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Offline klasG4e

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Two Views of Iran
« on: January 08, 2020, 04:43:34 AM »
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    Re: Two Views of Iran
    « Reply #1 on: January 08, 2020, 09:25:14 AM »
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  • Quick point that needs to be made:

    There are two Irans. The secular "women used to wear miniskirts" Iran BEFORE the "Islamic Revolution" of 1979 and the one after it.

    The USA was wrong back then to intervene in Iranian affairs and set things in motion which are still felt today. But the Iran of today is Fundamentalist Muslim, and has therefore become a mortal enemy to the West. What do you think they mean when they chant "Death to America!"?

    Hey, that's MY country. My ONLY country. I don't want death to my country! I have no other country to go "back to". I have children who were also born in America. I want what is good for my country. I don't hate my country just because the Deep State held it for years, or because it was founded by Freemasons. I'm not going to sympathize with a bunch of pagan Muslims just because they "have a small point" that there are fundamental problems in America. It's still all I have. Love of one's country is part of the Fourth Commandment.

    Nor will I overlook their evils just because they are the timeless enemy of the Jєωs.

    Remember, Islam is a plague that ruins ANY country it takes over -- whether that country is Britain, France -- or Iran. The devil is the *lousiest* of masters. Just those are blessed who have Christ for their King, they are miserable and wretched who serve the devil.

    I guess a question for debate is: which is better, a completely SECULAR country, with no religion in public life at all, that pushes "separation of Church and State", or a fervent, fundamentalist Muslim country? I'd vote for the first option every day of the week. I disagree with Pope Francis that "Muslims worship the same God". To me, the Muslims are EVERY BIT AS FAR from God as the atheists and agnostics.




    The 1953 Iranian coup d'état, known in Iran as the 28 Mordad coup d'état (Persian: کودتای ۲۸ مرداد‎), was the overthrow of the democratically elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh in favour of strengthening the monarchical rule of Mohammad Reza Pahlavi on 19 August 1953,[5] orchestrated by the United States (under the name TPAJAX Project],_the_implication_being_that_the_operation_would_scour_Iran_of_communist_influence%22-7][6] or "Operation Ajax") and the United Kingdom (under the name "Operation Boot").[7][8][9][10] It was the first covert action of the United States to overthrow a foreign government during peacetime.[11]
    Mosaddegh had sought to audit the docuмents of the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (AIOC), a British corporation (now part of BP) and to limit the company's control over Iranian oil reserves.[12] Upon the refusal of the AIOC to co-operate with the Iranian government, the parliament (Majlis) voted to nationalize Iran's oil industry and to expel foreign corporate representatives from the country.[13][14][15] After this vote, Britain instigated a worldwide boycott of Iranian oil to pressure Iran economically.[16] Initially, Britain mobilized its military to seize control of the British-built Abadan oil refinery, then the world's largest, but Prime Minister Clement Attlee opted instead to tighten the economic boycott[17] while using Iranian agents to undermine Mosaddegh's government.[18]:3 Judging Mosaddegh to be unreliable and fearing a Communist takeover in Iran, UK prime minister Winston Churchill and the Eisenhower administration decided to overthrow Iran's government, though the preceding Truman administration had opposed a coup, fearing the precedent that Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) involvement would set.[18]:3 British intelligence officials' conclusions and the UK government's solicitations were instrumental in initiating and planning the coup, despite the fact that the U.S. government in 1952 had been considering unilateral action (without UK support) to assist the Mosaddegh government.[19][20][21]
    Following the coup in 1953, a government under General Fazlollah Zahedi was formed which allowed Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, the last Shah of Iran (Persian for an Iranian king),[22] to rule more firmly as monarch. He relied heavily on United States support to hold on to power.[13][14][15][23] According to the CIA's declassified docuмents and records, some of the most feared mobsters in Tehran were hired by the CIA to stage pro-Shah riots on 19 August.[24] Other CIA-paid men were brought into Tehran in buses and trucks, and took over the streets of the city.[25] Between 200[3] and 300[4] people were killed because of the conflict. Mosaddegh was arrested, tried and convicted of treason by the Shah's military court. On 21 December 1953, he was sentenced to three years in jail, then placed under house arrest for the remainder of his life.[26][27][28] Other Mosaddegh supporters were imprisoned, and several received the death penalty.[15] After the coup, the Shah continued his rule as monarch for the next 26 years[14][15] until he was overthrown in the Iranian Revolution in 1979.[14][15][18]
    In August 2013, sixty years afterward, the U.S. government formally acknowledged the U.S. role in the coup by releasing a bulk of previously classified government docuмents that show it was in charge of both the planning and the execution of the coup, including the bribing of Iranian politicians, security and army high-ranking officials, as well as pro-coup propaganda.[29][30][31] The CIA is quoted acknowledging the coup was carried out "under CIA direction" and "as an act of U.S. foreign policy, conceived and approved at the highest levels of government".[32]
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    Re: Two Views of Iran
    « Reply #2 on: January 08, 2020, 09:35:01 AM »
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  • Muslims did this.

    This is what they think of God's Mercy.

    May God's Justice be done unto them!
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    Re: Two Views of Iran
    « Reply #3 on: January 08, 2020, 09:45:02 AM »
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  • You're getting confused about the issues.  Nobody is going to fight Islam.  Not even Israel wants that.  So any notion of a crusade is dead from the get-go.  So what are the issues?  What are the interests of the USA in the Middle East?  Basically it is geo-politics.  From the perspective of the average American, it is total BS.  Read Pat Buchanan's articles.  He has a good well-informed perspective on it and nobody loves this country more than he does.  And he correctly predicts that if we go to war with Iran, Trump is putting his re-election bid in jeopardy.  Instead of trying to rally support for a non-existent crusade against Islam, you should be warning Trump to stay out of that fight.

    Pat Buchanan's website: https://buchanan.org/blog/

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    Re: Two Views of Iran
    « Reply #4 on: January 08, 2020, 09:46:12 AM »
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  • Muslims did this.

    This is what they think of God's Mercy.

    May God's Justice be done unto them!

    And "Christians" did this recently in Chile...





    Ok, so they really aren't "Christians" but instead Godless Marxists/ANTIFA.  Point being, even in Catholic countries, Christianity is being attacked.  


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    Re: Two Views of Iran
    « Reply #5 on: January 08, 2020, 09:53:29 AM »
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    Ok, so they really aren't "Christians" but instead Godless Marxists/ANTIFA.  Point being, even in Catholic countries, Christianity is being attacked.  

    I was going to assume they were Heretic Prots, but they aren't even that!

    So what IS your point exactly?  That two wrongs make a right? A sin/crime isn't a sin/crime if you can demonstrate that someone else has committed it as well?

    Help me out here.

    Antifa and satanic Communism need to be wiped out every bit as much as Islam. So your point is?
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    Re: Two Views of Iran
    « Reply #6 on: January 08, 2020, 10:26:51 AM »
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  • So your point is?

    My point is, and speaking as a Catholic, not merely an American, how are we (Catholics) supposed to go up against Islam when we can not even control our own?

    In other words, get one's own 'house' in order before anything else.  

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    Re: Two Views of Iran
    « Reply #7 on: January 08, 2020, 10:36:05 AM »
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  • Muslims did this.

    This is what they think of God's Mercy.

    May God's Justice be done unto them!

    Presumably a Muslim (singular) did that.  Muslims hold a real reverence for the BVM, albeit only as the holy mother of a great prophet who was not God.  10 to 1 most Muslims would strongly condemn the desecration/destruction seen here.


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    Re: Two Views of Iran
    « Reply #8 on: January 08, 2020, 11:06:30 AM »
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  • Would the Muslim countries still see America as a mortal enemy (rather than just hopelessly liberal and immoral), if America was not propping up the ethnically cleansed state of Israel, and used as the latters’ strongman to wipe out all Israel’s neighbors?
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Two Views of Iran
    « Reply #9 on: January 08, 2020, 11:12:24 AM »
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  • Would the Muslim countries still see America as a mortal enemy (rather than just hopelessly liberal and immoral), if America was not propping up the ethnically cleansed state of Israel, and used as the latters’ strongman to wipe out all Israel’s neighbors?

    I believe that there are two major reasons they view us as an enemy:

    1) our constant presence and meddling in their region of the world
    2) our alliance with and funding of Israel ... which has been brutalizing Muslims since its founding (they know that Israel controls / owns the U.S.)

    And #1 is most likely a consequence of #2.

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    Re: Two Views of Iran
    « Reply #10 on: January 08, 2020, 11:28:56 AM »
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  •  Love of one's country is part of the Fourth Commandment.

    However, jingoism is not part of the Fourth Commandment, but rather a mockery of it.