 8, 2020 early morning in Iran
« Reply #30 on: January 09, 2020, 06:12:28 PM »
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  • Newsweek

    Reports are coming out, and honestly, this just seems like a total freak accident. Made possible, yes, by the US-led escalation of regional tensions, but a total freak accident.

    That's difficult for me to buy.  How do you not recognize a passenger plane flying near the airport?  Something stinks ... like matzah balls.

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    Re: Ukraine 737 aflame, crashes Jan. 8, 2020 early morning in Iran
    « Reply #31 on: January 10, 2020, 10:50:01 PM »
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  • Now, it's highly unlikely that the Iranians would mistake a commercial plane near an airport with a U.S. incursion.

    My money is on false flag by our friendly neighborhood "ally" in the Middle East.


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    https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2020/01/11/615871/Iran-Ukraine-plane-crash

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    Iran says a Ukrainian plane which crashed outside Tehran this week had flown close to a sensitive military site and been brought down due to human error "at a time of crisis caused by US adventurism."


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    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/01/iran-admits-unintentionally-shot-ukrainian-plane-200111040653138.html

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    Iran had denied for several days that a missile downed the aircraft. But then the US and Canada, citing intelligence, said they believe Iran shot down the aircraft.

    Al Jazeera's Assed Baig, reporting from Tehran, said that authorities acknowledged that the country's air defence system "mistakenly" shot the plane down, and offered condolences to the families of the victims.


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    Re: Ukraine 737 aflame, crashes Jan. 8, 2020 early morning in Iran
    « Reply #34 on: January 12, 2020, 12:02:19 PM »
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  • PS752 Shot Down In Regime Change Attempt
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    by Ian Greenhalgh
    We now know that it was a missile fired by an Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) missile complex that brought down Ukrainian flight PS752. We also know that it was no accident, but rather, a deliberate act.
    Whether the missile was fired due to the actions of a human traitor within the IRGC or due to remote hacking into the missile’s control systems is unknown; however, the outcome is the same – nearly 200 dead civilians whose deaths can be blamed on the IRGC.
    U.S. Secret Program to Sabotage Iranian Missiles

    The New York Times reported that the Trump White House has accelerated a secret American program to sabotage Iran’s missiles and rockets, according to current and former administration officials.”
    The idea behind the shootdown appears to be to undermine the current Iranian leadership by discrediting it’s main supporter – the IRGC. The current explanations offered by the IRGC for the ‘accidental’ missile launch leave much to be desired.
    Communication jammed, Iran missile operator fired
    “Guards’ explanation comes as world demands full account following Iran’s admission it downed the jet
    The Iranian missile operator who shot down a Ukrainian passenger jet opened fire independently because of communications “jamming”, a Revolutionary Guards commander said on Saturday.
    The operator had mistaken the Boeing 737 for a “cruise missile” and only had ten seconds to decide whether or not to open fire, Brigadier General Amirali Hajizadeh, the Guards’ aerospace commander, said in televised remarks.”
    There have been some public protests against the Iranian regime recently, largely due to a populous that has suffered greatly due to the US-lead economic sanctions imposed on Iran for several years now.
    However, there is a definite Western influence attempting to stir up and amplify the anti-government protests, as revealed by this FARS report on a British Ambassador caught trying to incite an anti-goverment protest:
    Iran Summons British Ambassador over Provoking Illegal Protests
    “The Iranian Foreign Ministry summoned British Ambassador Robert Macaire after police identified and detained the envoy briefly as he was trying to turn a mourning vigil in front of the Amir Kabir University of Tehran into an anti-government protest.”
    The failure of sanctions to acheive regime change in Iran has had a side-effect that is most unpleasant  to the US – Iran has been driven into the arms of Chin as it’s saviour. Two thirds of Iranian exports now go to China, principally oil and gas, most of the rest of Iran’s exports go to Russia.
    China, as well as becoming Iran’s main trade partner, has become her protector – any move by Trump to declare war on Iran would have to take careful account of China’s reaction.
    A handout photo made available by the Iranian Army office on December 28, 2019 shows a view of the Chinese People’s Liberation Army Navy Surface Force Type 052D destroyer Xining (117), the Islamic Republic of Iran Navy frigate “ALBORZ” (72), and the Russian Navy Neustrashimyy-class frigate “Yaroslav Mudry” during joint Iran-Russia-China naval drills in the Indian Ocean and the Gulf of Oman. – Iran, China and Russia started four days of joint naval drills in the Indian Ocean and the Gulf of Oman, the commander of Iran’s flotilla announced. The exercise comes at a time of heightened tensions since the United States withdrew from a landmark 2015 nuclear deal with Iran in May 2018.
    Joint naval drill with Russia, China shows Iran is not isolated
    “The joint maneuvers with China and Russia can be considered as one of the greatest achievements of Iran’s defense diplomacy, sending messages to the West amid US efforts to woo countries into a maritime coalition for patrols in the Persian Gulf.”
    Iran is a key partner in China’s One Belt, One Road framework as China aims to recreate the Silk Road as a trans-Asian trading network; already, China is building high speed rail lines in Iran that will become the Western end of the rail portion of the New Silk Road.
    Iran’s neighbour Iraq has also been building ever closer ties to China, especially in trade and finance, to the extent that both Iran and Iraq are rapidly becoming Chinese client states. Iraq has started exporting 100,000 barrels per day (bpd) of crude oil to China as part of the 20-year oil-for-infrastructure deal.
    China is to build factories in both Iran and Iraq as part of a vast programme of investments by Chinese companies.
    The notion of two Chinese client states dominating the Middle East must induce more than a few headaches in Washington, Tel-Aviv and Riyadh; therefore the push for regime change in those two states is increasing and the murders of Gen. Soleimani and a planeload of civilians are both part of that push.
    China will no doubt react to this regime change agenda, how they do so remains to be seen.
    China might take Iran’s side in a war with US
    “Beijing’s ties with Tehran are crucial to its energy and geopolitical strategies, and with Moscow also in the mix, a broader conflagration is a real possibility.
    Currently, China’s reaction is to urge both Iran and the US to maintain calm and de-escalate tensions, and closely monitor the situation. Beijing does not want war and needs Mideast stability to pursue the Belt and Road Initiative Eurasian integration plan. It has large stakes in Iran’s stability: It is the largest buyer of Iranian oil, China is Iran’s largest trading partner, and Iran is a key geographic node for the BRI.”

    Biography


    Ian Greenhalgh is a photographer and historian with a particular interest in military history and the real causes of conflicts.

    His studies in history and background in the media industry have given him a keen insight into the use of mass media as a creator of conflict in the modern world.

    His favored areas of study include state sponsored terrorism, media manufactured reality and the role of intelligence services in manipulation of populations and the perception of events.
    iangreenhalgh1@sky.com

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    Re: Ukraine 737 aflame, crashes Jan. 8, 2020 early morning in Iran
    « Reply #35 on: January 12, 2020, 01:27:06 PM »
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  • Then there's this:

    Ukrainian 752 Shoot-Down Mirrors Fate of TWA 800

    However, this is the first I've heard any allegation that TWA 800 was shot down as opposed to a wiring explosion in the fuel tanks.  And that happened in 1996.

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    Re: Ukraine 737 aflame, crashes Jan. 8, 2020 early morning in Iran
    « Reply #36 on: January 12, 2020, 03:52:10 PM »
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  • I lean more towards that it was an accident and mistake, but an incredibly damning one. People in Iran are pissed at their country right now, and rightly so.
    For Lent, my resolution is to not be on this site, period. We could all do with more of the Sacraments and less screen time.

    God bless you all, and have a fruitful and blessed Lent!

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    Re: Ukraine 737 aflame, crashes Jan. 8, 2020 early morning in Iran
    « Reply #37 on: January 20, 2020, 06:03:32 PM »
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  • False Flag? Fmr CIA Officer Suggests US Hacked Ukrainian Plane Transponder To Provoke Iran Shootdown
    January 19, 2020 in News by RBN Staff



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    source: www.zerohedge.com
     
    by Tyler Durden
    Philip Giraldi, a former counter-terrorism specialist and military intelligence officer of the CIA, penned a piece in the American Herald Tribune speculating that the U.S. launched several cyber-attacks, one on an Iranian missile defense system, and another on the transponder of the doomed Ukrainian plane.
    Giraldi explains the Iranian missile operator experienced extreme “jamming” and Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752’s transponder was switched off several minutes before the two Russian made Tor missiles were launched.
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    “The shutdown of the transponder, which would have automatically signaled to the operator and Tor electronics that the plane was civilian, instead automatically indicated that it was hostile. The operator, having been particularly briefed on the possibility of incoming American cruise missiles, then fired,” he said.
     
     Giraldi said the Tor missile system used by Iran is vulnerable to being hacked or “spoofed,” and at the same moment, Flight 752’s transponder was taken offline “to create an aviation accident that would be attributed to the Iranian government.”
    The Pentagon has reportedly developed technologies that can trick enemy radars with false and deceptively moving targets, he said.
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    “The same technology can, of course, be used to alter or even mask the transponder on a civilian airliner in such a fashion as to send false information about identity and location. The United States has the cyber and electronic warfare capability to both jam and alter signals relating to both airliner transponders and to the Iranian air defenses. Israel presumably has the same ability,” Giraldi said.
    Iran made the claim Wednesday that “enemy sabotage” cannot be ruled out in the downing of the plane. 
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